unfocused said:privatebydesign said:unfocused said:Cthulhu said:...Are you seriously saying it's ok and fine for anyone to be selling cameras that splatter oil on their sensors? Canon certainly is not, neither is Nikon or any other brand on earth.
Whether it is dust or oil I don't know, but I can certainly confirm that the problem is real. When someone like Art Morris raises the issue, you know it's a problem. I do know that I have to clean the sensor about 10 - 20 times more frequently than I ever had to clean the 5D III or the 7D II, in fact with both of those an annual trip to CPS was sufficient.
I think a lot of the frustration 1D X II owners feel is due to Canon's failure to be transparent about the problem.
This https://garypoulton.com/tag/nikon-d600-sensor-problems/ is an oil splatter issue. A few bits here and there that anybody with can clean or clone out isn't, there is far too much talk of 'issues' when in reality the perceived symptoms are not "issues" or "problems" of any consequence.
P.S. I am not frustrated. I never sent in my 1DS MkIII's for their oil splatter recall because I cleaned the sensor myself anyway, and if the 1DX MkII gets a recall for the same thing they won't get my two for that either.
What's your point?
That because it's not a problem for you, then no one is allowed to say it is a problem? Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
That Nikon has had problems as well, so therefore it should be okay? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
That we used to have to deal with film scratches. Yeah, well, we used to have to develop film and print photos using noxious chemicals. Thank God those days are over. Trading one problem for another still means you have a problem.
As for cleaning the sensor yourself, the only sensor cleaning approved by Canon is using a blower -- no brushes, no liquids, no nothing. Yet we all know how ineffective that is. It seems like a Catch-22. Either send your camera in every week or two for a cleaning (and have it come back still needing to be cleaned, by the way) or risk voiding the warranty by cleaning it yourself.
I'm not saying Canon is terrible or doomed or that I should be able to push an underexposed image by six stops. Heck, I'm as big of a Canon fanboy as the next guy. But, when people reference a problem that has been well-documented by professionals, it's kind of pointless to argue that because you personally don't find it to be a problem, then no one else can talk about it.
The 1D X II is a great camera and has compensating advantages. But, that doesn't mean I have to be happy that anytime I shoot a scene outside, my $6,000 camera is going to leave spots all over the sky.
It is a problem. I have learned to live with it. Perhaps it is unavoidable with 1 Series cameras. I don't know. But, denying the facts only discourages Canon (and Nikon) from trying to fix it.
Of course that is not what I am saying.
What I am saying is there is an order of magnitude to symptoms and there is a tendency to elevate even the smallest one to the level of "serious issue" or "major problem" when, in fact, it is nothing but a mild inconvenience at worst or as is more normal nowadays, barely perceptible even under test conditions set up to exaggerate said symptom.
If you read through that Arthur Morris diatribe most of the people who now think they have a defective camera never even noticed the spots in their images prior to being told how to look for them! My point was does that really make it an "issue"? I think not. Besides, I practically never have an image that doesn't need some dust removing so adding in a few oil spots makes practically no difference to my workflow.
I included the Nikon link as an example of what an issue or problem does actually look like. If the sensor is getting covered in dozens of marks in as few as 20 shots then it becomes unworkable in post. Nothing I have seen from any of the 1DX MkII examples come close to this.
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