Red AF in AI-Servo fixed in 1D-X before 5D Mk III

[spinworkxroy]

I honestly doubt Canon updated the 1DX because people asked for it..well maybe partitally.
it's about matching your competition..
The 1dX's competition is the Nikon D4 and the 1DX beats it in every aspect except the f8 autofocusing…

On the other hand Nikon doesn't have anything to match the 5D3 in what it was made to do.
And Canon doesn't yet anything to match the D800 in what that does. To me, they're both not cameras to be compared with..same price but not same purpose.
So having said that, updating the 1DX, not only because it's the pro's camera but because it has to be the best Pro camera out there and this update confirmed it even more.

The 5D3 on the other hand, i doubt Canon will update it..there's no need to improve something that there's no competition for...

 

[AmbientLight]

Canon wouldn't provide firmware upgrades the way they did for the 7D and the 1D-X, if they weren't dedicated to deliver to their customer base, irrespective of competition, because I don't see any competition for the 7D.

The f8 issue, although quite important for me, isn't everyone's cup of tea, especially since f8 autofocus has previously been available in 1-series cameras anyway, so I think this fix still applies to 1-series only.

Fixing the black and now flashing red focus point issue is important for both 1D-X and 5D Mark III users, so you can expect something like this coming up in a 5D Mark III firmware update as well.

Maybe the solution for the 5D Mark III focus points will even be better than the one provided for the 1D-X, because Canon can react to the initial 1D-X user experiences. In any case I don't see any reason to whine about 5D Mark III users not receiving an update. I expect it is only a matter of time, so get your hopes up!

 

[Razor2012]

I don't know why people still complain about the price difference between the 5DIII & D800. They are totally two different cameras. If they were pretty much identical then you'd have an argument. I feel totally satisfied paying a bit more for better AF, ISO and FPS.

 

[bigmag13]

I know it shouldn't by now, but it always surprises me when people take this stuff personally....

Its been pretty good to see some features being added via firmware to the 7D and now 1DX. I'm sure we'll get something for the 5DIII eventually. In the mean time I'll just have to resign myself to thoroughly enjoying the most versatile camera I have ever owned. Darn those Canon b@stards.

-Brian

+1

 

[rpt]

a simple firmware update

There is no such thing as a "simple" firmware update.

Software is complicated. Adding features without breaking anything else is very difficult. And verifying software is unbelievably difficult.

Some are better at it than others. But you definitely want "correct" much more than you want "soon".

+1 +1 and +1

 

[infared]

I couldn't have said it better

Never mind the AF at f.8 limited tele lenses, just correct the red illumination issue already!

Grr

I totally agree. The 5DIII is a $3500 camera body. Let me say that AGAIN. The 5DIII is a $3500 camera body!
It is touted as an exceptional tool to make images with. The feature should be there in THIS camera body. Period.
The fact that this feature was changed/overlooked is embarrassing. ...but then Canon has been doing a LOT of embarrassing things lately and overcharging for them, too. Take the "M" for instance...........

 

[Bombsight]

You get what you pay for .... never fails.

Funny how the 5DMK3 owners couldnt be happier with the decision they made not long ago (5DMK3 instead of "overpiced 1DX) .... Now, all of a sudden, the monetarily ugly child in the family gets a little exra attention and the pretty daughters start whinning. :

Happy with MY decision of a 1DX ... and throwing it back on all of those who blasted it for one reason or another.

So 5DMK3 is a cheap camera that does not have to be updated?

I dont know about the "Updated" part but, back when all of the new 5D3 owners felt like they got a great deal because there was only a 1-1.5 stop difference between the 5D3 and the 1DX .... and it was an unnecessary expense for frame rate only, the 5D3 owners thought they stole something from Canon. :

I see a lot of 5D3's being sold soon if Canon says no to the "pretty daughters".

 

[Razor2012]

You get what you pay for .... never fails.

Funny how the 5DMK3 owners couldnt be happier with the decision they made not long ago (5DMK3 instead of "overpiced 1DX) .... Now, all of a sudden, the monetarily ugly child in the family gets a little exra attention and the pretty daughters start whinning. :

Happy with MY decision of a 1DX ... and throwing it back on all of those who blasted it for one reason or another.

So 5DMK3 is a cheap camera that does not have to be updated?

I dont know about the "Updated" part but, back when all of the new 5D3 owners felt like they got a great deal because there was only a 1-1.5 stop difference between the 5D3 and the 1DX .... and it was an unnecessary expense for frame rate only, the 5D3 owners thought they stole something from Canon. :

I see a lot of 5D3's being sold soon if Canon says no to the "pretty daughters".

Don't make assumptions, I wasn't one of those people.

 

[tron]

You get what you pay for .... never fails.

Funny how the 5DMK3 owners couldnt be happier with the decision they made not long ago (5DMK3 instead of "overpiced 1DX) .... Now, all of a sudden, the monetarily ugly child in the family gets a little exra attention and the pretty daughters start whinning. :

Happy with MY decision of a 1DX ... and throwing it back on all of those who blasted it for one reason or another.

So 5DMK3 is a cheap camera that does not have to be updated?

I dont know about the "Updated" part but, back when all of the new 5D3 owners felt like they got a great deal because there was only a 1-1.5 stop difference between the 5D3 and the 1DX .... and it was an unnecessary expense for frame rate only, the 5D3 owners thought they stole something from Canon. :

I see a lot of 5D3's being sold soon if Canon says no to the "pretty daughters".

The 1Dx does not offer only 1stop of improvement. It offers speed and reliability and these are what a professional photographer needs.

I do not know (or care) in which thread these declarations were made and how many people had written so.
However, your comments imply a kind of satisfaction and "revenge" (couldn't think of a more suitable word, I apologize for that) and they are rather childish. They do not even seem to come from a photographer. Enjoy your 1Dx

 

[dawgfanjeff]

a simple firmware update

There is no such thing as a "simple" firmware update.

Software is complicated. Adding features without breaking anything else is very difficult. And verifying software is unbelievably difficult.

Some are better at it than others. But you definitely want "correct" much more than you want "soon".

+1 +1 and +1

Very true. As somebody who manages an enterprise dev shop in a Fortune 100, I certainly appreciate the costs of gathering requirements, performing development, validating in QA, user acceptance testing, etc... It's certainly not as simple as just turning something on and posting the new fw to the website and being done with it. As with anything, the hard part is making it look easy.
As a 5DIII owner, I certainly appreciate why Canon targeted the 1DX first. Those users pay, in part, for the privilege of getting fixes and updates first. If i were a IDx user, I'd be scratching my head ad the 5DIII users getting it first.

 

[Bombsight]

The 1Dx does not offer only 1stop of improvement. It offers speed and reliability and these are what a professional photographer needs.

I do not know (or care) in which thread these declarations were made and how many people had written so.
However, your comments imply a kind of satisfaction and "revenge" and they are rather childish. Enjoy your 1Dx

1. It's abilities I know well.

2. That's what I thought of all the comments by 5D3 owners at the time. Just rubbin' it back on 'em after the "salt bath" of every 1DX thread in the past. A classic Eddie Murphy & the bread sandwich syndrome ... Eddie Murphy On McDonalds

3. Know that I AM a photographer ... & Thank you.
I will.

 

[jdavis37]

FWIW.. saw the comments on CR home page regarding 5D3 and AF:

>>If you remember the story about getting f/8 to work on the EOS-1D X with a Kenko teleconverter, Arthur Morris was unable to make the EOS 5D Mark III do the same thing with the exact same teleconverter. The fact that Canon hasn’t updated both cameras at the same time tells me there are indeed differences in the AF systems. I am reminded only the EOS-1 line has ever had f/8 autofocus, so it may not be something that gets added to the 5D Mark III anyway.<<

When I had my 2X TC II (Canon) and 1.4X TC ( both Canon II's.. now have the 1.4X II and 2X III), I was able to get somewhat decent Af stacking the TC's with my 300 F2.8 so I know the camera has some F8 AF ability. using 1.4X TC with 100-400L, however, results in nothing. Does not even try to AF.

I hope Canon does decide to bring F8 AF to the 5D3 but if I were a gambling person I would bet they won't, regardless of whether or not it is doable. That said a $3K body should be worthy of such a feature given nikon has F8 Af in the $2K realm.

But I can say I was able to stack TC's on my 5D3 with 300F2.8 IS and got good to fair AF. Going to keep fingers crossed on the F8 AF but won't hold my breath!

 

[tron]

FWIW.. saw the comments on CR home page regarding 5D3 and AF:

>>If you remember the story about getting f/8 to work on the EOS-1D X with a Kenko teleconverter, Arthur Morris was unable to make the EOS 5D Mark III do the same thing with the exact same teleconverter. The fact that Canon hasn’t updated both cameras at the same time tells me there are indeed differences in the AF systems. I am reminded only the EOS-1 line has ever had f/8 autofocus, so it may not be something that gets added to the 5D Mark III anyway.<<

When I had my 2X TC II (Canon) and 1.4X TC ( both Canon II's.. now have the 1.4X II and 2X III), I was able to get somewhat decent Af stacking the TC's with my 300 F2.8 so I know the camera has some F8 AF ability. using 1.4X TC with 100-400L, however, results in nothing. Does not even try to AF.

I hope Canon does decide to bring F8 AF to the 5D3 but if I were a gambling person I would bet they won't, regardless of whether or not it is doable. That said a $3K body should be worthy of such a feature given nikon has F8 Af in the $2K realm.

But I can say I was able to stack TC's on my 5D3 with 300F2.8 IS and got good to fair AF. Going to keep fingers crossed on the F8 AF but won't hold my breath!

F/8 should be available for 1Dx from the very beginning. Now the AF red illumination is very trivial to be ommited from both cameras. I believe they will fix it on 5D3. Now time will tell about the F/8. Not very likely BUT as you said the cheaper Nikon D800 has it!

 

[Razor2012]

FWIW.. saw the comments on CR home page regarding 5D3 and AF:

>>If you remember the story about getting f/8 to work on the EOS-1D X with a Kenko teleconverter, Arthur Morris was unable to make the EOS 5D Mark III do the same thing with the exact same teleconverter. The fact that Canon hasn’t updated both cameras at the same time tells me there are indeed differences in the AF systems. I am reminded only the EOS-1 line has ever had f/8 autofocus, so it may not be something that gets added to the 5D Mark III anyway.<<

When I had my 2X TC II (Canon) and 1.4X TC ( both Canon II's.. now have the 1.4X II and 2X III), I was able to get somewhat decent Af stacking the TC's with my 300 F2.8 so I know the camera has some F8 AF ability. using 1.4X TC with 100-400L, however, results in nothing. Does not even try to AF.

I hope Canon does decide to bring F8 AF to the 5D3 but if I were a gambling person I would bet they won't, regardless of whether or not it is doable. That said a $3K body should be worthy of such a feature given nikon has F8 Af in the $2K realm.

But I can say I was able to stack TC's on my 5D3 with 300F2.8 IS and got good to fair AF. Going to keep fingers crossed on the F8 AF but won't hold my breath!

F/8 should be available for 1Dx from the very beginning. Now the AF red illumination is very trivial to be ommited from both cameras. I believe they will fix it on 5D3. Now time will tell about the F/8. Not very likely BUT as you said the cheaper Nikon D800 has it!

Heh, there are probably complaints in the Nikon camp that the D800 should have certain features also.

 

[tron]

FWIW.. saw the comments on CR home page regarding 5D3 and AF:

>>If you remember the story about getting f/8 to work on the EOS-1D X with a Kenko teleconverter, Arthur Morris was unable to make the EOS 5D Mark III do the same thing with the exact same teleconverter. The fact that Canon hasn’t updated both cameras at the same time tells me there are indeed differences in the AF systems. I am reminded only the EOS-1 line has ever had f/8 autofocus, so it may not be something that gets added to the 5D Mark III anyway.<<

When I had my 2X TC II (Canon) and 1.4X TC ( both Canon II's.. now have the 1.4X II and 2X III), I was able to get somewhat decent Af stacking the TC's with my 300 F2.8 so I know the camera has some F8 AF ability. using 1.4X TC with 100-400L, however, results in nothing. Does not even try to AF.

I hope Canon does decide to bring F8 AF to the 5D3 but if I were a gambling person I would bet they won't, regardless of whether or not it is doable. That said a $3K body should be worthy of such a feature given nikon has F8 Af in the $2K realm.

But I can say I was able to stack TC's on my 5D3 with 300F2.8 IS and got good to fair AF. Going to keep fingers crossed on the F8 AF but won't hold my breath!

F/8 should be available for 1Dx from the very beginning. Now the AF red illumination is very trivial to be ommited from both cameras. I believe they will fix it on 5D3. Now time will tell about the F/8. Not very likely BUT as you said the cheaper Nikon D800 has it!

Heh, there are probably complaints in the Nikon camp that the D800 should have certain features also.

That's interesting! Do you know which specific features?

 

[jdavis37]

FWIW.. saw the comments on CR home page regarding 5D3 and AF:

>>If you remember the story about getting f/8 to work on the EOS-1D X with a Kenko teleconverter, Arthur Morris was unable to make the EOS 5D Mark III do the same thing with the exact same teleconverter. The fact that Canon hasn’t updated both cameras at the same time tells me there are indeed differences in the AF systems. I am reminded only the EOS-1 line has ever had f/8 autofocus, so it may not be something that gets added to the 5D Mark III anyway.<<

When I had my 2X TC II (Canon) and 1.4X TC ( both Canon II's.. now have the 1.4X II and 2X III), I was able to get somewhat decent Af stacking the TC's with my 300 F2.8 so I know the camera has some F8 AF ability. using 1.4X TC with 100-400L, however, results in nothing. Does not even try to AF.

I hope Canon does decide to bring F8 AF to the 5D3 but if I were a gambling person I would bet they won't, regardless of whether or not it is doable. That said a $3K body should be worthy of such a feature given nikon has F8 Af in the $2K realm.

But I can say I was able to stack TC's on my 5D3 with 300F2.8 IS and got good to fair AF. Going to keep fingers crossed on the F8 AF but won't hold my breath!

F/8 should be available for 1Dx from the very beginning. Now the AF red illumination is very trivial to be ommited from both cameras. I believe they will fix it on 5D3. Now time will tell about the F/8. Not very likely BUT as you said the cheaper Nikon D800 has it!

Heh, there are probably complaints in the Nikon camp that the D800 should have certain features also.

Im no holding my breath re F8AF and 5D3 if history has anything to say about it. Years back Canon refused to put ISO in the viewfinder in their lower bodies even though Nikon's $600 body had it. Each company has certain tendencies and feature sets they protect. it may well be 5D3 simply cannot do it but given my experience with 300 F2.8 + stacked TC's with decent F8AF it seems it is possible. Maybe a $3499 body (less now) is worthy.. time will tell but my guess is it just isn't going to happen. I like the 5D3 silent mode too much to go away from it.. really helps with birds and critters!

 

[tron]

Right now I am not sure that 5DMkIII can handle it. I have 2 old teleconverters one Sigma 1.4X and one Tamron 2X.

I put the 1.4X to my 100-400 and I was able to focus only once inside my home (granted it wasn't very bright but still I had turned on all the lights
o the room (6 X 60W bulbs). I took the picture after many attempts, however then camera displayed Err01 (picture was saved to card).

Now this was my 5DMkII since 5DMkIII couldn't cooperate.

However my2X Tamron was accepted by both cameras (no error and no aperture change).

Since it i was using the 2X teleconverter I tried it with my 24-105 f/4L and my 70-200 f/4L with 5DMkII and 5DMkIII.

Unfortunately neither camera could focus.

So I do not have high hopes. Of course I will be glad to be wrong since I also have Canon EF1.4X II and EF2X II.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

a simple firmware update

There is no such thing as a "simple" firmware update.

Software is complicated. Adding features without breaking anything else is very difficult. And verifying software is unbelievably difficult.

Some are better at it than others. But you definitely want "correct" much more than you want "soon".

+1 +1 and +1

And even after testing it to death, when the firmware gets out to 500,000 users, they find more bugs.

 

[wickidwombat]

this thread deserves this again

Canon 5D vs 1D

 

[rpt]

a simple firmware update

There is no such thing as a "simple" firmware update.

Software is complicated. Adding features without breaking anything else is very difficult. And verifying software is unbelievably difficult.

Some are better at it than others. But you definitely want "correct" much more than you want "soon".

+1 +1 and +1

And even after testing it to death, when the firmware gets out to 500,000 users, they find more bugs.

The thing is when a company pays programmers to write programs, they get two deliverables for the price of one! The first that is being paid for - the software code and the other entirely free - the bugs!