Review: Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III

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douglaurent said:
People here seem to assume that nobody at Canon does care about this website and the forum. That has to be either wrong, or it is correct and would make Canon look stupid as they would not check out social media in the year 2016 for feedback - especially when it's probably the world's best and fastest source for Canon product leaks.

Both ways would prove my points of a) the expectation that they are aware of what is said here, or b) that they are lame and ignorant and don't know what's really going on among many users.

It is safe to say that Canon does not make market decisions based on this website OR the product information leaks.

Canon certainly doesn't follow the rants like: "I would advise Canon to..." Or, "If Canon would listen to my ideas, Canon wouldn't be so lame."

Certainly you live in Alice's Wonderland.

Sony is the answer. ::)
 

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Ryananthony said:
I would think that less then 1% of canon users post on this forum (sure, I'm making numbers up) Either way, in my opinion, the posters on this forum are probably seen as a pretty niche market compared to the over all sales. I only know a few canon photographers, but not one of them has visited a canon forum.

Exactly correct. Probably even less than .1%.
 

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Ryananthony said:
I would think that less then 1% of canon users post on this forum (sure, I'm making numbers up) Either way, in my opinion, the posters on this forum are probably seen as a pretty niche market compared to the over all sales. I only know a few canon photographers, but not one of them has visited a canon forum.

Exactly correct. Probably even less than .1%.

But we're so bright... They should take our posts super seriously.

- A
 

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ahsanford said:
CanonFanBoy said:
Ryananthony said:
I would think that less then 1% of canon users post on this forum (sure, I'm making numbers up) Either way, in my opinion, the posters on this forum are probably seen as a pretty niche market compared to the over all sales. I only know a few canon photographers, but not one of them has visited a canon forum.

Exactly correct. Probably even less than .1%.

But we're so bright... They should take our posts super seriously.

- A

:) :) :) Self important at the least. :) :) :)
 

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It's a simple fact that as a tool becomes more specialist then it's application becomes more limited. The most general of all professional lenses is the 24-70 f2.8 II L. It's the most versatile, but at the same time, it's not a master of anything specific. Compare that to say a 100mm IS L macro. It's a very good macro lens...but it's not very versatile. Compare that again with the 180L macro, which is a very specific macro lens and it becomes even less versatile in other genres.
I've never seen a "one lens" does it all in the wide / ultra wide focal lengths. I've often said that there are three wide lenses that are needed for most situations. 1st, a really good general ultra wide (16-35 f4/f2.8 is doesn't matter). But it needs to be very versatile. Then 2nd a really good fisheye...we all love them when used sparingly. The 8-15L is the last fisheye anyone could ever want. Then a well corrected rectilinear architecture lens for all the things that need straight lines. A 14IIL is a good example, so is the TSe 17L or 11-24L.
With those three wide lenses then there is little that you can't cover in terms of subject matter. Maybe add a 24IIL for low light f1.4 work....but do you see my point? You can't get a lens to be general purpose AND be specific purpose at the same time. You can't get a lens that is both fish eye and rectilinear corrected in one unit.
With my wedding work, I take f2.8 zooms for when it's too bright for f1.2 and f1.4 lenses. If I have to shoot at f4...then I might as well use zooms for the versatility. If it's a bit darker and I can keep the shutter speed under 1/8000th sec...then I break out the fast prime kit bag.
 
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CanonFanBoy said:
douglaurent said:
People here seem to assume that nobody at Canon does care about this website and the forum. That has to be either wrong, or it is correct and would make Canon look stupid as they would not check out social media in the year 2016 for feedback - especially when it's probably the world's best and fastest source for Canon product leaks.

Both ways would prove my points of a) the expectation that they are aware of what is said here, or b) that they are lame and ignorant and don't know what's really going on among many users.

It is safe to say that Canon does not make market decisions based on this website OR the product information leaks.

Canon certainly doesn't follow the rants like: "I would advise Canon to..." Or, "If Canon would listen to my ideas, Canon wouldn't be so lame."

Certainly you live in Alice's Wonderland.

Sony is the answer. ::)

So you say that a) Canon will not listen to any user feedback, or b) Canon will only listen to some random users from some random sources, but definitely not and never the biggest Canon social media websites, although they will include the most honest and unfiltered opinions?
 

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douglaurent said:
So you say that a) Canon will not listen to any user feedback, or b) Canon will only listen to some random users from some random sources, but definitely not and never the biggest Canon social media websites, although they will include the most honest and unfiltered opinions?

All companies listen to all the feedback they can, but some people's feedback is much more important than others. This is because some feedback is more objective/demonstrable/incontrovertible (i.e. Canon sales, Canon's own quality feeder systems -- complaints, recalls, CAPA, scrap rates, etc.), some feedback is more influential (i.e. Explorers of Light, respected reviewers, big-ticket CPS professionals) and some feedback is more representative of a larger swath of the market (i.e. not gear obsessives in an internet forum).

So yes, collectively we know a great deal about gear and have some nice thoughts and ideas, but we are not remotely the market as a whole. We are a very small slice of it. Canon would be wise to listen to us, but I reeeeally hope they have other sources. :D

- A
 

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douglaurent said:
CanonFanBoy said:
douglaurent said:
People here seem to assume that nobody at Canon does care about this website and the forum. That has to be either wrong, or it is correct and would make Canon look stupid as they would not check out social media in the year 2016 for feedback - especially when it's probably the world's best and fastest source for Canon product leaks.

Both ways would prove my points of a) the expectation that they are aware of what is said here, or b) that they are lame and ignorant and don't know what's really going on among many users.

It is safe to say that Canon does not make market decisions based on this website OR the product information leaks.

Canon certainly doesn't follow the rants like: "I would advise Canon to..." Or, "If Canon would listen to my ideas, Canon wouldn't be so lame."

Certainly you live in Alice's Wonderland.

Sony is the answer. ::)

So you say that a) Canon will not listen to any user feedback, or b) Canon will only listen to some random users from some random sources, but definitely not and never the biggest Canon social media websites, although they will include the most honest and unfiltered opinions?

No, I am saying we are the random sources and that our influence is very near zero. Look up random. One doesn't make decisions based on random sources that are nameless, faceless, and may not even own a single Canon product. There are probably many people on this site who don't own what they say they own.

One only needs to look at the flippy screen controversy as an example: People claiming their noses change the settings have never used the product. I have a pretty long schnoz. No settings ever changed on the 70D I owned because of my nose.

Another example: There are people who said that touch screens have no business on a pro level camera. Canon would never do that. It's just a toy if it has a touch screen. Blah, blah, blah.

They were saying such things just a year ago. Now look at the 1Dx Mark II and the 5D Mark IV. Both have a touch screen. Where did those experts go? Was Canon listening to them? No. Canon listened to the market as a whole and decided the market wanted touch screens. Now, not nary a one of those forum product development experts is opening his mouth.

Most honest and unfiltered opinions? Pfhhttttt! There are very few experts here. There are zero unfiltered opinions (Look up the difference in definition between opinion and truth.). I am wise enough to admit that Canon would have no business listening to me. Every opinion I have is filtered and so are yours based on what you the individual want... not what the market will support.

Canon doesn't care about opinions of the haunters of social media sites like this. People that cannot even agree whether or not a camera is good or bad (Many times without even owning or using the product) make sites like this a piss poor place from which to make market decisions.

Canon cares about what is going to make Canon the most money. They don't care what I prefer, nor is anyone at Canon waiting to hear or read what Doug Laurent has to say about anything. Neither you nor I, pal, are that important. If either of us think so, then we truly have unrealistically grandiose opinions of ourselves and should check into a mental ward.

There isn't some guy in Japan looking at this website saying, "My God, we'd better get to making what these people (who have trouble agreeing on much at all) on this website want."

Personally, Doug, I have a Swiss Army knife. It isn't worth a darn. It has all the little tools in one small package, but almost none of them are any good for much.

For the record: I did not say that Canon would not listen to any user feedback. Canon just doesn't care about mine or yours individually. It is the market as a whole whose opinion matters. That and specific users selected by Canon that have earned Canon's respect. Not numskulls like us who mostly don't have enough knowledge or the wear with all to have a significantly informed market opinion on how to run a multinational company and know the direction product development should be taking.

Profit, market share, and sales are what matter most. These added to together = satisfied customers.

The greatest of these is profit.

So if you think that by posting on this website that you have a direct conduit to Canon's product development ear, and that Canon is waiting to read what you have to say, you are sorely mistaken. Delusional even.

This website is mostly entertainment; and I'd like to thank you personally for being so entertaining.

Sure, we all have the right to voice our opinions. Just don't start thinking Canon is waiting to read what you have to say and the CEO or anyone else is going to yell, "Yoshi! Get on it!"
 
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