Reviews Canon 6D MK II

[candyman]

I just came accross this review:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii

Interesting:
"In manual mode you’re forced to go into the main menu or quick menu to access exposure compensation, which is a bit of a faff. It’s possible to reassign a button to exposure compensation from the custom functions menu, but in hindsight I’d have preferred it if Canon had merged it with the ISO button as it does on its EOS 5D-series."

Good news that they made this available in the 6D MK II but was hoping it would work like with the 7D MK II

 

[candyman]

And about Dynamic range:

"Our results tell us that the EOS 6D Mark II offers a 1.7EV improvement in dynamic range over the original EOS 6D at ISO 100. The 12.1EV readout at ISO 100 isn’t as impressive as the incredibly high 13.7EV figure that was previously recorded by the EOS 5D Mark IV, however. Results at ISO 3200, 6400 and 12800 drop to 8.0EV, 7.3EV and 6.9EV respectively, and it’s only when the sensitivity it pushed to ISO 51200 that the dynamic range figure drops just below 6EV.While some may have expected a slightly higher dynamic range figure at low sensitivities, I found there’s sufficient leverage when it comes to returning detail to dark, shadowed regions in real-world use as depicted in some of the sample images that support this review"

 

[MintChocs]

It looks like Bill Claff got it wrong, I mean we can trust this review as it is called Trusted Reviews. There's going to be whole load of happy people who have preordered.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Not so quick. Aren't we looking at contradictory results without really knowing who's right?

Jack

 

[Jack Douglas]

Seems like a decent review that is not biased. Now we wait for more.

Jack

 

[Khalai]

And about Dynamic range:

"Our results tell us that the EOS 6D Mark II offers a 1.7EV improvement in dynamic range over the original EOS 6D at ISO 100. The 12.1EV readout at ISO 100 isn’t as impressive as the incredibly high 13.7EV figure that was previously recorded by the EOS 5D Mark IV, however. Results at ISO 3200, 6400 and 12800 drop to 8.0EV, 7.3EV and 6.9EV respectively, and it’s only when the sensitivity it pushed to ISO 51200 that the dynamic range figure drops just below 6EV.While some may have expected a slightly higher dynamic range figure at low sensitivities, I found there’s sufficient leverage when it comes to returning detail to dark, shadowed regions in real-world use as depicted in some of the sample images that support this review"

Something doesn't add up. 6D is way better than 10.4 EV DR suggested in the article. It was also around value of 12, as is 6D II...

 

[JMKE]

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Something doesn't add up. 6D is way better than 10.4 EV DR suggested in the article. It was also around value of 12, as is 6D II...

Indeed, trying to find the chart of the 6D to compare it. But they don't have it on their site.

 

[BillB]

And about Dynamic range:

"Our results tell us that the EOS 6D Mark II offers a 1.7EV improvement in dynamic range over the original EOS 6D at ISO 100. The 12.1EV readout at ISO 100 isn’t as impressive as the incredibly high 13.7EV figure that was previously recorded by the EOS 5D Mark IV, however. Results at ISO 3200, 6400 and 12800 drop to 8.0EV, 7.3EV and 6.9EV respectively, and it’s only when the sensitivity it pushed to ISO 51200 that the dynamic range figure drops just below 6EV.While some may have expected a slightly higher dynamic range figure at low sensitivities, I found there’s sufficient leverage when it comes to returning detail to dark, shadowed regions in real-world use as depicted in some of the sample images that support this review"

Something doesn't add up. 6D is way better than 10.4 EV DR suggested in the article. It was also around value of 12, as is 6D II...

FWIW, the reviews agree that the 100ISO number is lower for the 6DII than for the 5DIV, reinforcing the notion that the 6DII has off sensor ADC. What is the real world significance of these magic numbers? Who knows? Bill Claaf's methodology does not use actual images, or so I understand. I wonder what methodology was used for the other review.

 

[snoke]

Something doesn't add up. 6D is way better than 10.4 EV DR suggested in the article. It was also around value of 12, as is 6D II...

10.4 better than 9.8:

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%206D%20Mark%20II

I don't know why complain about review, very positive about 6D Mark II.

FWIW, the reviews agree that the 100ISO number is lower for the 6DII than for the 5DIV, reinforcing the notion that the 6DII has off sensor ADC. What is the real world significance of these magic numbers? Who knows? Bill Claaf's methodology does not use actual images, or so I understand. I wonder what methodology was used for the other review.

It mean 6DII come with free Canon Classic Noisy Shadow.

 

[BillF]

And about Dynamic range:

"Our results tell us that the EOS 6D Mark II offers a 1.7EV improvement in dynamic range over the original EOS 6D at ISO 100. The 12.1EV readout at ISO 100 isn’t as impressive as the incredibly high 13.7EV figure that was previously recorded by the EOS 5D Mark IV, however. Results at ISO 3200, 6400 and 12800 drop to 8.0EV, 7.3EV and 6.9EV respectively, and it’s only when the sensitivity it pushed to ISO 51200 that the dynamic range figure drops just below 6EV.While some may have expected a slightly higher dynamic range figure at low sensitivities, I found there’s sufficient leverage when it comes to returning detail to dark, shadowed regions in real-world use as depicted in some of the sample images that support this review"

I noticed that comment also, at lunchtime today. If you look at the article again now, you will see that any reference to the original 6D has been removed - in fact that entire first sentence "Our results tell us" has gone. Retracted !

 

[Sporgon]

The plot thickens..........

 

[BillF]

I pointed it out on here also ...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59890647

and someone obtained a full response from the author of the review.

 

[BillB]

I pointed it out on here also ...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59890647

and someone obtained a full response from the author of the review.

Thanks for the very informative followup. It is good to see a reviewer taking a position on the practical implications of the data.

 

[mdmphoto]

...All in All, this review still runs firmly against the gloomy and/or enraged pre-release pronouncements of the 6D II as a disappointing and inferior replacement....:

"...They also added later:
I should stress our original tests of the 6D dynamic range were right in the early days shortly after we'd setup our testing facility and aren't as accurate as they are now.
So not quite the big leap in DR some might have been expecting from the EOS 6D Mark II, nevertheless a figure of 12.1EV at ISO 100 isn’t what I’d describe as poor and should suffice for the majority. ..."

 

[Deleted member 379512]

From the nikon d750 review on the same site, they state that has 12.9ev dynamic range at iso 50 (and say this is the same as the d810), so not sure I'd take the dynamic range figures on the 6dmk2 as gospel yet, not until other reviews also show improved results

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nikon-d750-image-quality-performance-and-verdict-page-2

 

[Jack Douglas]

Yes, I agree, reserve judgment.

Jack

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Has anyone updated tests to a production camera, preferably several of them. Those preliminary figures all likely came from the same pre-production camera. The figures should be the same, but until there is production information, its preliminary and not worth umpteen pages of discussion.

 

[9VIII]

From the nikon d750 review on the same site, they state that has 12.9ev dynamic range at iso 50 (and say this is the same as the d810), so not sure I'd take the dynamic range figures on the 6dmk2 as gospel yet, not until other reviews also show improved results

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nikon-d750-image-quality-performance-and-verdict-page-2

ISO 50 is an artificially darkened setting and always results in a loss of quality.

 

[Deleted member 379512]

From the nikon d750 review on the same site, they state that has 12.9ev dynamic range at iso 50 (and say this is the same as the d810), so not sure I'd take the dynamic range figures on the 6dmk2 as gospel yet, not until other reviews also show improved results

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nikon-d750-image-quality-performance-and-verdict-page-2

ISO 50 is an artificially darkened setting and always results in a loss of quality.

Yeah, but I couldn't see any reference to iso 100. I was under the impression that iso 50 usually had the same/similar dr to iso 100 due to this darkening being taken from iso 100. At the very least, it doesn't seem to be consistent with other reviews, as far as I can tell

 

[Sharlin]

ISO 50 is an artificially darkened setting and always results in a loss of quality.

Yeah, but I couldn't see any reference to iso 100. I was under the impression that iso 50 usually had the same/similar dr to iso 100 due to this darkening being taken from iso 100. At the very least, it doesn't seem to be consistent with other reviews, as far as I can tell

At least the D810 sensor has a "true" base ISO of 64 (as measured by full well capacity) so ISO 50 can actually have 2/3 stops more DR than ISO 100 (and this is reflected by the chart at photonstophotos). The D750 does seem to have the same DR at ISO 50 and ISO 100 however.