Ron Martinsen Blasts the 7DII in his review

[Monchoon]

Have some perspective. You dont see me here trying to discredit the AF as not bein ggood enough.... I stated that I along with others had problems with the AF, as did I. If you works for you, great.

Fascinating. So what did you mean when you said:-

I have the set of test shots from the recent rental i did. Af was basically a disaster. I was going to use it for a test shoot, but very glad the weather didnt hold up- it would have been a complete waste of time. Sot Af helped, but even with that, the images were not as good as my M, and nothing close to my old workhorse t2i. Without af accuracy, the camera is a brick. There's nothing left to do with it.

I would hate to see just what you would write if you were trying to "discredit" something.

"But it worked for me!" Is not a rational response - you cannot discredit someone else's experience because it wasn't your own. That's just being foolish.

This is a photog forum, is it that hard to figure that many people in here know how to use cameras? You guys are a trip.

I'd have a think about what you've written so far before you accuse others of being irrational. It seems the large majority can get this AF system to work for them much better than you are suggesting it did for you. If you're in a minority of people that can't it has to be worth questioning your experience, I know that if I was in your shoes I would. I'd at least wonder if the copy I rented had a fault or if I had missed something.

Sorry but i have to go there. You don't make any sense, and your approach to someone else's experience is unfortunately quite popular (and misguided) in these photo forums. Again, I encourage the use of PERSPECTIVE (Sorry, caps).

Your argument is full of holes. Here's why.

You were not there to see an experienced photog (I am ) have the AF problems in action. Nope.
The AF was NOT working well. This is a fact. You have no information to discredit it. Nothing.
You havent seen the files. Or have you?
OBVIOUSLY it was the unit that i had. I cant speak for other units. Crazy, thinking, right?
What "majority" are you speaking of? That you even know of? Show us your sampling data and method of how you reached this conclusion. Anything?...oh..NOPE. Oh.. you read forums.....riiiiiiight.

If the camera was not working as it should, what should i write? a glowing review?

You are being fairly ridiculous, and while i probably dont have the nicest tone, it not personal at all. But i believe in talking what you know. You dont have enough info for the statements you are making.

Since you are such an experienced photographer and the M and the T2i according to you have much better autofocus system, stick to what works.

Maybe just stick with your T2i, M, and 6D. Just a guess but if you rented the 5DMIII or the 1DX I am sure the Af would fail for you as well.

 

[ashmadux]

Since you are such an experienced photographer and the M and the T2i according to you have much better autofocus system, stick to what works.

Maybe just stick with your T2i, M, and 6D. Just a guess but if you rented the 5DMIII or the 1DX I am sure the Af would fail for you as well.

You are correct - when Af is critical, say, at fashion week, the t2i is my lead until it bets a bigger brother.

When i rent the 5d3 ill let you know, to see if your un-educated guess was true or fail.

Cheers

 

[tron]

We need to get some of that stuff he's smoking.

I think it must be Nik...huana ;D

 

[Don Haines]

Since you are such an experienced photographer and the M and the T2i according to you have much better autofocus system, stick to what works.

Maybe just stick with your T2i, M, and 6D. Just a guess but if you rented the 5DMIII or the 1DX I am sure the Af would fail for you as well.

You are correct - when Af is critical, say, at fashion week, the t2i is my lead until it bets a bigger brother.

When i rent the 5d3 ill let you know, to see if your un-educated guess was true or fail.

Cheers

People!
Before this gets any more personal, have you considered that he has had LOTS of experience with the T2i.....perhaps enough that he can push the T2i to its limits...couple that with a lack of time on a 7D2, and I have no problems with the claim that he got better pictures with it.
When I got my 7D2, it took worse pictures than my 60D... Same problem..... But if one does not have the time to set the camera up and get comfortable with it, you don't get better.

This is no reflection on the persons skill, it is a reflection of the time they had to play with it. Let's resist the urge to attack each other and be civil instead.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

Maybe it's just me, but after "growing up" with film cameras that had rangefinders and no metering system, any DSLR is awesome. Interchangeable lenses- wow! Zoom lenses- wow! OMG-autofocus! Try pushing Tri-X(B&W ASA 400) to 1600 when shooting sports indoors- that will reset your real understanding of grain. Don't even think about shooting color and pushing it.
This generation that has never used a film camera or took a film photography course may see things differently.
Those that have shot with Kodachrome 25 and projected it onto a 8 foot screen might understand where I'm coming from.

 

[fragilesi]

Since you are such an experienced photographer and the M and the T2i according to you have much better autofocus system, stick to what works.

Maybe just stick with your T2i, M, and 6D. Just a guess but if you rented the 5DMIII or the 1DX I am sure the Af would fail for you as well.

You are correct - when Af is critical, say, at fashion week, the t2i is my lead until it bets a bigger brother.

When i rent the 5d3 ill let you know, to see if your un-educated guess was true or fail.

Cheers

People!
Before this gets any more personal, have you considered that he has had LOTS of experience with the T2i.....perhaps enough that he can push the T2i to its limits...couple that with a lack of time on a 7D2, and I have no problems with the claim that he got better pictures with it.
When I got my 7D2, it took worse pictures than my 60D... Same problem..... But if one does not have the time to set the camera up and get comfortable with it, you don't get better.

This is no reflection on the persons skill, it is a reflection of the time they had to play with it. Let's resist the urge to attack each other and be civil instead.

Don, I don't think anyone is attacking anyone else here. Just a bit of disagreement and now it sounds like I'll be moving in next to him soon so we can carry on over the garden fence

 

[Jane]

Since you are such an experienced photographer and the M and the T2i according to you have much better autofocus system, stick to what works.

Maybe just stick with your T2i, M, and 6D. Just a guess but if you rented the 5DMIII or the 1DX I am sure the Af would fail for you as well.

You are correct - when Af is critical, say, at fashion week, the t2i is my lead until it bets a bigger brother.

When i rent the 5d3 ill let you know, to see if your un-educated guess was true or fail.

Cheers

People!
Before this gets any more personal, have you considered that he has had LOTS of experience with the T2i.....perhaps enough that he can push the T2i to its limits...couple that with a lack of time on a 7D2, and I have no problems with the claim that he got better pictures with it.
When I got my 7D2, it took worse pictures than my 60D... Same problem..... But if one does not have the time to set the camera up and get comfortable with it, you don't get better.

This is no reflection on the persons skill, it is a reflection of the time they had to play with it. Let's resist the urge to attack each other and be civil instead.

Well said Don!

 

[fragilesi]

I hear that. All i did was agree with the (apparently disliked) reviewer based on my usage. I cannot say if that situation is typical...heck i hope not.

Photog neighbors...that would actually be very cool.


Cheers, happy shooting (with good Af, heheh )

Actually it would be damn good to have a photog neighbour you're right .

Someone along with me just to shout "lens cap you moron" before I try shooting would be handy. In fact, I'd probably pay a premium for a camera that would shout that at me at the right times! And of course "You ain't gonna get that bird flying past because you just changed your settings to snap that interesting tree five minutes ago".