Quad Pixel Autofocus is ready for production [CR1]

[Maximilian]

... I found myself heavily favoring the R6mkii instead of the R5. In the end, I didn't pull the trigger because I thought the next gen is just around the corner. With the R6mkii ist the dial and the pixel count that actually bothered me. If the R5mkii really gets a mp bump to 61 MP, I hope the R6mkiii gets 30-34 MP. ...

As you still can get discounts I'll recommend reconsidering your decision.
I am quite happy with the 24 MP of my R6m2 for my birding and insect photography.
The R5m2 will be at least as expensive as the R5 at the start.
And an R6m3 is more than 2 or 3 years away.
A long time for you, maybe.
So if you are not willing to pay as much as the R5 did cost at the start for an R5m2 and if you don't need/want that 45 or 61 MP, you'll have to wait quite long for your about 30 MP and just maybe QPAF in a far away R6m2.
Of course, it is your time, money and need/desire
And just my 2 cents

 

[Richard CR]

AF point-linked spot metering.

that's just crazy talk.

 

[DBounce]

I hope they'll differentiate in pricing.
The R1 should cost much more than the stunningly inexpensive R5 II...

$6k for the R5 Mk2 and $12K for the R1? That’s pretty different

 

[FabFR]

To be a technological break, I do hope this QPAF wil outperform DPAF in all aspects !

More, is this technology the best today, in front of Sony's technology for instance ?

Sony shares 1st place on the podium with Canon (and Nikon seems to be very close to them) for AF performances, so if Canon doesn't propose extreme AF perfs with R1, they will be bashed (as usual !!)! Because now they don't mostly fight with AF performances, there's a new subject : Sony has now a global shutter, they are the fastest sensors manufacturer ! It'll be very hard for Canon to make our mouths falling on the floor with only good AF capabilities !

We're pretty sure A1 and R5II will have stacked sensors and Canon promizes their sensors will satisfy photographers enough to make them forget global-shutter needs ! We'll see, but it's dangerous !

I'm a bit scared by the R1 release, to be honnest ! Sony fanboys are already preparing their laughter reserves ! Canon can't miss the R1 launch and can't prepare "R2" stickers !

 

[jam05]

What ever they release we can be certain that Canon will not release anything with nearly 2 stops less of Dynamic Range, drastically reduce the naitive ISO and call it innovation with a recycled 1975 invention selling it at $6000 +. That aint gonna cut it in 2024.

 

[Berowne]

The rebates are great. Those who are until now not in the R-System may buy - a R6. My trusted dealer in Frankfurt am Main sells it for 1400€. It is the tech of the 1DxIII in a small body, for this price a no-brainer. Save the rest for glass and remember your kids need gifts for Christmas.

 

[DrD]

R5 II with dual CF Express type B, stacked sensor (45 MP+ I'm not fussed) plus QPAF and priced 4500 euros (so around 4k US$ to 4200) and I will order one immediately. The eye AF from the R3 will likely appear in the R1 for sure, but if not also offered on the R5 II, then so be it. Not a deal breaker for me. Incremental improvements in low light performance and DR would be expected, and probably some tweaking of the LP-E6NH no doubt. The mark one R5 certainly delivered a lot more than many people expected, however, we should expect evolution of existing specs and not revolutionary new features. Also I would like to see some tweaks to certain aspects of the video recording features - more frame rate options and perhaps better codecs? After all, the Z8 can record ProRes 4:2:2 HQ internally, so the R5 II should too. No point adding new features to cameras if they require computers that cost more (than the camera bodies) to edit the captured footage.

 

[John Wilde]

It's clear that the R1 sensor needs to be something special, so QPAF makes sense.

 

[Zigot]

Things that I am looking for with those R1 and R5ii:
- Improve on low light
- Better DR
- Better AF and AF tracking ( against busy background for instance )
- Pre-capture
- More MPx is always a plus for what I am shooting.
- Eye AF is nice if it works properly and that will help with AF speed and accuracy in certain way.

 

[Del Paso]

To be a technological break, I do hope this QPAF wil outperform DPAF in all aspects !

More, is this technology the best today, in front of Sony's technology for instance ?

Sony shares 1st place on the podium with Canon (and Nikon seems to be very close to them) for AF performances, so if Canon doesn't propose extreme AF perfs with R1, they will be bashed (as usual !!)! Because now they don't mostly fight with AF performances, there's a new subject : Sony has now a global shutter, they are the fastest sensors manufacturer ! It'll be very hard for Canon to make our mouths falling on the floor with only good AF capabilities !

We're pretty sure A1 and R5II will have stacked sensors and Canon promizes their sensors will satisfy photographers enough to make them forget global-shutter needs ! We'll see, but it's dangerous !

I'm a bit scared by the R1 release, to be honnest ! Sony fanboys are already preparing their laughter reserves ! Canon can't miss the R1 launch and can't prepare "R2" stickers !

1st place on the podium with 250 native ISO, and less DR than almost every competitor ????
If this is Sony's best technology, welcome to digital stone-age...

 

[Del Paso]

1st place on the podium with 250 native ISO, and less DR than almost every competitor ???? Sony's latest is, politely expressed, cripple-hammered !

 

[neuroanatomist]

1st place on the podium with 250 native ISO, and less DR than almost every competitor ????

Does anyone actually care about DR?

 

[Del Paso]

Does anyone actually care about DR?

Less has become better!

 

[Exploreshootshare]

As you still can get discounts I'll recommend reconsidering your decision.
I am quite happy with the 24 MP of my R6m2 for my birding and insect photography.
The R5m2 will be at least as expensive as the R5 at the start.
And an R6m3 is more than 2 or 3 years away.
A long time for you, maybe.
So if you are not willing to pay as much as the R5 did cost at the start for an R5m2 and if you don't need/want that 45 or 61 MP, you'll have to wait quite long for your about 30 MP and just maybe QPAF in a far away R6m2.
Of course, it is your time, money and need/desire
And just my 2 cents

Hehe, I am actually reconsidering...

- Are the 24MP sufficient enough for cropping with wild-life or sports?

I do believe in R6mkiii at the end of 2025 (three year cycle), which would be great for me because I'm currently saving up for a wedding and a honeymoon spending 2k plus is not the best way to go at the moment considering locations fees and prices for weddings in southern part of Germany.

 

[koenkooi]

Hehe, I am actually reconsidering...

- Are the 24MP sufficient enough for cropping with wild-life or sports?

I do believe in R6mkiii at the end of 2025 (three year cycle), which would be great for me because I'm currently saving up for a wedding and a honeymoon spending 2k plus is not the best way to go at the moment considering locations fees and prices for weddings in southern part of Germany.

My R8 has impressive pixel level sharpness, the lowpass filters on recent sensors are nicely weak.
It’s still only 24MP, but a very detailed 24MP

 

[Exploreshootshare]

My R8 has impressive pixel level sharpness, the lowpass filters on recent sensors are nicely weak.
It’s still only 24MP, but a very detailed 24MP

Thx for the input. I looked at the R8, but after having used the R7 over the summer (which I now sold to my soon to be father-in-law) I absolutely fell in love with having a joystick! One of the two things seriously missing from the R. Therefore, R8 is not for me, but still a very impressive package.

 

[FabFR]

1st place on the podium with 250 native ISO, and less DR than almost every competitor ????
If this is Sony's best technology, welcome to digital stone-age...

I said 1st place with Canon for AF, not for a whole !

 

[koenkooi]

Thx for the input. I looked at the R8, but after having used the R7 over the summer (which I now sold to my soon to be father-in-law) I absolutely fell in love with having a joystick! One of the two things seriously missing from the R. Therefore, R8 is not for me, but still a very impressive package.

The R6II you’re coveting has the exact same sensor as the R8, which is why I mentioned it, not to sway you towards the R8

 

[Del Paso]

I said 1st place with Canon for AF, not for a whole !

Not even that. As usual, Sony keeps hunting for impressive specs, in this case the 1st. global shutter, while neglecting characteristics that really matter.The A9 III will be an easy game for the R1, the R 3 already surclasses it where it matters. DR, ISO, ergonomics... Pros rarely buy spec-sheet cameras. And, apart from the 1st global shutter, many A9 specs are negatively impressive.

 

[Maximilian]

- Are the 24MP sufficient enough for cropping with wild-life or sports?

I suppose it is as usual:
In a lot of cases it is sufficient, and sometimes you wish you have a 100MP sensor for this one pic.
I think you can recognize the sensor performance with this and this dragonfly post of mine.