Poll: What Do You Think About the EOS Canon 6D Mark II?

[scyrene]

Why not "exit level" then? What's the difference?

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Khalai]

Why not "exit level" then? What's the difference?

What on earth are you talking about?

Exit level FF > Next level is MF?

 

[ecka]

Why not "exit level" then? What's the difference?

What on earth are you talking about?

Exit level FF > Next level is MF?

Makes sense

 

[mashuto]

High iso isn't really something I actually care too much about with the exception of how well the camera handles noise (same when pushing shadows) and I know canon has been lagging behind Sony sensors.

Just worth noting - while Canon's *low ISO* DR (specifically shadow recovery) has historically lagged a little way behind Sony's, at high ISOs there was never any real difference between the two, especially in raw images (usual caveats apply).

Yea, thats a good point. So again, sorry if I wasnt super clear. High ISO performance is significantly less of a concern of mine. I am much more interested in low ISO dynamic range and noise performance (via shadow recovery) and at this point would hope it would be a match for their best sensors out, just like the original 6D was at the time. And if it falls behind the 5d4, I would be a bit disappointed because it leaves me questioning just how much of an improvement it will actually be over the original 6D.

It is just my one personal sticking point with my preorder. Everything else sounds great, but the preorder was under that impression that dr would be similar (or better) to the 5D4, just as the original 6D was compared to the 5D3. And it is the one unknown right now that is making me slightly hesitant.

 

[dak723]

Sony has all the technology available to do this now, and has demonstrated that they will push the limits on what they offer. The A7s III only needs on sensor phase detect and a swivel touchscreen to be irresistible. An improvement in rolling shutter would be nice too.
The FS5 only needs IBIS, sensor phase detect and touch screen. A little low light improvement would be nice, but I suspect that these things will come to the A7s III and FS5 II in less than a year. If so, I'll have to go with those. (They are already very tempting cameras, this would just make the decision extremely easy)

Unfortunately, in my experience, what all the A7 models need is a larger flange distance. If you are using an adapter, then no problem. Apparently, realizing the problem, many of the higher end Sony lenses try and compensate with larger lenses (with more distance at the mount end). But this basic flaw makes me wonder how else Sony screwed up when going to full frame. And the ergonomics are awful - pretty much everyone agrees. If those things aren't an issue for you, then by all means you should get the camera you want.

 

[ecka]

Hearing/seeing the phrase - "entry level" - makes me face palm every time. I'm not entering anything when buying cheaper products. Honestly, it sounds like a "gradual robbery", which makes you suffer till it's over. I expect to get an adequate tool for my money, not the "snake oil". I don't care what you don't care about. I care to get a modern camera with sufficient features and qualities for the next 5 years and APS-C is not an option.
If an image doesn't deserve high quality, then, most likely, it's not worth shooting at all.

What phrase would you prefer? 'Bottom of the line' full frame camera? How about 'low-end' full frame camera? Maybe 'cheapest' full frame camera?

Probably you should buy the 1D X II, D5, or a9, so you can enter the world of full frame cameras at the top. At least until the successor is released. Then, instead of gradual robbery up the line, you can slowly (or quickly, with Sony) experience your inexorable slide into a has-been camera.

Or you could just ignore the terminology, but the camera that meets your needs, and go take pictures. At least, that's worked well for me.

Why not "exit level" then? What's the difference?
"FF scam edition" sounds reasonable.
What makes you think that I can't shoot pictures without your permission? . 6D2 doesn't feel like a $2000 camera of 2017. More like $1700 camera of 2016, which should be $1500 by now .

Well, what's the problem then? You don't like the price - then don't buy it or wait for the price to fall down to a level you'll find acceptable.

If you are lazy to switch systems (as you stated yourself), then tough luck - you either overcome your laziness and switch systems (if you feel that necessary) or just get used to it.

I don't like some things about 6D Mark II either, price si rather higher (in my country, not MSRP) than original 6D, when I bought it 3 years ago, I'd welcome 2nd slot, USB-C interface and other small things. But hey, I either shell out around 2200 € or just simply don't buy if I feel that 6D Mark II is not worth of my money and effort.

Vote with your wallet, simple...

I know that ... I'm waiting , no worries.
In my area 6D2 price is stupid high 2800€ and 2100€ on Amazon.de, which is around $2400, crazy.
I paid 1500 for my 6D, 5 years ago, after I've sold my 5D2 for those same 1500 . Now, 5D3 costs near as much as 6D2 or even less. But the real dilemma is with used 5DsR available for 2000-2500.

 

[Khalai]

I know that ... I'm waiting , no worries.
In my area 6D2 price is stupid high 2800€ and 2100€ on Amazon.de, which is around $2400, crazy.
I paid 1500 for my 6D, 5 years ago, after I've sold my 5D2 for those same 1500 . Now, 5D3 costs near as much as 6D2 or even less. But the real dilemma is with used 5DsR available for 2000-2500.

I feel the pain. Czech Republic - price is 2150 € incl. VAT. I bought my original 6D for around 1700 €. So even if the MSRP is 99 USD less, inflation, currency exchange rates and VAT mess it up anyway.

I'm patiently waiting on the reviews. If the 6D2 sensor is not THAT much different from the 6D, I think I might just wait it out until the price drops or get some second hand one in mint condition with some remaining warranty for a better price. Until then, my 6D suits me just fine, even with that crude AF system

 

[Talys]

Hearing/seeing the phrase - "entry level" - makes me face palm every time. I'm not entering anything when buying cheaper products. Honestly, it sounds like a "gradual robbery", which makes you suffer till it's over. I expect to get an adequate tool for my money, not the "snake oil". I don't care what you don't care about. I care to get a modern camera with sufficient features and qualities for the next 5 years and APS-C is not an option.
If an image doesn't deserve high quality, then, most likely, it's not worth shooting at all.

The problem is that I ALSO don't really care about what you don't care about -- and I do care about price. If there's a cheaper model that has enough (or all) of the features that *I* care about, that's the one I'll probably buy. Why should I pay more?

What most people who say, "I don't like so many models" are actually saying is: "This vendor doesn't have a lower-priced model with the features I want, and if they got rid of the lower-priced models, the higher-end one would come down in price". But that's just not going to happen. If you're advocating that they start FF cameras at 5D4, then you should just ignore the 6D2 entirely, and buy a 5D4, or complain, "5D4 is too expensive". But that's not going to get you very far, unless the sales of $3,300 pro cameras significantly drop.

It's only "gradual robbery" if you keep climbing the ladder because what you REALLY want is a full pro model but keep settling for something less thinking it would do. If you know this to be the case, you should not buy a lower end model. It isn't "gradual robbery" at all, if you buy the 6D2 and you're happy with it for the next 3 years or so, until the 6D3 comes out. If you just read through this thread, you'll see all sorts of people who remain perfectly happy with 6D mark 1 -- they weren't robbed, right?

By the way, I do agree that it's not worthwhile buying a camera that doesn't shoot a good image. The problem is that we have different standards for what constitutes acceptable or excellent, and price is an important consideration for most buyers. Like most things in life, it's about compromises

Exactly. I have no idea why you prefer to pay more. Crop kit lenses are good value. But most of the "next level" crop optics are overpriced. Even using EF lenses on APS-C is wasting 60% of the unused glass.
There are options other than Canon. The problem is that people are lazy. I am too lazy for switching systems each time someone makes a better offer. And I do like many things Canon does well. I just hate it when they dumb it down for no reason. Look what MagicLantern does with 5 year old Canons ... It makes the new ones seem dated. It took 5 years to release the 6D2. Why do you expect the 6D3 coming sooner?
I'm not fully happy with 5D series either. This CF+SD combo is BS. No flip-out screen politics is stupid. No peaking, etc. ...

You misunderstand me. I prefer to pay less -- and the 6D2's price point is about right for me ($2k USD). I like articulating screen, and don't plan on going out into -20C weather or slogging in the rain. I have double-digit minutes of DSLR video since my very first DSLR capable of video, so 4k is meh. I'm ok with 1SD slot; sure 2 would be better. I prefer 5D4 AF, but I can live with 6D2's. So since it's a great compromise for me -- the perfect camera doesn't exist -- I'm going to buy one.

Unlike you, I don't choose to shoot Canon because I'm too lazy to switch systems. I switched from Canon to Minolta (my first AF camera! ) to Nikon in flim days, started DSLR with Olympus and switched to Canon starting with T2i era. I've had plenty of opportunity to switch since, have borrowed many cameras, and have tried a lot of bodies and lenses not because I'm unhappy with Canon, but because I like to play with gadgets.

At the end of the day, I just like the Canon system better, and mostly for the things that don't make it onto top line spec sheets. I like the way the camera feels and shoots and the menus and controls most of all, I like the feel of the premium lenses, RT Flash system and controller, and cheap third party accessories. I will happily concede that I could probably get better IQ out of another device, but IQ isn't everything -- having fun taking the shot is worth a lot to me, and at the end of the day, a lot of the photos are pretty close to the eye on all the higher end DSLRs and lenses anyhow -- or in some cases, better in situation A but worse in situation B.

I agree that the budget APSC lenses are the stellar deal; a lot of times, they're more than good enough, and cost a fraction of pro lens. But hey, that's how it goes with everything. Going high-end means diminishing returns with each dollar, not just because of parts costs, but because the market becomes smaller. It's kind of a fact of life, and I'm fine with that -- not like I could do anything about it if I weren't

 

[Sporgon]

I like easy decisions, like when the Canon 5D Mark II came out. The 5D2 was a one of a kind ... a great stills camera that could also shoot good cinematic 1080p (not without it's problems). Even the 5D3 was not a hard decision - decent AF, and eliminated the moire and aliasing in video of the 5D2.
But the 5D4 and 6D2 are not easy decisions. They offer some improvements, but they also take away things.

Great Scott man ! DR ! DR for heaven's sake. Where have you been for the last five years ?

 

[mashuto]

I like easy decisions, like when the Canon 5D Mark II came out. The 5D2 was a one of a kind ... a great stills camera that could also shoot good cinematic 1080p (not without it's problems). Even the 5D3 was not a hard decision - decent AF, and eliminated the moire and aliasing in video of the 5D2.
But the 5D4 and 6D2 are not easy decisions. They offer some improvements, but they also take away things.

Great Scott man ! DR ! DR for heaven's sake. Where have you been for the last five years ?

We have no idea how much of an improvement the 6D2 will be for DR over the 6D. Actually, my one big concern about my preorder... Hopefully it will be close to or match (or even slightly beat) the 5D4, but if its just not that much of an improvement, I may be cancelling that preorder and considering whether I need to upgrade or whether I can swing the extra money for the 5D4 even though it has a lot of features I dont need and will never use.

 

[ecka]

Hearing/seeing the phrase - "entry level" - makes me face palm every time. I'm not entering anything when buying cheaper products. Honestly, it sounds like a "gradual robbery", which makes you suffer till it's over. I expect to get an adequate tool for my money, not the "snake oil". I don't care what you don't care about. I care to get a modern camera with sufficient features and qualities for the next 5 years and APS-C is not an option.
If an image doesn't deserve high quality, then, most likely, it's not worth shooting at all.

The problem is that I ALSO don't really care about what you don't care about -- and I do care about price. If there's a cheaper model that has enough (or all) of the features that *I* care about, that's the one I'll probably buy. Why should I pay more?

What most people who say, "I don't like so many models" are actually saying is: "This vendor doesn't have a lower-priced model with the features I want, and if they got rid of the lower-priced models, the higher-end one would come down in price". But that's just not going to happen. If you're advocating that they start FF cameras at 5D4, then you should just ignore the 6D2 entirely, and buy a 5D4, or complain, "5D4 is too expensive". But that's not going to get you very far, unless the sales of $3,300 pro cameras significantly drop.

It's only "gradual robbery" if you keep climbing the ladder because what you REALLY want is a full pro model but keep settling for something less thinking it would do. If you know this to be the case, you should not buy a lower end model. It isn't "gradual robbery" at all, if you buy the 6D2 and you're happy with it for the next 3 years or so, until the 6D3 comes out. If you just read through this thread, you'll see all sorts of people who remain perfectly happy with 6D mark 1 -- they weren't robbed, right?

By the way, I do agree that it's not worthwhile buying a camera that doesn't shoot a good image. The problem is that we have different standards for what constitutes acceptable or excellent, and price is an important consideration for most buyers. Like most things in life, it's about compromises

Exactly. I have no idea why you prefer to pay more. Crop kit lenses are good value. But most of the "next level" crop optics are overpriced. Even using EF lenses on APS-C is wasting 60% of the unused glass.
There are options other than Canon. The problem is that people are lazy. I am too lazy for switching systems each time someone makes a better offer. And I do like many things Canon does well. I just hate it when they dumb it down for no reason. Look what MagicLantern does with 5 year old Canons ... It makes the new ones seem dated. It took 5 years to release the 6D2. Why do you expect the 6D3 coming sooner?
I'm not fully happy with 5D series either. This CF+SD combo is BS. No flip-out screen politics is stupid. No peaking, etc. ...

You misunderstand me. I prefer to pay less -- and the 6D2's price point is about right for me ($2k USD). I like articulating screen, and don't plan on going out into -20C weather or slogging in the rain. I have double-digit minutes of DSLR video since my very first DSLR capable of video, so 4k is meh. I'm ok with 1SD slot; sure 2 would be better. I prefer 5D4 AF, but I can live with 6D2's. So since it's a great compromise for me -- the perfect camera doesn't exist -- I'm going to buy one.

Unlike you, I don't choose to shoot Canon because I'm too lazy to switch systems. I switched from Canon to Minolta (my first AF camera! ) to Nikon in flim days, started DSLR with Olympus and switched to Canon starting with T2i era. I've had plenty of opportunity to switch since, have borrowed many cameras, and have tried a lot of bodies and lenses not because I'm unhappy with Canon, but because I like to play with gadgets.

At the end of the day, I just like the Canon system better, and mostly for the things that don't make it onto top line spec sheets. I like the way the camera feels and shoots and the menus and controls most of all, I like the feel of the premium lenses, RT Flash system and controller, and cheap third party accessories. I will happily concede that I could probably get better IQ out of another device, but IQ isn't everything -- having fun taking the shot is worth a lot to me, and at the end of the day, a lot of the photos are pretty close to the eye on all the higher end DSLRs and lenses anyhow -- or in some cases, better in situation A but worse in situation B.

I agree that the budget APSC lenses are the stellar deal; a lot of times, they're more than good enough, and cost a fraction of pro lens. But hey, that's how it goes with everything. Going high-end means diminishing returns with each dollar, not just because of parts costs, but because the market becomes smaller. It's kind of a fact of life, and I'm fine with that -- not like I could do anything about it if I weren't

Well, I understand everything perfectly. You pay less, but you get even less than you pay for it . Sometimes less is more.
I like FF
I like articulating touch screen
I like smaller body (but not too small with too many compromises)
I like decent AF systems, F8, DPAF (I don't really need 45 AF points, specially in the center; 9 good points in rectangular formation (not the freaking diamond) with adjustable size would do perfectly)
I like OVF (for some reasons)
I like EVF (for different reasons)
I like high resolution, including video (which in Canon case is made for photographers to be able to grab frames from that MJPEG, much like shooting 30fps JPGs in crop mode)
I like CF card slot (I can put an SD into CF slot via adapter, no need for SD slots, never was)
I like long battery life
I like decent affordable primes
I like focus peaking
I like MagicLantern
I like reliable gear
I like reasonable price
I like Canon ergonomics
I'd like a built-in RT transceiver (why not? is it expensive? it's a little $15 circuit board with a little chip and I'm ready to pay $50 for it )
Somehow there are no such cameras . Maybe the new Pentax K-1 Mark II will deliver? It's just sad. I'm not asking for pro level weather sealing, or 20 fps, or insane pro AF systems, or pro grade shutter speed, or dual XQD slots, or whatever professionals pay those $6000 for. I want basic stuff. Just put them in one box instead of 5 different boxes. There were articulating LCDs 15 years ago, why is the 6D2 the first FF DSLR to get it? WHY?? Just like in that Gordon Laing feat. Kai Wong - Canon, Tell Me Why! song ... https://youtu.be/0crokqG2uYg?t=6m38s

The thing with crop kit lenses is that when you put pro zooms on your crop body, you don't get more than you get with your kit lenses. All you get is a nicer lens barrel with 160% extra weight and the only practical use for it is to impress someone . In fact, sometimes with pro optics you get less. And there are like 5 or 6 videos on youtube (possibly more, I just saw 5-6 of them) with that being thoroughly investigated. I think Tool did one.

 

[Deepboy]

There were articulating LCDs 15 years ago, why is the 6D2 the first FF DSLR to get it? WHY??

As everybody is saying from days, everybody has is own tastes; i would gladly save 50 or 100 € on the 6DII for NOT having the flip screen, or i would pay 50 or 100 € more for a double slot for what is worth.

But that's how Canon designed it; i'm going to buy it anyway 99% even with the flip screen and without the double slot event i i wanted the opposite way.
Don't assume that the flipping screen is something everybody wants, and blame Canon for not installing it on fullframes until today; they do the camera they thing they can sell more pieces and for the max amount of money; i you like (most of) it, you buy it, if you don't, than don't buy. But your tastes are YOURS, not everybody's.

 

[Khalai]

There were articulating LCDs 15 years ago, why is the 6D2 the first FF DSLR to get it? WHY??

As everybody is saying from days, everybody has is own tastes; i would gladly save 50 or 100 € on the 6DII for NOT having the flip screen, or i would pay 50 or 100 € more for a double slot for what is worth.

But that's how Canon designed it; i'm going to buy it anyway 99% even with the flip screen and without the double slot event i i wanted the opposite way.
Don't assume that the flipping screen is something everybody wants, and blame Canon for not installing it on fullframes until today; they do the camera they thing they can sell more pieces and for the max amount of money; i you like (most of) it, you buy it, if you don't, than don't buy. But your tastes are YOURS, not everybody's.

Actually, I'd prefer just tilt screen like Fuji or Sony has. I like that approach more, it's faster and you don't have to move the screen outwards the camera, making the hinge a potential weak spot for break. I guess you can't have everything.

My dream camera would be look and ergonomics of Fuji X-T2 with EF mount, top Sony sensor and Canon colours. Damn, that would be something, right?

 

[ecka]

There were articulating LCDs 15 years ago, why is the 6D2 the first FF DSLR to get it? WHY??

As everybody is saying from days, everybody has is own tastes; i would gladly save 50 or 100 € on the 6DII for NOT having the flip screen, or i would pay 50 or 100 € more for a double slot for what is worth.

But that's how Canon designed it; i'm going to buy it anyway 99% even with the flip screen and without the double slot event i i wanted the opposite way.
Don't assume that the flipping screen is something everybody wants, and blame Canon for not installing it on fullframes until today; they do the camera they thing they can sell more pieces and for the max amount of money; i you like (most of) it, you buy it, if you don't, than don't buy. But your tastes are YOURS, not everybody's.

Well, you don't have to use all of the features your camera has. I'd rather have one CF slot, than dual SD, but if there were 2 SD slots in my 6D, I would still use one. You don't have to flip the screen. You don't have to shoot videos. You don't have to use built-in flash. You don't have to use touch LCD. You don't have to use AF. There are plenty of thing you'll never use, or maybe you don't even know they are there (did you read the manual? :), why not add a few more? It won't hurt. These things don't cost extra $100 each. It's the greedy marketing to blame. They want us to buy 5 different boxes instead of one. Despite that in most cases people buy only 1 box regardless of what the salesman says. But they could buy that one box more often, if it was worth it.

 

[Don Haines]

As someone who has had several DSLRs with an articulated screen, and has had several without, I have noticed the following:

If you attach your camera to a telescope, the tilt swivel screen makes viewing much easier, and is particularly more comfortable than lying in the snow for several hours.... think real hard on that one if you are a nature photographer doing low angle shots..... in a swamp.....

If you are working in confined spaces, the tilt swivel screen is wonderful and lets you back the camera as far as possible....

Everyone says that a tilt swivel screen is great for holding the camera up in the air above crowds and composing shots..... I have done this once in 50 years of shooting.......

Internet wisdom is that the screens are fragile and will break, yet there seems to be a lack of people who have ever had one break....

If you turn the screen around after shooting, your screen is better protected than a normal screen....

Internet wisdom says you can not seal a CANON camera with an articulated screen, yet according to Canon, the 60D was better sealed than the 5D2..... and somehow, Olympus has managed to seal their cameras to a higher level than Canon/Nikon/Sony.......

 

[ecka]

There were articulating LCDs 15 years ago, why is the 6D2 the first FF DSLR to get it? WHY??

As everybody is saying from days, everybody has is own tastes; i would gladly save 50 or 100 € on the 6DII for NOT having the flip screen, or i would pay 50 or 100 € more for a double slot for what is worth.

But that's how Canon designed it; i'm going to buy it anyway 99% even with the flip screen and without the double slot event i i wanted the opposite way.
Don't assume that the flipping screen is something everybody wants, and blame Canon for not installing it on fullframes until today; they do the camera they thing they can sell more pieces and for the max amount of money; i you like (most of) it, you buy it, if you don't, than don't buy. But your tastes are YOURS, not everybody's.

Actually, I'd prefer just tilt screen like Fuji or Sony has. I like that approach more, it's faster and you don't have to move the screen outwards the camera, making the hinge a potential weak spot for break. I guess you can't have everything.

My dream camera would be look and ergonomics of Fuji X-T2 with EF mount, top Sony sensor and Canon colours. Damn, that would be something, right?

I guess it's fine for stills. The flip out screens are very good for videos. And 4k is the way to go in 2017. But Canon decided to put the flip out screen in their only FF DSLR (of recent) that doesn't shoot 4k
When I'm seeing stuff that crazy, I'm thinking - what else is wrong? - and there are many things wrong about that camera (for the price).

 

[Deepboy]

I'd rather have one CF slot, than dual SD,

CF slot are very fragile with all those pins, i saw plenty of cameras with bended pins and so the card was impossibile to insert, i wonder why they still put such a dumb mechanical sh*t on professional cameras, SD slots are way more safe and less prone to be damaged, when the first 6D went out (i was coming from 5D MK II) i was SO happy it had SD cards

So you see, everybody really has his own tastes...

 

[Deleted member 379512]

Hearing/seeing the phrase - "entry level" - makes me face palm every time. I'm not entering anything when buying cheaper products. Honestly, it sounds like a "gradual robbery", which makes you suffer till it's over. I expect to get an adequate tool for my money, not the "snake oil". I don't care what you don't care about. I care to get a modern camera with sufficient features and qualities for the next 5 years and APS-C is not an option.
If an image doesn't deserve high quality, then, most likely, it's not worth shooting at all.

The problem is that I ALSO don't really care about what you don't care about -- and I do care about price. If there's a cheaper model that has enough (or all) of the features that *I* care about, that's the one I'll probably buy. Why should I pay more?

What most people who say, "I don't like so many models" are actually saying is: "This vendor doesn't have a lower-priced model with the features I want, and if they got rid of the lower-priced models, the higher-end one would come down in price". But that's just not going to happen. If you're advocating that they start FF cameras at 5D4, then you should just ignore the 6D2 entirely, and buy a 5D4, or complain, "5D4 is too expensive". But that's not going to get you very far, unless the sales of $3,300 pro cameras significantly drop.

It's only "gradual robbery" if you keep climbing the ladder because what you REALLY want is a full pro model but keep settling for something less thinking it would do. If you know this to be the case, you should not buy a lower end model. It isn't "gradual robbery" at all, if you buy the 6D2 and you're happy with it for the next 3 years or so, until the 6D3 comes out. If you just read through this thread, you'll see all sorts of people who remain perfectly happy with 6D mark 1 -- they weren't robbed, right?

By the way, I do agree that it's not worthwhile buying a camera that doesn't shoot a good image. The problem is that we have different standards for what constitutes acceptable or excellent, and price is an important consideration for most buyers. Like most things in life, it's about compromises

Exactly. I have no idea why you prefer to pay more. Crop kit lenses are good value. But most of the "next level" crop optics are overpriced. Even using EF lenses on APS-C is wasting 60% of the unused glass.
There are options other than Canon. The problem is that people are lazy. I am too lazy for switching systems each time someone makes a better offer. And I do like many things Canon does well. I just hate it when they dumb it down for no reason. Look what MagicLantern does with 5 year old Canons ... It makes the new ones seem dated. It took 5 years to release the 6D2. Why do you expect the 6D3 coming sooner?
I'm not fully happy with 5D series either. This CF+SD combo is BS. No flip-out screen politics is stupid. No peaking, etc. ...

You misunderstand me. I prefer to pay less -- and the 6D2's price point is about right for me ($2k USD). I like articulating screen, and don't plan on going out into -20C weather or slogging in the rain. I have double-digit minutes of DSLR video since my very first DSLR capable of video, so 4k is meh. I'm ok with 1SD slot; sure 2 would be better. I prefer 5D4 AF, but I can live with 6D2's. So since it's a great compromise for me -- the perfect camera doesn't exist -- I'm going to buy one.

Unlike you, I don't choose to shoot Canon because I'm too lazy to switch systems. I switched from Canon to Minolta (my first AF camera! ) to Nikon in flim days, started DSLR with Olympus and switched to Canon starting with T2i era. I've had plenty of opportunity to switch since, have borrowed many cameras, and have tried a lot of bodies and lenses not because I'm unhappy with Canon, but because I like to play with gadgets.

At the end of the day, I just like the Canon system better, and mostly for the things that don't make it onto top line spec sheets. I like the way the camera feels and shoots and the menus and controls most of all, I like the feel of the premium lenses, RT Flash system and controller, and cheap third party accessories. I will happily concede that I could probably get better IQ out of another device, but IQ isn't everything -- having fun taking the shot is worth a lot to me, and at the end of the day, a lot of the photos are pretty close to the eye on all the higher end DSLRs and lenses anyhow -- or in some cases, better in situation A but worse in situation B.

The iq of the 6d 2 is now the biggest factor in whether I go for the upgrade from the 6d, or see what else is a viable option with a tilting screen (big plus for me at least)
I'm mainly doing landscape and astro, and have been finding the enjoyment of shooting has been decreasing as I've found more limitations with the iso variance, especially after a shooting friend got a d750 which doesn't have anywhere near the same limitations, even with far inferior glass (crop sensor glass, so heavy vignettes and coma). Not that the Canon can't take nice photos at all, but many times there is a noticeable difference in the quality of noise, which starts to be a little disappointing when it means you can't get the shot you envisioned

 

[Loswr]

Well, you don't have to use all of the features your camera has. I'd rather have...

So, others should pay for your personal wish litany of features, it's ok because they don't have to use them.

: : : : : :

 

[ecka]

I'd rather have one CF slot, than dual SD,

CF slot are very fragile with all those pins, i saw plenty of cameras with bended pins and so the card was impossibile to insert, i wonder why they still put such a dumb mechanical sh*t on professional cameras, SD slots are way more safe and less prone to be damaged, when the first 6D went out (i was coming from 5D MK II) i was SO happy it had SD cards

So you see, everybody really has his own tastes...

I think that depends on where these people are buying their cards (could be fake, badly made with poor precision) and if their "hands are growing from the right place" . I've seen people trying to insert CF cards sideways and backwards, so that's one reason right there. I mean, what else did they try to put in there ... could be anything . I never had a single problem with those pins. No way SD cards are any safer. SDs die and get corrupted much more often, specially in "those hands" . And you didn't have to use CF in your 5D2. You could use an SD adapter. Some adapters allow to use two SD cards in CF slot, if you want to double the chance of failure .