Production of the EOS 5D Mark III Finished? [CR2]

[Etienne]

If you don't need megapickles, the 5Ds is not worth the upgrade from the 5D3, and if it's megapickles you really need, then both the Nikon and the Sony give better results.

If you habitually drastically underexpose your images, want to try and salvage them in post by extreme exposure pushing, and are willing to tolerate the effect that has on tonality...by all means, Nikon or Sony are a better choice.

Oh lord ... puhlleeaasee ... photographers have been lifting shadows since they first turned on an enlarger. Why would you NOT want the option?

 

[Loswr]

If you don't need megapickles, the 5Ds is not worth the upgrade from the 5D3, and if it's megapickles you really need, then both the Nikon and the Sony give better results.

If you habitually drastically underexpose your images, want to try and salvage them in post by extreme exposure pushing, and are willing to tolerate the effect that has on tonality...by all means, Nikon or Sony are a better choice.

Oh lord ... puhlleeaasee ... photographers have been lifting shadows since they first turned on an enlarger. Why would you NOT want the option?

Did you miss the words drastic and extreme? I can lift shadows in Canon images sufficiently to produce the effects I need, just as I did with dodging many years ago. Sure, more is always better and I'd welcome it if it came without tradeoffs...but that's not the case.

 

[Etienne]

If you don't need megapickles, the 5Ds is not worth the upgrade from the 5D3, and if it's megapickles you really need, then both the Nikon and the Sony give better results.

If you habitually drastically underexpose your images, want to try and salvage them in post by extreme exposure pushing, and are willing to tolerate the effect that has on tonality...by all means, Nikon or Sony are a better choice.

Oh lord ... puhlleeaasee ... photographers have been lifting shadows since they first turned on an enlarger. Why would you NOT want the option?

Did you miss the words drastic and extreme? I can lift shadows in Canon images sufficiently to produce the effects I need, just as I did with dodging many years ago. Sure, more is always better and I'd welcome it if it came without tradeoffs...but that's not the case.

I'm a Canon fan, with lots of Canon gear that I have no intention of selling. But I recognize that Nikon and Sony are offering some great products too, some of which are beating Canon in some categories ... for now. .. and I want Canon to be the best at everything.
Any way, at the end of the day, I stay with Canon for several very important reasons: the Canon system gets the job I need done better, easier and more reliably in wider variety of situations and needs than the competition. But Sony and Nikon still beat Canon on some parameters ... and if they were of ultimate importance to me, I'd go with them. But I want it all; I want my Canon gear to be the best at everything, and right now it is not.

 

[Loswr]

If you don't need megapickles, the 5Ds is not worth the upgrade from the 5D3, and if it's megapickles you really need, then both the Nikon and the Sony give better results.

If you habitually drastically underexpose your images, want to try and salvage them in post by extreme exposure pushing, and are willing to tolerate the effect that has on tonality...by all means, Nikon or Sony are a better choice.

Oh lord ... puhlleeaasee ... photographers have been lifting shadows since they first turned on an enlarger. Why would you NOT want the option?

Did you miss the words drastic and extreme? I can lift shadows in Canon images sufficiently to produce the effects I need, just as I did with dodging many years ago. Sure, more is always better and I'd welcome it if it came without tradeoffs...but that's not the case.

I'm a Canon fan, with lots of Canon gear that I have no intention of selling. But I recognize that Nikon and Sony are offering some great products too, some of which are beating Canon in some categories ... for now. .. and I want Canon to be the best at everything.
Any way, at the end of the day, I stay with Canon for several very important reasons: the Canon system gets the job I need done better, easier and more reliably in wider variety of situations and needs than the competition. But Sony and Nikon still beat Canon on some parameters ... and if they were of ultimate importance to me, I'd go with them. But I want it all; I want my Canon gear to be the best at everything, and right now it is not.

I agree with the latter sentiment, which is at odds with, "...if it's megapickles you really need, then both the Nikon and the Sony give better results." Probably semantics – some people fixate on pixels, to me 'results' means pictures, not pixels.

Edit: you're also using DPR's biased reviews as 'evidence', which as the above discussion suggests is unwise.

 

[Etienne]

If you don't need megapickles, the 5Ds is not worth the upgrade from the 5D3, and if it's megapickles you really need, then both the Nikon and the Sony give better results.

If you habitually drastically underexpose your images, want to try and salvage them in post by extreme exposure pushing, and are willing to tolerate the effect that has on tonality...by all means, Nikon or Sony are a better choice.

Oh lord ... puhlleeaasee ... photographers have been lifting shadows since they first turned on an enlarger. Why would you NOT want the option?

Did you miss the words drastic and extreme? I can lift shadows in Canon images sufficiently to produce the effects I need, just as I did with dodging many years ago. Sure, more is always better and I'd welcome it if it came without tradeoffs...but that's not the case.

I'm a Canon fan, with lots of Canon gear that I have no intention of selling. But I recognize that Nikon and Sony are offering some great products too, some of which are beating Canon in some categories ... for now. .. and I want Canon to be the best at everything.
Any way, at the end of the day, I stay with Canon for several very important reasons: the Canon system gets the job I need done better, easier and more reliably in wider variety of situations and needs than the competition. But Sony and Nikon still beat Canon on some parameters ... and if they were of ultimate importance to me, I'd go with them. But I want it all; I want my Canon gear to be the best at everything, and right now it is not.

I agree with the latter sentiment, which is at odds with, "...if it's megapickles you really need, then both the Nikon and the Sony give better results." Probably semantics – some people fixate on pixels, to me 'results' means pictures, not pixels.

Edit: you're also using DPR's biased reviews as 'evidence', which as the above discussion suggests is unwise.

High megapixel (landscape, fashion, whatever) is not really my thing, but a lot of high megapixel people are singing the Nikon and Sony song, so I have to take their word for it. And some journalists and videographers prefer Sony for 4K video and high frame rates, which is something I would really like, but at the moment I prefer Canon color over Sony (for video), and Canon's DPAF for video seems to have the edge and this is important to me. But I still want Canon to offer the best frame rates and also 4K at least in the 5DIV and C100 mk III. Time will tell

 

[Sporgon]

comparing your 5D2 to PBD's pics to DPR's and the size of that little red square I'm coming to the conclusion that it's not banding in Rishi's pic it's grass ;D

No doubt grass has something to do with it, but it's more likely he'd been smoking it

 

[RickWagoner]

Nikon has a D810 successor coming this year...and Canon knows it.

 

[tron]

comparing your 5D2 to PBD's pics to DPR's and the size of that little red square I'm coming to the conclusion that it's not banding in Rishi's pic it's grass ;D

No doubt grass has something to do with it, but it's more likely he'd been smoking it

Or he is looking the grass on the other side and it seems greener ;D

 

[jeffa4444]

Just returned from South Africa shooting big game & birds at the tail end of a business trip. Decided to take the 5Ds as it has the cropping mode rather than my 6D. As those that have been on these trips know game is best sought around sunset & dawn both of which mean you raising ISO and with long lenses which you wish to match or exceed shutter speeds with higher ISOs come into play more often.
My results are a mixed bag & Im sure some was down to my own technique as Im predominately a landscape photographer and not used to welding a 100-400mm L zoom. The 5Ds allows you to crop agressively as long as the ISO is below 800ISO anything above that and the noise & sharpness suffer dramatically. On shots of Leopard just before it was totally dark at some 500m from the vehicle Ive got pictures that I can just about live with and I know if I had used the 6D I would have had more useable ISO but less resolution to enlarge with so likely been in the same place.
The 5Ds is a great camera for landscape, portraits, macro etc. but an average camera in low light for game Ive learned this past weekend. In some decent light the shots I took of birds are stunning, the crops in cases were large yet retain great detail & sharpness. Shots of Elephant across a watering hole late afternoon are equally impressive.
So in the 5D MKIV I would like to see better low light ISO with a small incremental increase in MP over the 6D / 5D MKIII to exploit the newer L lenses potential.

 

[rrcphoto]

Of course in the real world MILC sales are flat and Canon's market share keeps growing.

Think you got confused writing this. Its more like the opposite.

MILC sales increased from 2014 to 15 both in market share (from around 1-in-5 to around 1-in-4 of worldwide ILC sales) and even slightly in absolute numbers.

DSLR sales again were down 2014 to 2015 (for once only by a few percent).

However, according to Canon their ILC unit sales fell with much more - a full 12% in 2015. Because Canon's mirrorless sales does not account for much of their overall sales (and actually should have gone up if Canon mirrorless follows the market norm) Canon DSLR's are in fact loosing market share to both mirrorless overall and to their specific DSLR competitors.

All this in spite of my own two Canon DSLR purchases last year...

Nice try, but no.

LOL! OK I used Canon investor relations sales numbers and LensVid global camera sales numbers.

And you... rather just be blind to the facts?

maybe he's waiting for you to have some.

for starters .. it's not "sales" it's "shipments" recorded by CIPA.

since there are 9 vendors shipping new MILC's versus really just two shipping new DSLR's on an annual basis, there's a little leaning of those results in favor of MILC's, since vendors usually ship the most on product announcement, because that's when the most interest is.

secondly it wasn't as dramatic of an increase as you suggested:

it went from 23.5% to 24.9%

as a matter of fact, it's only gone from 20.1% to 24.9%over the course of 2012 through 2015.

however, that's with these facts:

- Sony stopped shipping mass quantities of DSLR's - that amounted to around a 11-13% marketshare overall.
- Multiple vendors started to ship mirrorless in mass quantities, including Canon and Fuji.

Taking into account Sony, suggests that the market really hasn't grown - just Sony STOPPING to ship mass amounts of DSLT's and not shipping ANYTHING at all would account for a 5% marketshare gain for mirrorless - by default of doing nothing.

 

[dolina]

My personal speculation on the 5D3 replacement
CFast 2.0 + UHS-II bus SD memory card slots
Between 24-51MP
ISO 100-51,200; Expansion to 204,800
Around 10fps
Same AF as 1D X Mark II
4K resolution video
Single DIGIC 6+
Built-in GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth or NFC
MSRP of between $2,500-3,400
Ships before December 2016

 

[Loswr]

Between 24-51MP

Now that's a specific guess!

 

[dolina]

Between 24-51MP

Now that's a specific guess!

Someone has to make you react.

 

[darynthe]

Hi everyone I'm new to the forum. Thanks for keeping these discussions and rumors!

I wanted to chip in and mention that I am anxious for an upgrade for my 6d. I may even consider the 5d IV if comes before even if pricey, I am just sick of the focusing system in my 6d!! If only there was a way to update just the focusing system... (Otherwise the best camera ever.)

I am just missing great shots with my 85L 1.2 which is my favorite lens. I wonder if it would do better with something like the 1dx MII (out of my budget of course).

Is there any hope of a great AF in the 6DII?

 

[MrFotoFool]

Hi everyone I'm new to the forum. Thanks for keeping these discussions and rumors!

I wanted to chip in and mention that I am anxious for an upgrade for my 6d. I may even consider the 5d IV if comes before even if pricey, I am just sick of the focusing system in my 6d!! If only there was a way to update just the focusing system... (Otherwise the best camera ever.)

I am just missing great shots with my 85L 1.2 which is my favorite lens. I wonder if it would do better with something like the 1dx MII (out of my budget of course).

Is there any hope of a great AF in the 6DII?

I have no experience with 6D, but I traded in my 5d2 for the 5d3 (on sale a while back) because of the focus. The 5d2 had poor autofocus with a tracking (AI) mode that was literally unusable. The 5D3 focus is great and this may be the last SLR I buy. If and when the 6D2 comes out, I imagine it will be just as good.

I should also note that some say the 85L does not have as good autofocus as other Canon lenses (I have not used one myself).

 

[midluk]

CFast 2.0 + UHS-II bus SD memory card slots

No, it will only have UHS-I, just to annoy you (but it will write up to 90MiB/s to SD).

 

[tron]

CFast 2.0 + UHS-II bus SD memory card slots

No, it will only have UHS-I, just to annoy you (but it will write up to 90MiB/s to SD).

And to annoy even more it will also have CF (but it will write up to 150MB/s to CF).

;D ;D ;D

P.S On the positive side existing 5D3 users will not have to upgrade their cards 8)

 

[slclick]

CFast 2.0 + UHS-II bus SD memory card slots

No, it will only have UHS-I, just to annoy you (but it will write up to 90MiB/s to SD).

And to annoy even more it will also have CF (but it will write up to 150MB/s to CF).

;D ;D ;D

P.S On the positive side existing 5D3 users will not have to upgrade their cards 8)

Seriously, I love not having body G.A.S. Now lenses...that's quite different.

 

[jeffa4444]

Hi everyone I'm new to the forum. Thanks for keeping these discussions and rumors!

I wanted to chip in and mention that I am anxious for an upgrade for my 6d. I may even consider the 5d IV if comes before even if pricey, I am just sick of the focusing system in my 6d!! If only there was a way to update just the focusing system... (Otherwise the best camera ever.)

I am just missing great shots with my 85L 1.2 which is my favorite lens. I wonder if it would do better with something like the 1dx MII (out of my budget of course).

Is there any hope of a great AF in the 6DII?

I really believe Canon made the 6D as a full-frame travel camera with a reduced specification to offer it at a price point just north of the 70D. It AF has never been as issue for me as I use it for landscape and travel and part of that is manual focus. It does have a great sensor for its price point and IQ wise is equal & in some cases better than the 5D MKIII (low light). Its not an action camera and doesnt have the AF control that the 5D MKIII / 5DS has. What I would expect is the MKII version gets 45 all cross type AF like they have just announced on the 80D anything less and they will be lambasted and rightly so given its still well short of the 61 points on the 5D series and 1DX series.
The 6D is one of my all time favorite Canon cameras its ideal as a mix between full frame & lighter weight but rugged construction with the added benefit of wi-fi and GPS both of which are missing on the 5D MKIII and the newer 5DS.

 

[darynthe]

I should also note that some say the 85L does not have as good autofocus as other Canon lenses (I have not used one myself).

You're totally right there, this is the reason. You cannot use the recompose technique with this lens at 1.2
So children portraiture is extremely difficult, for instance as the 6d has only 9 AF points and just one cross-type.
To be honest it wasn't a problem with me before....