Poll: What Do You Think About the EOS Canon 6D Mark II?

[timmy_650]

It looks like a good upgrade but I don't know if it will be worth the money to upgrade from my 6D. I will be ever inserted in the sensor performance.

 

[Jopa]

I'm thinking that the video train has already left the station and Canon is still standing on the platform.

Actually Canon's DPAF alone is huge if you shoot video.

 

[TheIndividual]

My biggest gripe is 98% viewfinder coverage.
For $2000 camera, I would have expected to see the full 100% view in its viewfinder.

There is nothing more irritating in the field to tightly compose an image, only to find out later that there is something on the boundary of the picture which spoils the composition and ultimately the whole picture.
And the worst thing is that even if you try to retake the picture, you still do not know whether you are fixing the problem or not.

Granted, those things can be cropped later in post-processing. But I prefer to take a perfect composition, and use post-processing for adding colors or effects.

Why doesn't Canon make a perfect DSLR camera knowing fully well that these few years are make or break for them?
If it keeps scrimping on each of its low-end DSLR, it will loose them to Sony mirrorless.
And once you leave the ecosystem, you don't come back to buy higher end systems.

 

[Deleted member 379512]

I'm thinking that the video train has already left the station and Canon is still standing on the platform.

Actually Canon's DPAF alone is huge if you shoot video.

The dpaf looks really good, which is why I'm so confused about the video specs. I'm hoping it's really a downsampled 3 or 4k to give nice crispness, although I think I saw the bitrate was quite low?

 

[unfocused]

...I would also love to see vCanon pull the low pass filter on these cameras. At the bery least the 7D series, as a camera designed for sports and wildlife, every bit of sharpness counts...

Won't happen. Bird feathers are too susceptible to moire and birders represent a sizeable portion of the 7D market.

 

[unfocused]

10 p.m. Central time: 6DII is #3 on the Amazon DSLR Best Seller's list.

That's the poll that Canon cares about.

 

[transpo1]

130 people or trolls are leaving Canon?! OK, 2 people and a bunch of trolls. I hope the trolls leave this forum, too.

Haha, how do you know they're trolls? Because they disagree with you? :

 

[honestlo]

Wait another 4 years to see weather Mark III will come 4K video or 1080p !

 

[transpo1]

Why do some people who have a negative opinion of a Canon feature say they are jumping ship? Because they are trolls. At the least they are brats.

Not everyone, as you state, that has a negative opinion of a Canon feature is called a troll. The trolls are the people always claiming they are going to leave because Canon doesn't innovate etc... never leave. They keep coming back to the forum to troll.

The trolls are those who expect Canon to make a camera just for them. Forget profits and the market.

I think this forum has another problem not quite but almost as big as the "trolls", who are quite real and quite annoying. It's the people who almost as mindlessly defend any choice Canon makes, and who have the nasty habit of feeding those selfsame trolls by responding repeatedly and angrily to every single one of them--or even bemoaning the trolls before they've actually appeared on a thread. I think some of Canon's zealous defenders on this board are a bit too zealous, and should consider their own behavior and the effect it has on the atmosphere on this forum. To those people I say: take a deep breath, don't feed the trolls, don't condescend and insult, and don't treat every complaint as if it comes from the keyboard of a troll.

I'm considering jumping ship myself. I shoot a lot of manual focus and wide aperture lenses, and with the 6D Mark II, Canon (like Nikon), has shown that it isn't friendly to photographers who shoot that way. So I'm in the sad position of considering a switch to Sony, which means dealing with all of their problems (battery life, haptics, slow response time, etc). I'm an experienced photographer and I know what I'm doing. I'm going to take a long time to see the reviews and consider my options, but I may very well jump ship over this one issue. And I also happen to think that Canon should have included 4K, even though I don't shoot and don't care about video. So, am I a troll?

My biggest (and only) gripe is the lack of interchangeable screens, but I wasn't given that option to choose that, ironically.

Yeah, this is my biggest gripe, too.

Also, a lot of people are taking issue with the fact that it doesn't have dual memory slots; again, in a basic camera it's weird to ask for more. If anything, I'm amazed that fewer people chose the „UHS-I” as a potential fault; the buffer limit is occuring way more often than a card fault that would be saved by the second slot.

I actually think this is a fair complaint. Nikon offers dual slots on both the D610 and the D750, the 6D II's most obvious competitors. It's not really a basic camera, and Canon knows that a lot of pros and aspiring pros will use it, as they did the original 6D.

Well said.

 

[tommychan]

Missing 4K video is indeed disappointing. However if it does HDR video and upgradable with Clog support I will forgive not having 4K

 

[SecureGSM]

a note, if I may: do you know that you can set your RAW processor to crop all images on import to 98% to match OVF coverage automaticaly? that way you do not have to worry about fixing your composition and get to concentrate on your colours and effects instead?
hint: default profile.

My biggest gripe is 98% viewfinder coverage.
For $2000 camera, I would have expected to see the full 100% view in its viewfinder.

There is nothing more irritating in the field to tightly compose an image, only to find out later that there is something on the boundary of the picture which spoils the composition and ultimately the whole picture.
And the worst thing is that even if you try to retake the picture, you still do not know whether you are fixing the problem or not.

Granted, those things can be cropped later in post-processing. But I prefer to take a perfect composition, and use post-processing for adding colors or effects.

Why doesn't Canon make a perfect DSLR camera knowing fully well that these few years are make or break for them?
If it keeps scrimping on each of its low-end DSLR, it will loose them to Sony mirrorless.
And once you leave the ecosystem, you don't come back to buy higher end systems.

 

[photojoern.de]

AF spread is a big issue for me. I'm a bit tired on focus and compose and hearing the number of AF points I was really set to buy this to replace my 5D classic.

But right now I have decided not to buy it. But I will wait for the reviews and then try it in a shop before making the final decision.

I will probably end up with a Sony A7 III.

This is exactly what I am really really frustrated about. Try doing a portrait shot and apply the rule of thirds, as a simple compositional approach. The eyes of the subject will be outside the AF points of Canon (and probably Nikon) cameras. You have to focus and recompose. Do this with a f1,4 lens and open aperture and you have such a narrow depth of field that during the time you compose, your distance camera-subject will change slightly and the eyes will be slightly out of focus. And also the moment is probably gone.

I hate this. I simply hate this. This is why i voted that I will probably leave Canon to go for Sony, although I have shot with Canon gear for over 30 years. And although I don´t like the ergonomics of a7 and a9 cameras, just too small. But that´s it.

 

[Ian_of_glos]

130 people or trolls are leaving Canon?! OK, 2 people and a bunch of trolls. I hope the trolls leave this forum, too.

Haha, how do you know they're trolls? Because they disagree with you? :

It is because their registered address is:
Under the bridge, between Goat Farm and Goat Meadow.

 

[tron]

How about another selection" I will not buy 6DII because I have a 5DIV or 5DsR or 1DxII, etc
Just answering "I will not buy 6DII" gives the wrong impression...

Also I selected the resolution increase because it was sensor related but what I really meant was improved sensor in general (noise, dr, etc)

 

[tron]

AF spread is a big issue for me. I'm a bit tired on focus and compose and hearing the number of AF points I was really set to buy this to replace my 5D classic.

But right now I have decided not to buy it. But I will wait for the reviews and then try it in a shop before making the final decision.

I will probably end up with a Sony A7 III.

This is exactly what I am really really frustrated about. Try doing a portrait shot and apply the rule of thirds, as a simple compositional approach. The eyes of the subject will be outside the AF points of Canon (and probably Nikon) cameras. You have to focus and recompose. Do this with a f1,4 lens and open aperture and you have such a narrow depth of field that during the time you compose, your distance camera-subject will change slightly and the eyes will be slightly out of focus. And also the moment is probably gone.

I hate this. I simply hate this. This is why i voted that I will probably leave Canon to go for Sony, although I have shot with Canon gear for over 30 years. And although I don´t like the ergonomics of a7 and a9 cameras, just too small. But that´s it.

A9 costs more than 5DIV which has wider AF spread than 6DII...

 

[StudentOfLight]

AF spread is a big issue for me. I'm a bit tired on focus and compose and hearing the number of AF points I was really set to buy this to replace my 5D classic.

But right now I have decided not to buy it. But I will wait for the reviews and then try it in a shop before making the final decision.

I will probably end up with a Sony A7 III.

This is exactly what I am really really frustrated about. Try doing a portrait shot and apply the rule of thirds, as a simple compositional approach. The eyes of the subject will be outside the AF points of Canon (and probably Nikon) cameras. You have to focus and recompose. Do this with a f1,4 lens and open aperture and you have such a narrow depth of field that during the time you compose, your distance camera-subject will change slightly and the eyes will be slightly out of focus. And also the moment is probably gone.

I hate this. I simply hate this. This is why i voted that I will probably leave Canon to go for Sony, although I have shot with Canon gear for over 30 years. And although I don´t like the ergonomics of a7 and a9 cameras, just too small. But that´s it.

Have you tried live-view with dual-pixel autofocus? It covers much larger portion of the image frame and is very precise.

 

[Billybob]

130 people or trolls are leaving Canon?! OK, 2 people and a bunch of trolls. I hope the trolls leave this forum, too.

Why is it anyone who has a negative opion of a canon feature is immediately labeled a troll on this forum? Anyway, I'm sure this will be a fine camera. Hopefully improvements in image quality, Dynamic range and noise levels will be seen. I have to admit as someone who is wanting a first FF camera, I'm a bit dissapointed in the af point spread. I mostly shoot wildlife at the moment and the tilting screen would be a huge plus for me as well as cleaner images than what I'm getting from my 7D....Troll? I would also love to see vCanon pull the low pass filter on these cameras. At the bery least the 7D series, as a camera designed for sports and wildlife, every bit of sharpness counts. Anyway, with any luck good things will be said about the new 6D and maybe will be able to pick up a used or refurbished one down the road.

Not always but frequently, and it's not just here. Try criticizing a Canon product on DPR.

I've owned 8 or 9 Canon DSLRs since 2003 (the original DRebel, 300D, I believe). I've been shooting dual system since 2009. I haven't completely switched because I love Canon lenses and prefer Canon ergonomics to Nikon.

I was looking forward to the 6DMII. I just have the 80D and was looking forward to adding a FF body. Although I may still buy the 6D, I am disturbed by allegations--there has been no systematic testing, so this is all rumor--that Canon intentionally crippled IQ and performance. There is no way that this new sensor should produce IQ that is inferior to the 5DMIV's. Yes, the 6D's resolution should be marginally lower, but DR, noise and high ISO performance should be on par or even marginally to noticeably better than the 5D's.

More disturbing, I heard reports that DPAF performance has been scaled back. The report I saw suggests that it doesn't track as well as the 5D's, and it perhaps doesn't lock on to targets as well. If true, I find such intentional gimping--because I doubt that there are technical reasons for these deficiencies--deplorable. I understand product differentiation, so no 4k, reduced AF point spread, slower burst rate/weaker buffer, lower max shutter speed, etc., is expected. But Canon has never to my knowledge intentionally sabotaged the IQ in a camera. It has always released new cameras, even when part of a lower tier, with the best IQ available even if it means that a Rebel has better IQ than an XXD camera or the 6D has better IQ in some regards than the 5DMIII. I hope that this practice hasn't changed.

But, perhaps, Canon has learned a lesson from Nikon about overlapping features between different Camera tiers. Nikon released the D3, its professional-grade camera, and the D700, an enthusiast camera, around the same time. These cameras had the same sensor and produced the same IQ. The D3 had a faster burst rate and perhaps modestly better AF. Working pros purchased the $3000+ D700 in droves at the expense of sales of the $5000+ flagship camera. In fact, the D700 became the de facto wedding camera, and to this day, many pros keep a D700 as part of their kit. Today, Nikon insures that there is little overlap between cameras.

I guess that's what we're seeing from Canon. But if IQ has become the distinguishing factor, Canon can go forward without me.

 

[chrysoberyl]

130 people or trolls are leaving Canon?! OK, 2 people and a bunch of trolls. I hope the trolls leave this forum, too.

Haha, how do you know they're trolls? Because they disagree with you? :

Not at all! I rarely state opinions. I view a troll as one who presents a very negative attitude, is not open to other opinions and sometimes facts, and does not contribute constructively to the conversation. The 6D II seems to have brought them out from under their bridges.

I do apologize for whining about trolls.

 

[Loswr]

I've owned 8 or 9 Canon DSLRs since 2003 (the original DRebel, 300D, I believe). I've been shooting dual system since 2009. I haven't completely switched because I love Canon lenses and prefer Canon ergonomics to Nikon.

I was looking forward to the 6DMII. I just have the 80D and was looking forward to adding a FF body. Although I may still buy the 6D, I am disturbed by allegations--there has been no systematic testing, so this is all rumor--that Canon intentionally crippled IQ and performance. There is no way that this new sensor should produce IQ that is inferior to the 5DMIV's. Yes, the 6D's resolution should be marginally lower, but DR, noise and high ISO performance should be on par or even marginally to noticeably better than the 5D's.

More disturbing, I heard reports that DPAF performance has been scaled back. The report I saw suggests that it doesn't track as well as the 5D's, and it perhaps doesn't lock on to targets as well. If true, I find such intentional gimping--because I doubt that there are technical reasons for these deficiencies--deplorable. I understand product differentiation, so no 4k, reduced AF point spread, slower burst rate/weaker buffer, lower max shutter speed, etc., is expected. But Canon has never to my knowledge intentionally sabotaged the IQ in a camera. It has always released new cameras, even when part of a lower tier, with the best IQ available even if it means that a Rebel has better IQ than an XXD camera or the 6D has better IQ in some regards than the 5DMIII. I hope that this practice hasn't changed.

But, perhaps, Canon has learned a lesson from Nikon about overlapping features between different Camera tiers. Nikon released the D3, its professional-grade camera, and the D700, an enthusiast camera, around the same time. These cameras had the same sensor and produced the same IQ. The D3 had a faster burst rate and perhaps modestly better AF. Working pros purchased the $3000+ D700 in droves at the expense of sales of the $5000+ flagship camera. In fact, the D700 became the de facto wedding camera, and to this day, many pros keep a D700 as part of their kit. Today, Nikon insures that there is little overlap between cameras.

I guess that's what we're seeing from Canon. But if IQ has become the distinguishing factor, Canon can go forward without me.

I read a rumor that Canon crippled the 6DII's IQ and performance just to piss off a forum poster poster named Billybob. If true, I find that very disturbing. But it's still just a rumor.

 

[bereninga]

Canon really put themselves in a tough spot with the 6D product. It had the AF of the 5DII and better IQ than the 5DIII. If the 6DII inherited the 5DIII AF system while getting better IQ than the 5DIV, why would anyone get the 5DIV? Just for 4K and dual slots and a joystick? If the 6DII really has worse IQ than the 5DIV that would be really disappointing.