Preorder: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR Camera with Canon Log

[Jopa]

Those Rumors really killed this "update" for me honestly.. :/ and that's tough for me to say. I've been so patient with Canon while everyone was jumping ship to Sony and still Canon hasn't brought anything significant or major to compete.. Even Nikon is now supposedly making a camera to raise the bar now.. I understand Canon makes a very reliable camera but the sheer lack of image quality always has me feeling left behind.. The mark 4 is truly 5-10 steps better than the Mark 3 no doubt in my mind, but still remains 10 steps behind Sony when coming to the quality, dynamic range and sharpness.

I feel like if Canon really wanted to take over they would just increase the quality on every camera they have down the whole lineup so that no other camera becomes obsolete to the other.

I guess it really might be time to switch Never thought this day would come

Trollllllllllll detected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crap I just fed him

 

[Cthulhu]

So apparently C-Log rates for getting its own standalone SKU. I'll read that again -- a slightly differently hardwared body is getting its own SKU.

Where are you getting this different hardware thing from? If you take your 5d4 to a Canon center you'll be in and out in 30 minutes with Clog.

I'm pretty mind blown that they think they should raise the price for a firmware update.

 

[ahsanford]

Where are you getting this different hardware thing from? If you take your 5d4 to a Canon center you'll be in and out in 30 minutes with Clog.

I'm pretty mind blown that they think they should raise the price for a firmware update.

1) Because the 5D4 body without C-Log has a different Canon part # than the original body without it. To Canon, it is a different product. I don't recall them having done this for other firmware updates.

2) And because they said so: https://youtu.be/Ok8qfgdCDko?t=7m20s

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

Where are you getting this different hardware thing from? If you take your 5d4 to a Canon center you'll be in and out in 30 minutes with Clog.

I'm pretty mind blown that they think they should raise the price for a firmware update.

1) Because the 5D4 body without C-Log has a different Canon part # than the original body without it. To Canon, it is a different product. I don't recall them having done this for other firmware updates.

2) And because they said so: https://youtu.be/Ok8qfgdCDko?t=7m20s

- A

The 1DC is the same, when it got the 'same' firmware updates as the 1DX you had to send it in. Canon are VERY protective of their C line firmware.

There is no 'hardware' component in the upgrade to the C-Log enabled 5 series.

 

[Cthulhu]

Where are you getting this different hardware thing from? If you take your 5d4 to a Canon center you'll be in and out in 30 minutes with Clog.

I'm pretty mind blown that they think they should raise the price for a firmware update.

1) Because the 5D4 body without C-Log has a different Canon part # than the original body without it. To Canon, it is a different product. I don't recall them having done this for other firmware updates.

2) And because they said so: https://youtu.be/Ok8qfgdCDko?t=7m20s

- A

1- so does a refurbished body vs a brand new one, that means nothing.

2- don't believe it for a second, can't imagine what hardware modification they can tear down your camera for and get it back in your hands in 30 minutes. And charge $100.
I'd imagine even if it's basic thermal paste / pads it'd take longer and not justify a $300 price increase.

 

[testthewest]

Well, if this is worth a new SKU, then they can damn well make both an EF mount FF mirrorless and one that's thinner!

That's just a slightly different technical proposition. :

I'm talking about a single targeted delta to a base design that could dramatically expand the appeal of a given brand.

Besides the various lens vs. body kitting options, which entail putting the same camera in numerous boxes, I've only seen the 'same camera with one small change' done a few times on recent nicer rigs:

• For aesthetic / color / external styling reasons (Leica, Fuji, Nikon Df, I'm looking at you)
• For AA removal reasons (5DS vs. 5DS R, D800 vs. D800E)
• For memory card reasons (D5 had XQD and CF versions)

I remain a little dumbfounded that we don't see more of this from the industry, for the option to get (or pay less to not get) 4K, tilty-flippy screens, etc.

- A

So very true! A more customizable product would make alot of complains go away. So anyone who wants 4K can pay for it and spare us the angry comments, and people like me could get their tilty-flippy screens I loke so much on more models. And everybody could choose for themselves if they want a AA filter.
Heck, I would even be fine if their is a main version, and any modification would cost you something.
Isn't Canons tech department large enough to make that a reality?

 

[JBSF]

Those Rumors really killed this "update" for me honestly.. :/ and that's tough for me to say. I've been so patient with Canon while everyone was jumping ship to Sony and still Canon hasn't brought anything significant or major to compete.. Even Nikon is now supposedly making a camera to raise the bar now.. I understand Canon makes a very reliable camera but the sheer lack of image quality always has me feeling left behind.. The mark 4 is truly 5-10 steps better than the Mark 3 no doubt in my mind, but still remains 10 steps behind Sony when coming to the quality, dynamic range and sharpness.

I feel like if Canon really wanted to take over they would just increase the quality on every camera they have down the whole lineup so that no other camera becomes obsolete to the other.

I guess it really might be time to switch Never thought this day would come

Dilbert? Is that you?

 

[WeekendWarrior]

Those Rumors really killed this "update" for me honestly.. :/ and that's tough for me to say. I've been so patient with Canon while everyone was jumping ship to Sony and still Canon hasn't brought anything significant or major to compete.. Even Nikon is now supposedly making a camera to raise the bar now.. I understand Canon makes a very reliable camera but the sheer lack of image quality always has me feeling left behind.. The mark 4 is truly 5-10 steps better than the Mark 3 no doubt in my mind, but still remains 10 steps behind Sony when coming to the quality, dynamic range and sharpness.

I feel like if Canon really wanted to take over they would just increase the quality on every camera they have down the whole lineup so that no other camera becomes obsolete to the other.

I guess it really might be time to switch Never thought this day would come

Trollllllllllll detected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Say what you want, but I've shot with Canon for the last 5 years and spent lots of my money with them. You can probably even dig up a few posts of mine where I was supporting Canon over Sony but my patience has just worn thin.. Can only make excuses for so long

 

[WeekendWarrior]

Those Rumors really killed this "update" for me honestly.. :/ and that's tough for me to say. I've been so patient with Canon while everyone was jumping ship to Sony and still Canon hasn't brought anything significant or major to compete.. Even Nikon is now supposedly making a camera to raise the bar now.. I understand Canon makes a very reliable camera but the sheer lack of image quality always has me feeling left behind.. The mark 4 is truly 5-10 steps better than the Mark 3 no doubt in my mind, but still remains 10 steps behind Sony when coming to the quality, dynamic range and sharpness.

I feel like if Canon really wanted to take over they would just increase the quality on every camera they have down the whole lineup so that no other camera becomes obsolete to the other.

I guess it really might be time to switch Never thought this day would come

What quality do you mean? Overheating and crappy weather sealing are signs of good quality?
Sharpness? Is 50Mpx/noAA of the 5DsR not sharp enough?
DR? Would you mind to post a sample that's not possible to take with a Canon camera due to insufficient DR?

Come on man, lets be honest here.. I've shot with Canon for the last 5 years and having said that I would still be willing to carry an extra battery or two in order to maintain higher image quality/sharper image/more detail in the shadows. I understand the Sony menu sucks, I understand the battery drains faster, and I understand that the Sony will fall apart in the rain/cold weather.. But at the end of the day it's a tool that offers me more image quality. I really wanted to like my 5D4 but It's just reliable... And that's about it.

 

[WeekendWarrior]

Those Rumors really killed this "update" for me honestly.. :/ and that's tough for me to say. I've been so patient with Canon while everyone was jumping ship to Sony and still Canon hasn't brought anything significant or major to compete.. Even Nikon is now supposedly making a camera to raise the bar now.. I understand Canon makes a very reliable camera but the sheer lack of image quality always has me feeling left behind.. The mark 4 is truly 5-10 steps better than the Mark 3 no doubt in my mind, but still remains 10 steps behind Sony when coming to the quality, dynamic range and sharpness.

I feel like if Canon really wanted to take over they would just increase the quality on every camera they have down the whole lineup so that no other camera becomes obsolete to the other.

I guess it really might be time to switch Never thought this day would come

Dilbert? Is that you?

I'm not terribly sure what a Dilbert is, so I'll have to look that one up.

 

[ahsanford]

The 1DC is the same, when it got the 'same' firmware updates as the 1DX you had to send it in. Canon are VERY protective of their C line firmware.

There is no 'hardware' component in the upgrade to the C-Log enabled 5 series.

Wow. It's just firmware, but non-public firmware you pay for? That would explain the separate SKUs.

- A

 

[MayaTlab]

The 1DC is the same, when it got the 'same' firmware updates as the 1DX you had to send it in. Canon are VERY protective of their C line firmware.

There is no 'hardware' component in the upgrade to the C-Log enabled 5 series.

Wow. It's just firmware, but non-public firmware you pay for? That would explain the separate SKUs.

- A

It has been confirmed to DPreview that the 5D IV without C-log and 5D IV with C-log are exactly the same regarding hardware. C-log on the 5D IV is just a software update :

https://www.dpreview.com/news/9160679900/canon-will-add-c-log-to-the-eos-5d-mark-iv-for-99

The reason you don't (or at least shouldn't) see multiple SKUs for various things is that cameras are items typically sold "in stock", and dealers would have to carry the right amount of stock for each SKU. Canon already royally screwed up the demand ratio between the 5DS and 5DSR at launch (despite very clear indications that the 5DSR would be the preferred version), if they had to manage this multiplied by ten for various reasons, it would be a complete mess.

The stock issue is also why I think that having different SKUs for the exact same hardware is a rather stupid idea, and I even hadn't considered the effect of rebates and refurb cameras.

 

[Zv]

Those Rumors really killed this "update" for me honestly.. :/ and that's tough for me to say. I've been so patient with Canon while everyone was jumping ship to Sony and still Canon hasn't brought anything significant or major to compete.. Even Nikon is now supposedly making a camera to raise the bar now.. I understand Canon makes a very reliable camera but the sheer lack of image quality always has me feeling left behind.. The mark 4 is truly 5-10 steps better than the Mark 3 no doubt in my mind, but still remains 10 steps behind Sony when coming to the quality, dynamic range and sharpness.

I feel like if Canon really wanted to take over they would just increase the quality on every camera they have down the whole lineup so that no other camera becomes obsolete to the other.

I guess it really might be time to switch Never thought this day would come

What quality do you mean? Overheating and crappy weather sealing are signs of good quality?
Sharpness? Is 50Mpx/noAA of the 5DsR not sharp enough?
DR? Would you mind to post a sample that's not possible to take with a Canon camera due to insufficient DR?

Come on man, lets be honest here.. I've shot with Canon for the last 5 years and having said that I would still be willing to carry an extra battery or two in order to maintain higher image quality/sharper image/more detail in the shadows. I understand the Sony menu sucks, I understand the battery drains faster, and I understand that the Sony will fall apart in the rain/cold weather.. But at the end of the day it's a tool that offers me more image quality. I really wanted to like my 5D4 but It's just reliable... And that's about it.

JUST reliable? Ummm I'd take reliable over any other attribute. Least you know it won't let you down when it matters most - when actually taking pictures! What use is a camera that doesn't work?

 

[IglooEater]

JUST reliable? Ummm I'd take reliable over any other attribute. Least you know it won't let you down when it matters most - when actually taking pictures! What use is a camera that doesn't work?

I've said a few times; a camera with a dead battery has zero features. And no image quality. (Film cameras aside .
Same goes for one that is malfunctioning.

 

[transpo1]

Paying $300 for log: no. Paying $300 for less crop in 4K (1.3x for instance) plus log: yes.

 

[Jopa]

The 1DC is the same, when it got the 'same' firmware updates as the 1DX you had to send it in. Canon are VERY protective of their C line firmware.

There is no 'hardware' component in the upgrade to the C-Log enabled 5 series.

Wow. It's just firmware, but non-public firmware you pay for? That would explain the separate SKUs.

- A

How they are going to update it in the future? Maintaining two separate versions for the regular mk4 and mk4C? It could be something else besides firmware...

 

[Jopa]

Those Rumors really killed this "update" for me honestly.. :/ and that's tough for me to say. I've been so patient with Canon while everyone was jumping ship to Sony and still Canon hasn't brought anything significant or major to compete.. Even Nikon is now supposedly making a camera to raise the bar now.. I understand Canon makes a very reliable camera but the sheer lack of image quality always has me feeling left behind.. The mark 4 is truly 5-10 steps better than the Mark 3 no doubt in my mind, but still remains 10 steps behind Sony when coming to the quality, dynamic range and sharpness.

I feel like if Canon really wanted to take over they would just increase the quality on every camera they have down the whole lineup so that no other camera becomes obsolete to the other.

I guess it really might be time to switch Never thought this day would come

What quality do you mean? Overheating and crappy weather sealing are signs of good quality?
Sharpness? Is 50Mpx/noAA of the 5DsR not sharp enough?
DR? Would you mind to post a sample that's not possible to take with a Canon camera due to insufficient DR?

Come on man, lets be honest here.. I've shot with Canon for the last 5 years and having said that I would still be willing to carry an extra battery or two in order to maintain higher image quality/sharper image/more detail in the shadows. I understand the Sony menu sucks, I understand the battery drains faster, and I understand that the Sony will fall apart in the rain/cold weather.. But at the end of the day it's a tool that offers me more image quality. I really wanted to like my 5D4 but It's just reliable... And that's about it.

Let's be honest indeed. I don't think Sony menu sucks, it's just different. Shooting Sony cameras also about 5 years I don't see any problem there. I don't really understand what did you mean by higher image quality/sharper image. DR alone doesn't make better image. Any sensor made after 2008 paired with a great lens will deliver a great result. The rest depends on shooting technique (light, composition, common sense) and processing technique. If you are NOT trolling, please post a picture you've taken with a Canon camera, and tell us what exactly you don't like. If you ARE trolling, please disregard my request

 

[ahsanford]

Let's be honest indeed. I don't think Sony menu sucks, it's just different. Shooting Sony cameras also about 5 years I don't see any problem there. I don't really understand what did you mean by higher image quality/sharper image. DR alone doesn't make better image. Any sensor made after 2008 paired with a great lens will deliver a great result. The rest depends on shooting technique (light, composition, common sense) and processing technique. If you are NOT trolling, please post a picture you've taken with a Canon camera, and tell us what exactly you don't like. If you ARE trolling, please disregard my request

Jopa, you don't understand -- he/she wants north of 36 MP AND the ability to horrifically underexpose an image and push it 5 stops in post.

You know, like any reasonable person would want. :

- A

 

[ahsanford]

How they are going to update it in the future? Maintaining two separate versions for the regular mk4 and mk4C? It could be something else besides firmware...

Was wondering about that myself. I suppose some version specific firmware could cover that, but one would think the C-Log magic is in *that* firmware as well. That would imply every firmware update to the C-Log version of the body -- for the life of the product -- would need to go back into the shop, wouldn't it?

1) How did this work on prior Canon-installed-only firmware tweaks? Is the firmware secretly partitioned in a way that you can drop general firmware updates on top of it without scrubbing the costly secret sauce that was in there before?

2) Are we sure it's just firmware? :

- A

 

[Loswr]

I've been so patient with Canon while everyone was jumping ship to Sony

You do realize that Sony has been losing market share to Canon, right? Sucks when reality punches your argument in the face, doesn't it?

I guess it really might be time to switch

Well, if you play with the contrast and saturation, the grass really can be greaner.

Bye.