ROUND TWO - Can someone debunk this Peter Lik picture... PLEASE!!!

[loosecanon]

Have you read any of the posts? People aren't upset with altering an image in PP. It's lying or misleading about the PP.
snippety... I think it's you that should "get out more / take more photographs / be more personally creative / get a girlfriend (delete as applicable)." Lame. ...Snip

1) Yep read a whole bunch. Some great, thoughtful responses. A whole bunch of whining; the guy is not a photojournalist or a documentary specialist; he is selling to the Art (!) market...and they don't care HOW they want nice stuff to hang on their walls.
2) I don't get out as much as I would like true, but / 36,000 images in last 3 years / shooting all subjects from advertising for SME's to portraiture and landscapes (including modifications like HDR!) / happily married for last 25 years, don't think my wife would like me to get a girlfriend! As to the Lame - guilty as charged. Due to a viral infection on my spine which caused nerve damage to one of my legs. What's your excuse for being lame and having such a messed up karma?

 

[D_Rochat]

Have you read any of the posts? People aren't upset with altering an image in PP. It's lying or misleading about the PP.
snippety... I think it's you that should "get out more / take more photographs / be more personally creative / get a girlfriend (delete as applicable)." Lame. ...Snip

1) Yep read a whole bunch. Some great, thoughtful responses. A whole bunch of whining; the guy is not a photojournalist or a documentary specialist; he is selling to the Art (!) market...and they don't care HOW they want nice stuff to hang on their walls.
2) I don't get out as much as I would like true, but / 36,000 images in last 3 years / shooting all subjects from advertising for SME's to portraiture and landscapes (including modifications like HDR!) / happily married for last 25 years, don't think my wife would like me to get a girlfriend! As to the Lame - guilty as charged. Due to a viral infection on my spine which caused nerve damage to one of my legs. What's your excuse for being lame and having such a messed up karma?

Lucky I don't believe everything I read on the internet......

As for my Karma, multiple APS-H/7D posts will get you burnt at the stake by the APS-C Brigade. I sleep well even with messed up imaginary internet karma.

 

[ghosh9691]

Who gives a flying f%&K whether he doctors, manipulates, combines or blends frames to come up with his shots? I certainly don't. You either like his stuff or you don't. You like the guy or you don't.
With all due respect some of the posters on this thread need to get out more / take more photographs / be more personally creative / get a girlfriend (delete as applicable).
...and don't bother to vote this post down, I used a trashmail address to set up a new account so as not to have some highly offended wan*er tryign to damage my karma.
Just my 2 cents worth. Have a nice day and take some images.

If I were you, I would be more worried about my karma in real life rather than create a fake id to protect some imaginary online karma that means nothing! And do you even know what karma truly means?

 

[loosecanon]

Really? Ansel Adams as the poster boy, pun intended, of the true, unmanipulated image? Don't misunderstand, his photographs are beautiful and magical, but he spent an enormous amount of time and work postprocessing those images. Of course, that was in the days before Photoshop, when dodging and burning were done with wands, cutout masks, and light, instead of the click of a mouse, and Adams was a master at those techniques, and use them on most or all of his famous images. We won't ever know what Ansel Adams' photography would be like if he had access to the powerful digital editing and compositing tools we have today.

On the bookcases behind me in my study I have a couple of AA's books; The Camera, The Negative and The Print as well as a battered copy og Examples;: The Making of 40 Photographs. He produced some wonderful images, exposed in the wilderness but made in the Darkroom.
"You don't take a photograph, you make it."
“There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs.”
"Photography is more than a medium for factual communication of ideas. It is a creative art"
"A photograph is not an accident – it is a concept"
And my personal favourite:
"The negative is comparable to the composer's score and the print to its performance. Each performance differs in subtle ways"
So you are spot on neuroanatomist!

 

[loosecanon]

It's been swell! I've enjoyed myself hugely with D_Rochat. While I said things rather rudely the things I said are a true reflection of my thoughts.
ghosh9691 - hope I didn't offend, if so apologies. I do know what karma means and I think mine is fine in real life, hope yours is great. I couldn't care less about karma on this forum...but oh the freedom of a disposable email address!
Peace!

 

[wickidwombat]

Really? Ansel Adams as the poster boy, pun intended, of the true, unmanipulated image? Don't misunderstand, his photographs are beautiful and magical, but he spent an enormous amount of time and work postprocessing those images. Of course, that was in the days before Photoshop, when dodging and burning were done with wands, cutout masks, and light, instead of the click of a mouse, and Adams was a master at those techniques, and use them on most or all of his famous images. We won't ever know what Ansel Adams' photography would be like if he had access to the powerful digital editing and compositing tools we have today.

On the bookcases behind me in my study I have a couple of AA's books; The Camera, The Negative and The Print as well as a battered copy og Examples;: The Making of 40 Photographs. He produced some wonderful images, exposed in the wilderness but made in the Darkroom.
"You don't take a photograph, you make it."
“There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs.”
"Photography is more than a medium for factual communication of ideas. It is a creative art"
"A photograph is not an accident – it is a concept"
And my personal favourite:
"The negative is comparable to the composer's score and the print to its performance. Each performance differs in subtle ways"

The issue isn't that the pictures have heavy manipulation its the outright hogwash that gets peddled with it
as I said before trey ratcliff is completely open about how much he manipulates the images he has tons of fans No problem there he makes art lot of people like it he is honest and has integrity, and while there is heavy manipulation in his images i am pretty sure he doesn't go altering scale and aspect of objects or introducing items or compositing various shots taken elsewhere, His work is more of a photograph than the peter lik stuff.

As a picture quite a lot of peter lik's stuff is aesthetically pleasing but they are not photographs in my opinion
they are digital art. Notice I used the word Picture not photo, Calling himself a master photographer is a misnomer where the stuff he produces has gone well out of the bounds of being photography. I think digital art would be the most appropriate description.

He really should ditch the nauseating diatribe too.

 

[unfocused]

"No man has the right to dictate what other men should perceive, create or produce, but all should be encouraged to reveal themselves, their perceptions and emotions, and to build confidence in the creative spirit."
Ansel Adams

Please, Ansel Adams claiming no one has the right to dictate what other men should perceive!

This is the same Ansel Adams who systematically and relentless worked with Beaumont Newhall and others to have William Mortensen written out of the pages of photo history because he (Adams) didn't like what Mortensen perceived, created and produced.

Adams was a great photographer, but he was rigidly dogmatic in what he considered acceptable art and was relentless in trying to impose his narrow vision on the art world.

As for Mr. Lik's latest work. Well, he doesn't seem to be telling quite as much of a whopper this time. I just think it would look better with three wolves howling in the foreground and maybe a Keyboard Cat floating over the sky.

 

[kubelik]

Cut the guy some slack. He probably wrote a nice honest description, but he has a poor command of the English language and it was edited in such a way that the true meaning was altered. The copy-editors markup looked like this:

These This stunning photographs was taken in La Jolla, California at just the right times and moods.

I dig it, Neuro. or maybe he's outsourcing his blogging to some fellow in asia?

As for Mr. Lik's latest work. Well, he doesn't seem to be telling quite as much of a whopper this time. I just think it would look better with three wolves howling in the foreground and maybe a Keyboard Cat floating over the sky.

unfocused, I knew something was missing here. we need to email Mr. Lik and have him capture wolves hovering above the waves in La Jolla. I mean, you just need the right time and mood ... who knows what you might find?

 

[DJL329]

1. Apparently, the moon is now within the earth's atmosphere, because there are clouds behind the moon.

2. The bottom third (the water) appears to me to be from a completely different photo. Probably a sunset shot.

Good eye to the poster who pointed out the clouds behind the moon.

Thank you, sir. And the name's Bond. James Bond.

 

[arussarts]

Who gives a flying f%&K whether he doctors, manipulates, combines or blends frames to come up with his shots? I certainly don't. You either like his stuff or you don't. You like the guy or you don't.
With all due respect some of the posters on this thread need to get out more / take more photographs / be more personally creative / get a girlfriend (delete as applicable).
...and don't bother to vote this post down, I used a trashmail address to set up a new account so as not to have some highly offended wan*er tryign to damage my karma.
Just my 2 cents worth. Have a nice day and take some images.

You sound like kind of an A%&hole...