Poll: What Do You Think About the EOS Canon 6D Mark II?

[tron]

Canon really put themselves in a tough spot with the 6D product. It had the AF of the 5DII and better IQ than the 5DIII. If the 6DII inherited the 5DIII AF system while getting better IQ than the 5DIV, why would anyone get the 5DIV? Just for 4K and dual slots and a joystick? If the 6DII really has worse IQ than the 5DIV that would be really disappointing.

If 6D2 had 4K, dual slots, 1/200 flash sync, joystick and large area AF it would be a 5D4!!! However it is Canon's policy (as per Canon's CEO) that they always use the best sensor available in new cameras. So let's wait and see...

 

[Billybob]

I've owned 8 or 9 Canon DSLRs since 2003 (the original DRebel, 300D, I believe). I've been shooting dual system since 2009. I haven't completely switched because I love Canon lenses and prefer Canon ergonomics to Nikon.

I was looking forward to the 6DMII. I just have the 80D and was looking forward to adding a FF body. Although I may still buy the 6D, I am disturbed by allegations--there has been no systematic testing, so this is all rumor--that Canon intentionally crippled IQ and performance. There is no way that this new sensor should produce IQ that is inferior to the 5DMIV's. Yes, the 6D's resolution should be marginally lower, but DR, noise and high ISO performance should be on par or even marginally to noticeably better than the 5D's.

More disturbing, I heard reports that DPAF performance has been scaled back. The report I saw suggests that it doesn't track as well as the 5D's, and it perhaps doesn't lock on to targets as well. If true, I find such intentional gimping--because I doubt that there are technical reasons for these deficiencies--deplorable. I understand product differentiation, so no 4k, reduced AF point spread, slower burst rate/weaker buffer, lower max shutter speed, etc., is expected. But Canon has never to my knowledge intentionally sabotaged the IQ in a camera. It has always released new cameras, even when part of a lower tier, with the best IQ available even if it means that a Rebel has better IQ than an XXD camera or the 6D has better IQ in some regards than the 5DMIII. I hope that this practice hasn't changed.

But, perhaps, Canon has learned a lesson from Nikon about overlapping features between different Camera tiers. Nikon released the D3, its professional-grade camera, and the D700, an enthusiast camera, around the same time. These cameras had the same sensor and produced the same IQ. The D3 had a faster burst rate and perhaps modestly better AF. Working pros purchased the $3000+ D700 in droves at the expense of sales of the $5000+ flagship camera. In fact, the D700 became the de facto wedding camera, and to this day, many pros keep a D700 as part of their kit. Today, Nikon insures that there is little overlap between cameras.

I guess that's what we're seeing from Canon. But if IQ has become the distinguishing factor, Canon can go forward without me.

I read a rumor that Canon crippled the 6DII's IQ and performance just to piss off a forum poster poster named Billybob. If true, I find that very disturbing. But it's still just a rumor.

Lol!

 

[tron]

Well the lack of 4K shooting makes me sad in the way that I will not shoot 4K video while in the Full HD only cameras I just didn't shoot ... 2K (as I didn't shot 720p, etc) ;D ;D ;D

 

[mashuto]

130 people or trolls are leaving Canon?! OK, 2 people and a bunch of trolls. I hope the trolls leave this forum, too.

Why is it anyone who has a negative opion of a canon feature is immediately labeled a troll on this forum? Anyway, I'm sure this will be a fine camera. Hopefully improvements in image quality, Dynamic range and noise levels will be seen. I have to admit as someone who is wanting a first FF camera, I'm a bit dissapointed in the af point spread. I mostly shoot wildlife at the moment and the tilting screen would be a huge plus for me as well as cleaner images than what I'm getting from my 7D....Troll? I would also love to see vCanon pull the low pass filter on these cameras. At the bery least the 7D series, as a camera designed for sports and wildlife, every bit of sharpness counts. Anyway, with any luck good things will be said about the new 6D and maybe will be able to pick up a used or refurbished one down the road.

Not always but frequently, and it's not just here. Try criticizing a Canon product on DPR.

I've owned 8 or 9 Canon DSLRs since 2003 (the original DRebel, 300D, I believe). I've been shooting dual system since 2009. I haven't completely switched because I love Canon lenses and prefer Canon ergonomics to Nikon.

I was looking forward to the 6DMII. I just have the 80D and was looking forward to adding a FF body. Although I may still buy the 6D, I am disturbed by allegations--there has been no systematic testing, so this is all rumor--that Canon intentionally crippled IQ and performance. There is no way that this new sensor should produce IQ that is inferior to the 5DMIV's. Yes, the 6D's resolution should be marginally lower, but DR, noise and high ISO performance should be on par or even marginally to noticeably better than the 5D's.

More disturbing, I heard reports that DPAF performance has been scaled back. The report I saw suggests that it doesn't track as well as the 5D's, and it perhaps doesn't lock on to targets as well. If true, I find such intentional gimping--because I doubt that there are technical reasons for these deficiencies--deplorable. I understand product differentiation, so no 4k, reduced AF point spread, slower burst rate/weaker buffer, lower max shutter speed, etc., is expected. But Canon has never to my knowledge intentionally sabotaged the IQ in a camera. It has always released new cameras, even when part of a lower tier, with the best IQ available even if it means that a Rebel has better IQ than an XXD camera or the 6D has better IQ in some regards than the 5DMIII. I hope that this practice hasn't changed.

But, perhaps, Canon has learned a lesson from Nikon about overlapping features between different Camera tiers. Nikon released the D3, its professional-grade camera, and the D700, an enthusiast camera, around the same time. These cameras had the same sensor and produced the same IQ. The D3 had a faster burst rate and perhaps modestly better AF. Working pros purchased the $3000+ D700 in droves at the expense of sales of the $5000+ flagship camera. In fact, the D700 became the de facto wedding camera, and to this day, many pros keep a D700 as part of their kit. Today, Nikon insures that there is little overlap between cameras.

I guess that's what we're seeing from Canon. But if IQ has become the distinguishing factor, Canon can go forward without me.

At this point, I don't know what is true or what isn't. However, I read the article on DPReview, where there was one sentence that worries me

According to Canon representatives, the 6D Mark II should outperform the original 6D (which it very evidently does) but may not offer the same kind of dynamic range and absolute resolution of the EOS 5D Mark IV.

Well in terms of absolute resolution... duh, I mean 30mp vs 26mp. But the dynamic range claim worries me as the 5DMKIV has about a stop and a half improvement over the 6D. So, does this essentially mean that the MKII will have less than a full stop improvement? Or even less? Even with them saying that it will outperform the original 6D, will it really be enough to be noticeable?

I have been a happy owner of the original 6D for 4 and a half years now, so I was about ready for an upgrade, and the 6D2 has enough features to me that I would be happy with it, but ISO performance and improved DR are very important to me to the point that if they are only very marginally better then I am not sure the rest of the upgrades are worth the full asking price.

I preordered because I like a lot of the upgrades (and dont care about 4k video, or any video at all) but it was also under the assumption that it would be similar to the original 6D and 5DIII releases. Where ISO performance and DR were matched, if not slightly better on the 6D due to it being a newer sensor. So the assumption was that ISO performance and DR would match the 5D4, which would make me a happy campter along with the rest of the features. It seems like I may have assumed incorrectly. And that would be extremely disappointing if Canon intentionally developed a worse performing sensor.

But, I know at this point its all rumors, though having a statement supposedly coming directly from a canon rep is a bit concerning. Either way, hopefully some actual reviews and sensor benchmarks will come out before the camera starts shipping so I can determine if keeping my preorder is worth it or if I should cancel. Because at the end of the day, as nice as these features are, for what I shoot, I dont feel limited at all by the 6D. The upgraded features are all things that would be nice to have, but if image quality isnt a noticeable step up, then just not sure its what I am looking for right now.

 

[SecureGSM]

why not upgrade to Canon 5D IV body instead? I feel your pain and likely in the same boat. Ultimatelly, I am going to replace one of my 6D bodies with 5D IV and keep the second one for time being and replace with 6D II in about a year from now when prices settled down a bit. Therefore, I will use my Cam #1 for wide aperture portraiture shots and cam #2 when I have to use both. Typically for run and gun situations shooting with 24-70/2.8 zoom+ 70-200/2.8 zooms.

I have posted this image before, but 5D IV AF system covers rule of thirds situation nicely. have another thought perhaps?

AF spread is a big issue for me. I'm a bit tired on focus and compose and hearing the number of AF points I was really set to buy this to replace my 5D classic.

But right now I have decided not to buy it. But I will wait for the reviews and then try it in a shop before making the final decision.

I will probably end up with a Sony A7 III.

This is exactly what I am really really frustrated about. Try doing a portrait shot and apply the rule of thirds, as a simple compositional approach. The eyes of the subject will be outside the AF points of Canon (and probably Nikon) cameras. You have to focus and recompose. Do this with a f1,4 lens and open aperture and you have such a narrow depth of field that during the time you compose, your distance camera-subject will change slightly and the eyes will be slightly out of focus. And also the moment is probably gone.

I hate this. I simply hate this. This is why i voted that I will probably leave Canon to go for Sony, although I have shot with Canon gear for over 30 years. And although I don´t like the ergonomics of a7 and a9 cameras, just too small. But that´s it.

 

[SecureGSM]

Are you saying that I can actualy shoot video with my 6d bodies? Wow. You are kidding me! I am off to RTFM. talk soon

Well the lack of 4K shooting makes me sad in the way that I will not shoot 4K video while in the Full HD only cameras I just didn't shoot ... 2K (as I didn't shot 720p, etc) ;D ;D ;D

 

[mashuto]

why not upgrade to Canon 5D IV body instead? I feel your pain and likely in the same boat. Ultimatelly, I am going to replace one of my 6D bodies with 5D IV and keep the second one for time being and replace with 6D II in about a year from now when prices settled down a bit. Therefore, I will use my Cam #1 for wide aperture portraiture shots and cam #2 when I have to use both. Typically for run and gun situations shooting with 24-70/2.8 zoom+ 70-200/2.8 zooms.

The 5d4 certainly has pretty much everything I would want from a current canon camera without any real compromises, but its also quite a bit more expensive and has a lot of additional features I dont need or care about. The original 6D hit the sweet spot for me in terms of image quality and price (while lacking slightly on features), and the MKII hits the sweet spot even more in terms of price/features. But if the image quality is not enough of an improvement, then the price is a bit high to me for some upgraded features that are not super critical to me. And the 5d4 is obviously just even more.

Photography is just a hobby for me, and one I don't participate in nearly as much as I would like, so even though I have already spent a ton of money on equipment (and can afford to) I still have a limit, and the 5d4 is just over that limit (even though I could afford it too)... who knows, maybe Ill change my mind...

 

[ecka]

I think I'll wait until 6D Mark II price drops by $300-$400 or Sony makes a better camera (A7III) for that price.

 

[tron]

why not upgrade to Canon 5D IV body instead? I feel your pain and likely in the same boat. Ultimatelly, I am going to replace one of my 6D bodies with 5D IV and keep the second one for time being and replace with 6D II in about a year from now when prices settled down a bit. Therefore, I will use my Cam #1 for wide aperture portraiture shots and cam #2 when I have to use both. Typically for run and gun situations shooting with 24-70/2.8 zoom+ 70-200/2.8 zooms.

The 5d4 certainly has pretty much everything I would want from a current canon camera without any real compromises, but its also quite a bit more expensive and has a lot of additional features I dont need or care about. The original 6D hit the sweet spot for me in terms of image quality and price (while lacking slightly on features), and the MKII hits the sweet spot even more in terms of price/features. But if the image quality is not enough of an improvement, then the price is a bit high to me for some upgraded features that are not super critical to me. And the 5d4 is obviously just even more.

Photography is just a hobby for me, and one I don't participate in nearly as much as I would like, so even though I have already spent a ton of money on equipment (and can afford to) I still have a limit, and the 5d4 is just over that limit (even though I could afford it too)... who knows, maybe Ill change my mind...

I believe 5D4 covers your needs so maybe searching for a grey market model or waiting for some rebates could be the solution...

 

[mashuto]

I believe 5D4 covers your needs so maybe searching for a grey market model or waiting for some rebates could be the solution...

Maybe, though truthfully the 6DII offers pretty much everything I need as well, with the exception being that I just dont know yet about ISO performance and DR. Beyond that, the 5D4 doesn't really offer too much extra that I am personally interested in, except maybe the little bit of extra resolution. So, for me, I am still not sure I would be able to find a 5d4 for cheap enough to be worth it for me. Not entirely sure how I feel about gray market or getting a used body, and I think to get the price down enough for me is just not something that will happen for quite some time.

Still, have a few weeks at least to consider whether I want to cancel my 6DII preorder or not.

 

[nc0b]

I paid $1800 for a 6D soon after it came out, while my brother bought one for $999 six months ago. Between my 6D and my 5DsR I have no reason to spend another $2000 now for a third FF body. I don't think my hardware is a significant limitation to my hobby.

 

[jedy]

Tbh, the 6DII not having 4K is actually no big deal. Anyone who needs 4K i.e. serious filmmakers, won't be buying a camera that doesn't allow you to get a clean hdmi output to a broadcast standard external monitor/recorder. Saying that, it's a shame Canon are not competing with the likes of Sony and Panasonic for professional video. Any talk about not wanting to harm sales of their cine cameras is just b******s as they are in a completely different price bracket that are unaffordable for many.

 

[canonic]

Tbh, the 6DII not having 4K is actually no big deal. Anyone who needs 4K i.e. serious filmmakers, won't be buying a camera that doesn't allow you to get a clean hdmi output to a broadcast standard external monitor/recorder. Saying that, it's a shame Canon are not competing with the likes of Sony and Panasonic for professional video. Any talk about not wanting to harm sales of their cine cameras is just b******s as they are in a completely different price bracket that are unaffordable for many.

Why everyone thinks that between cats/kids "videographers" and "serious filmmakers" is nothing???

 

[canonic]

I'm thinking that the video train has already left the station and Canon is still standing on the platform.

Actually Canon's DPAF alone is huge if you shoot video.

In this regards, Canon 6D2 is like a hero samurai, but blind and old and poor and ... alone 8)

Edit: Canon with Canon 6D2

 

[Loswr]

In this regards, Canon is like a hero samurai, but blind and old and poor and ... alone 8)

No, rich. Very rich.

 

[SecureGSM]

ok. got it. well, take a closer look at the AF points overlay of the 6D II. you can certainly compose with 45AF points provided (just) whilst satisfying rule of thirds at the same time. it depends how quickly you have to move AF point selection across the frame. if you can spare a few seconds, then you are at luck as the dial/wheel AF selection likely takes not longer than 3-5 seconds? if you are in an absolute run and gun situation, then AF point selection joystick gets you there much faster. I hope it helps.

why not upgrade to Canon 5D IV body instead? I feel your pain and likely in the same boat. Ultimatelly, I am going to replace one of my 6D bodies with 5D IV and keep the second one for time being and replace with 6D II in about a year from now when prices settled down a bit. Therefore, I will use my Cam #1 for wide aperture portraiture shots and cam #2 when I have to use both. Typically for run and gun situations shooting with 24-70/2.8 zoom+ 70-200/2.8 zooms.

The 5d4 certainly has pretty much everything I would want from a current canon camera without any real compromises, but its also quite a bit more expensive and has a lot of additional features I dont need or care about. The original 6D hit the sweet spot for me in terms of image quality and price (while lacking slightly on features), and the MKII hits the sweet spot even more in terms of price/features. But if the image quality is not enough of an improvement, then the price is a bit high to me for some upgraded features that are not super critical to me. And the 5d4 is obviously just even more.

Photography is just a hobby for me, and one I don't participate in nearly as much as I would like, so even though I have already spent a ton of money on equipment (and can afford to) I still have a limit, and the 5d4 is just over that limit (even though I could afford it too)... who knows, maybe Ill change my mind...

 

[canonic]

I'm thinking that the video train has already left the station and Canon is still standing on the platform.

Actually Canon's DPAF alone is huge if you shoot video.

In this regards, Canon 6D2 is like a hero samurai, but blind and old and poor and ... alone 8)

Edit: Canon with Canon 6D2

Kai brought this to the point:
WHY???
https://youtu.be/0crokqG2uYg?t=410

Apropos ... you can whatch it in 4K ;D 8)

 

[Khalai]

Kai brought this to the point:
WHY???
https://youtu.be/0crokqG2uYg?t=410

Apropos ... you can whatch it in 4K ;D 8)

Saw that yesterday. Absolutely hysterical and ingenious. Kai & Gordon went viral

 

[mashuto]

ok. got it. well, take a closer look at the AF points overlay of the 6D II. you can certainly compose with 45AF points provided (just) whilst satisfying rule of thirds at the same time. it depends how quickly you have to move AF point selection across the frame. if you can spare a few seconds, then you are at luck as the dial/wheel AF selection likely takes not longer than 3-5 seconds? if you are in an absolute run and gun situation, then AF point selection joystick gets you there much faster. I hope it helps.

I think you may have been responding to someone else originally about the AF points. For me, the AF isnt a huge "issue". I know that coverage is small, but for most of what I shoot I have been more than ok with focus and recompose. So the upgraded system should be more than enough for my needs and will be a rather large upgrade from the current 6D system.

As I said earlier, my biggest concern is still down to ISO and DR performance, since there has been nothing said about that yet, other than the one statement I saw in that dpreview article where a canon rep said it may not be as good as the 5d4. And with the margin already fairly slim, my concern is that it might not be enough of an improvement to either be noticeable or worth it for me.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I suspect that lifting the 80D AF and putting it into the 6D MK II is a typical cost cutting measure. Canon saved money on firmware development, the hardware, of course, stocking of spare parts, and tools to calibrate and adjust AF which are in maintenance shops around the world. The savings are probably pretty substantial when you look at the volume of sales. Its just the typical Canon formula that has pushed them to the top of the heap, produce a good but not best product for a low price and high profit, provide good customer service, and money seems to flow in by the boat load. If Sony ever got serious about producing cameras and lenses, they might take over quickly, but their designs are difficult to make and repair, and their prices far too high.

Sony still has the attitude that buyers will pay more because "Its a Sony" It has not helped them as much as lower prices has helped Canon. Even so, In the US and many parts of the world, the weaker Yen helps keep prices low ans sales are rising.

BTW, Sony is investing in another Growth Industry - Vinyl Records!