POLL: So the 5ds is ~$4k ... will you dump your old 5d3 or 1dx?

How will you react to the 5ds/r release?

  • ... I'll dump my old 1dx

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privatebydesign

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Hazmatt said:
privatebydesign said:
Then you don't understand why Canon made the cameras or who they made them for.

Over 26% of respondents say they are going to buy one, that is a crazy good uptake rate for such a specialised tool.

The 5DS/R are not meant to be 5D MkIII or 1DX replacements, they are meant to be complimentary niche products for those comparatively few shooters that need the specific feature set the new cameras give.
Well thats quite surprising and i do understand who they made it for and was hoping that would include me but it does not for the reason i stated. There is better out there for my needs and the next iterations of the competition will leave Canon even further behind. This is a real shame i do not understand what they are playing at its even worse as the glass they are producing is amazing. i have enough gear to take photos with so i will probably just sit this one out but if money was no object I'm sorry to say i would have to take the leap. I will say though that everything i have owned from Canon has worked flawlessly and cameras have been handed on in the family and they all still work.
Changing brand is not expensive as the return price on used Canon gear is remarkably high and if you don't need the unique lenses and radio flash of the Canon system then there are other brands that offer more appeal in some areas. But to suggest Canon 'are behind' is farcical, they are the best selling camera maker out there, and have been for many years, so your "even further behind" is absolute garbage.
 

Marsu42

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Hazmatt said:
Over 26% of respondents say they are going to buy one, that is a crazy good uptake rate for such a specialised tool.
My guess is that this number will drop dramatically once more in-depth reviews with the actual camera hardware are out and people realize just how specialized 50mp is concerning pixel-level sharpness and casual keeper rate.

And with the 5d4 on the horizon, the 5ds might just be a temporary hype quickly forgotten about the next shiny marvel of technology that will *really* enable you to take those great pictures :->
 

tron

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Marsu42 said:
Hazmatt said:
Over 26% of respondents say they are going to buy one, that is a crazy good uptake rate for such a specialised tool.
My guess is that this number will drop dramatically once more in-depth reviews with the actual camera hardware are out and people realize just how specialized 50mp is concerning pixel-level sharpness and casual keeper rate.

And with the 5d4 on the horizon, the 5ds might just be a temporary hype quickly forgotten about the next shiny marvel of technology that will *really* enable you to take those great pictures :->
+1000 That summarizes best the way people think ;)
 

Mr Bean

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Sep 15, 2012
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privatebydesign said:
The 5DS/R are not meant to be 5D MkIII or 1DX replacements, they are meant to be complimentary niche products for those comparatively few shooters that need the specific feature set the new cameras give.
Yep.

I love my 5D3 and I would like to see how the new camera performs for landscape/macro, which is where my interests are. Wildlife and birding are other areas I like to explore, and the 7D2 would be suitable for that. In the end, for me at least, it's about buying the right tools for the role. It maybe that in the next 12 months I end up with the new 5D and the 7D2 to compliment the 5D3 I have. In many respects, the way current technology is moving, I don't see a "one body fits all" situation. You want high MP, you will get slow FPS/data transfer rates. You want high FPS/data transfer rates, you get less MP.
 

Greatland

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WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD I DUMP MY 1DX?? This camera is certainly NOT a replacement for it, unless of course I missed the fact that it shoots at least 12 fps!
 

meson1

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I'm sticking with my 5DIII. I only just bought the thing back in August for a start. I've been wanting a 5DIII for years so I'm not about to ditch it just yet. It's easily good enough and flexible enough to do everything I want right now.

Also, those new cameras are hellishly expensive (as new Canons always are). I might possibly be interested in the 5DIV when it finally comes out. But even when it does, I'll be waiting for at least a year for the price to drop. And that's assuming that whatever body I might potentially upgrade to actually provides some tangible benefits over the already excellent 5DIII and that it's enough to make it worth the move.

But for now. No. Sticking with the III.
 
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Quote by Ermintrude: Changing brand is not expensive as the return price on used Canon gear is remarkably high and if you don't need the unique lenses and radio flash of the Canon system then there are other brands that offer more appeal in some areas. But to suggest Canon 'are behind' is farcical, they are the best selling camera maker out there, and have been for many years, so your "even further behind" is absolute garbage.

I'm referring to my requirements and in that respect Canon is not going to meet my needs, the thread was about the 5DS, the Dynamic range of which at low iso if its as reported is not as great as some other bodies out there.
 

privatebydesign

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Hazmatt said:
Quote by Ermintrude: Changing brand is not expensive as the return price on used Canon gear is remarkably high and if you don't need the unique lenses and radio flash of the Canon system then there are other brands that offer more appeal in some areas. But to suggest Canon 'are behind' is farcical, they are the best selling camera maker out there, and have been for many years, so your "even further behind" is absolute garbage.

I'm referring to my requirements and in that respect Canon is not going to meet my needs, the thread was about the 5DS, the Dynamic range of which at low iso if its as reported is not as great as some other bodies out there.
I am referring to your comment
Hazmatt said:
if money was no object I'm sorry to say i would have to take the leap.
which is no more about the 5DS/R than a plate of cheese. It is about your financial misinterpretation of the cost of changing systems.

If Canon don't meet your needs then fine, change brand, don't shed your crocodile tears bemoaning your erroneous idea that you are confined to Canon because of cost, which is what you were doing.

Camera systems are tools, get the tools to do the job you need, simple.
 

candc

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The 50mpx sensor could give some real benefits. it should have the capability of giving really good binned/downsampled raw files. I am also interested to see how it performs in the crop modes. Does the frame rate go up? If so then it would be like a ff camera with a 7dii mode. I think it has great potential but we will have to wait and see.
 

privatebydesign

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candc said:
The 50mpx sensor could give some real benefits. it should have the capability of giving really good binned/downsampled raw files. I am also interested to see how it performs in the crop modes. Does the frame rate go up? If so then it would be like a ff camera with a 7dii mode. I think it has great potential but we will have to wait and see.
The frame rate does not change in crop mode. The only point to it is smaller file sizes and the marketing team saying it has it.
 

candc

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privatebydesign said:
candc said:
The 50mpx sensor could give some real benefits. it should have the capability of giving really good binned/downsampled raw files. I am also interested to see how it performs in the crop modes. Does the frame rate go up? If so then it would be like a ff camera with a 7dii mode. I think it has great potential but we will have to wait and see.
The frame rate does not change in crop mode. The only point to it is smaller file sizes and the marketing team saying it has it.
Well that sucks. canon has said they want to make the bodies for specific purposes. Can't just have a camera that does it all. Reckon who that works out best for?
 

hajiaru

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I can get 90 megapixels photos with my 5d mark3 with Enhance Superresolution method in Adobe Photoshop without spending a dime on new equipment Up to 4x Spatial Resolution Increase 8)
 

scyrene

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I genuinely think I will upgrade - I can get a fair amount trading in my 5D3 towards the price. For my purposes, the 5Ds seems to offer the best next step. I'm happy with the framerate* and autofocus of my current camera (and these seem about the same in the new models), but I want to be able to crop more - I can't get much more focal length, so more resolution seems the only way to go. I don't want the 5Dsr as feathers can cause a lot of moire.

*I usually shoot in 'silent' mode, so I'm not even using the 5D3's maximum capabilities.
 

steven kessel

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Oct 23, 2012
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I'm in love with my 5Diiis but I'm planning at this juncture to supplement them with a 5Ds-R. About 60% of my photography is closeups of insects and small animals, 20% is other wildlife including birds in flight, and the remaining 20% is landscape photography. The 5Ds-R looks to be ideal for closeup and landscape photography and I will dedicate the body for that purpose. The 5Diiis will remain my go-to cameras for general wildlife photography and for anything else that might capture my fancy.

All of this is subject to some real product reviews. So far, no one's gotten his/her hands on one of these for a thorough writeup. We'll see if the product lives up to its billing.
 

privatebydesign

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hajiaru said:
I can get 90 megapixels photos with my 5d mark3 with Enhance Superresolution method in Adobe Photoshop without spending a dime on new equipment Up to 4x Spatial Resolution Increase 8)
No, you don't get 4x spatial resolution with the super-resolution technique, nothing like it, and it has the same issues that HDR and any other multiple exposure technique have, if stuff is moving in the scene you are screwed.

This technique has been used for years in a slightly more simple method to very effectively reduce noise in night photography, and has been used for decades in very complicated techniques for astrophotography.
 

hajiaru

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privatebydesign said:
hajiaru said:
I can get 90 megapixels photos with my 5d mark3 with Enhance Superresolution method in Adobe Photoshop without spending a dime on new equipment Up to 4x Spatial Resolution Increase 8)
No, you don't get 4x spatial resolution with the super-resolution technique, nothing like it, and it has the same issues that HDR and any other multiple exposure technique have, if stuff is moving in the scene you are screwed.

This technique has been used for years in a slightly more simple method to very effectively reduce noise in night photography, and has been used for decades in very complicated techniques for astrophotography.
http://photoncollective.com/enhance-practical-superresolution-in-adobe-photoshop

 

privatebydesign

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hajiaru said:
privatebydesign said:
hajiaru said:
I can get 90 megapixels photos with my 5d mark3 with Enhance Superresolution method in Adobe Photoshop without spending a dime on new equipment Up to 4x Spatial Resolution Increase 8)
No, you don't get 4x spatial resolution with the super-resolution technique, nothing like it, and it has the same issues that HDR and any other multiple exposure technique have, if stuff is moving in the scene you are screwed.

This technique has been used for years in a slightly more simple method to very effectively reduce noise in night photography, and has been used for decades in very complicated techniques for astrophotography.
http://photoncollective.com/enhance-practical-superresolution-in-adobe-photoshop

Yes and reading a link like that illustrates the near certain fact that you don't actually do it, or, if you do, that you don't analyze the actual output.

But I'd love you to post some of your own images that illustrate the 4X spatial resolution you are getting.
 

Marsu42

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privatebydesign said:
Yes and reading a link like that illustrates the near certain fact that you don't actually do it, or, if you do, that you don't analyze the actual output.
Interesting, I didn't know this technique. I don't understand why you state that him reading means he doesn't do it? The article is rather conservative on what to expect concerning detail and mentions noise reduction (Canon Rebel multishot, here we come) and moiré elimination.

Now I don’t want to get your hopes too high: the difference in perceived resolution between a 24 megapixel image and a 94 megapixel image is actually less drastic than you might think. Even though it’s nearly four times as large, the increase in resolution will only be apparent in the areas of the image with the finest detail. As a result, the technique here only shows tangible returns on very highly detailed scenes. This is a pixel peeper’s method. The benefits are very real, but the results might be less drastic than numbers would initially indicate.
... and my favorite line ...

But let’s make a huge image just because we can
Btw - is there a ready-made photoshop action for this rather than doing it all manually?
 

privatebydesign

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I don't know if there is a ready made action but it wouldn't take much to make one.

What got me was the entirely arbitrary claim of 94MP, where does that number come from? Because in the link he used 20 images, 20 x 24MP is 480MP, which is also entirely bogus, what the technique is actually doing is reducing noise. What additional detail is visible is so because there is less noise, there is no more spatial resolution. Look at these four crops, which is the "higher resolution" image? The jaggies ones are!

If you want more pixels from your current camera then use a longer lens and stitch, that is it. If you want less noise then this averaging technique works well.
 

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Marsu42

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privatebydesign said:
What additional detail is visible is so because there is less noise, there is no more spatial resolution.
I'm nowhere near promoting this technique, but imho in theory upscaling *can* result in more res on select images.

OnOne has pioneered this with their "genuine fractals" PS plugin, which was the most stupid name ever because no one understood what it did. Afaik it's part of their plugin suite now. The idea - to my understanding - is smart extrapolating, i.e. not straight lines but more "natural" patterns, too. When I tried it it worked, and while I'm not a big fan of too much image cooking beats any other upscaling method.

So even if this super-resolution doesn't get you terrapixel shots, it's probably nice to have as an additional method in the tool bag if a shot doesn't have enough metapixies. At least, it seems it cannot make the image worse :->