Sadly, the 6dm2 and 5div to be obsolete shortly

[Sporgon]

I think part of the disappointment with the 6D2 is that we were spoiled by the 6D1 sensor and we the public created the myth that the 6 line was where we were going to see new sensor tech. Turned out that that scenario was wishful thinking. Now it is the 5DSR wink wink.

In an ideal world shooting at ISO 12800 or higher could be done noiselessly and thus fast glass would be unnecessary and photography cheaper, gear lighter and the internet full of what you had for dinner.

Actually I remember an interview of Canon's CEO where he had said that they always use the best sensor available. So even if I got 5D4 I believe what they did with 6D2 was a foul. 6D2 can still sell like hot cakes but its price has to get to the current price of 6D.

And I think that raises on interesting question: why was the 6D2 sensor designed like it was? I presume the technicians had a specific objective in mind and wanted to resolve specific issue(s) so it would be interesting to know what that was and whether they had achieved it.
For example, the D5 has been widely acknowledged to take a hit on DR but with benefits elsewhere in the picture-making chain. What was the logic behind the 6D2. If it was simply 'because it is cheaper', then it does add to your comment.

Maybe they are using the best sensor available - for that camera and the vast majority of those customers that will buy one. We always come back to this one metric of shadow lifting (DR), yet those owners of the 6DII who want to turn their pictures into cartoon-like images will be very much in the minority. With the accuracy of the RGB meter there won't be many who hopelessly under expose and they have to lift the image three stops. So for files that are broadly correctly exposed, and without aggressive manipulation the chip probably is producing the best "IQ" in terms of colour, contrast, tonality etc for the majority of people.

 

[Don Haines]

sigh........

The 6D2 beats the 6D in every metric but one...... That means for most people, the camera is an improvement.

For those who are fixated on DR, go buy a 5D4 or a 1DX. All the complaining in the world is not going to change things, because the camera is released. You can't force Canon to go back in time and make the changes that you want, and even if you could, it would probably affect something else and you would now be complaining about that.

The reality is, that it is an introductory FF camera and will not (overall) be as good as a higher priced model. The sensor design is was it is. It is lacking DR at low ISO, but it handles high ISO better. This does not happen by accident, there are design tradeoffs involved and Canon chose the design that they felt was best... Remember, they have access to real statistics while we have forum fanatics.... and it is undeniable that we forum fanatics do not represent the typical consumer...

 

[malarcky]

tomscott is spot on here. The 6D Mk II is the best high ISO camera I have ever used. I have coupled it with the 1.4x TC and the 100-400 Mk II and had images that just blew me away with how sharp and absolutely great the color, contrast and just plain old image quality is. I can now autofocus with that combo, like I can with my 80D, but not with my 6D. I'm comparing these images directly with bot the 80D and the 6D, and the 6D Mk II is clearly the best one of the lot. I shot my first images with the 6D Mk II just after I purchased it, and I almost thought there was a serious flaw. I thought the camera was misreading ISO's, as some of the images reported 6400 ISO, and I thought they were 400 ISO! I kept trying it, only to realize how clear these high ISO pictures were.

I was betting before I bought this camera that it would have a very nice noise floor but I was wrong. It has an unbelievably nice noise floor that makes these high ISO pictures remarkably clean to the eye. It is a good thing because I tend to shoot with this combo a lot, and I hardly ever shoot low ISO's when shooting with it. I am extremely happy with my purchase, and I really can't believe some of the negative comments this release is getting.

One of the reasons is that I really believe there is a mass push to trash this camera by people who just offer opinions based on specs, and that's their reasoning to post all of the negative comments. I'll even go out on a limb here and say that I think there is a huge amount of negative comments by posters with low post counts and some questionable background history. That's as far as I'll go with this theory, but it's really quite remarkable when you read comments after a review of the camera where the same thing is being said over and over again by people who don't own, or have never even attempted to view images produced by this camera. Nikon went from a company in serious financial decline to a company who is selling the best cameras the world has ever seen, and the release of the D850 will render all other camera's obsolete after it's release.

Am I accusing Nikon, or some other company of concocting a full on assault on Canon by the social media crowd? Perhaps I have no choice but to say yes. The comments that start to compare the D750 to the 6D Mk II as being a much better camera are very abundant, and there is a lot of recent Nikon conversations in Canon forums recently claiming that these recent Canon cameras are just "garbage", and "useless". The 6D Mk II is seen by these commentators on youtube reviews to be the worst camera release of all time, bar none.as I know that every camera when it's released has it's fair share of detractors, but this is an effort on steroids to dismiss this camera's ability to hold up in the current market. There is not a single review of this camera that has not ended with a negative view of it and most are ready to cast this release as the last gasp for Canon, as they are ignoring the consumers and failing to make a good camera with the 6D Mk II. See for yourself, it's right there to be seen just by searching for "6D Mk II" in the youtube search engine.

 

[Sporgon]

I'm comparing these images directly with bot the 80D and the 6D, and the 6D Mk II is clearly the best one of the lot.

NO ! This cannot be - the internet says the 80D is better !

and the release of the D850 will render all other camera's obsolete after it's release.

Phew ! Sanity restored

 

[malarcky]

I'm comparing these images directly with bot the 80D and the 6D, and the 6D Mk II is clearly the best one of the lot.

NO ! This cannot be - the internet says the 80D is better !

and the release of the D850 will render all other camera's obsolete after it's release.

Phew ! Sanity restored

I was using hyperbole but I really am stunned by the praise these existing and future Nikon cameras get all of a sudden, while the Canon 6D Mk II is getting trashed at every turn it seems. I really love this camera, as pairing it up with the 80D, I feel like Canon did everything I was asking them to do. I love having the DPAF, along with the all cross type focus points now on this full frame release. The addition of the touch/flip/tilt screen makes the transition imperceptible, so it's just a really comfortable GUI now, and the wireless capabilities will only get better and hopefully make the 6D Mk II able to transfer images in real time to a laptop or phone in order to make having dual card slots less of a concern to those shooting weddings and so forth.

 

[deadwrong]

tomscott is spot on here. The 6D Mk II is the best high ISO camera I have ever used. I have coupled it with the 1.4x TC and the 100-400 Mk II and had images that just blew me away with how sharp and absolutely great the color, contrast and just plain old image quality is. I can now autofocus with that combo, like I can with my 80D, but not with my 6D. I'm comparing these images directly with bot the 80D and the 6D, and the 6D Mk II is clearly the best one of the lot. I shot my first images with the 6D Mk II just after I purchased it, and I almost thought there was a serious flaw. I thought the camera was misreading ISO's, as some of the images reported 6400 ISO, and I thought they were 400 ISO! I kept trying it, only to realize how clear these high ISO pictures were.

I was betting before I bought this camera that it would have a very nice noise floor but I was wrong. It has an unbelievably nice noise floor that makes these high ISO pictures remarkably clean to the eye. It is a good thing because I tend to shoot with this combo a lot, and I hardly ever shoot low ISO's when shooting with it. I am extremely happy with my purchase, and I really can't believe some of the negative comments this release is getting.

One of the reasons is that I really believe there is a mass push to trash this camera by people who just offer opinions based on specs, and that's their reasoning to post all of the negative comments. I'll even go out on a limb here and say that I think there is a huge amount of negative comments by posters with low post counts and some questionable background history. That's as far as I'll go with this theory, but it's really quite remarkable when you read comments after a review of the camera where the same thing is being said over and over again by people who don't own, or have never even attempted to view images produced by this camera. Nikon went from a company in serious financial decline to a company who is selling the best cameras the world has ever seen, and the release of the D850 will render all other camera's obsolete after it's release.

Am I accusing Nikon, or some other company of concocting a full on assault on Canon by the social media crowd? Perhaps I have no choice but to say yes. The comments that start to compare the D750 to the 6D Mk II as being a much better camera are very abundant, and there is a lot of recent Nikon conversations in Canon forums recently claiming that these recent Canon cameras are just "garbage", and "useless". The 6D Mk II is seen by these commentators on youtube reviews to be the worst camera release of all time, bar none.as I know that every camera when it's released has it's fair share of detractors, but this is an effort on steroids to dismiss this camera's ability to hold up in the current market. There is not a single review of this camera that has not ended with a negative view of it and most are ready to cast this release as the last gasp for Canon, as they are ignoring the consumers and failing to make a good camera with the 6D Mk II. See for yourself, it's right there to be seen just by searching for "6D Mk II" in the youtube search engine.

OMG no, dude, I WANT a 5div or a 6d2 BUT not something built for today. Sony/Nikon, and others are presently running over Canon with creativity and innovation. Heck, even cell phones, 4k right? CAnon is not listening or doing a damn thing for thier 'clients' that shoot canon and have succumbed to the L lens crackpipe. CAnon is my first choice, and i am furious over the crap they produced these past few years. 5d4 is a good camera, but it wont last more than a year innovation wise when Sony comes and trounces all over it. Nikon is doing it now. Believe me, i am pro Canon........but they appear to have given up or lack any ability. Sorry for my low post count and I dont brag about the equipment i have (and its no powershot, LOL) at the bottom of this email, nor will i ever. Helllllllllllllo thieves!

 

[tomscott]

And I think that raises on interesting question: why was the 6D2 sensor designed like it was? I presume the technicians had a specific objective in mind and wanted to resolve specific issue(s) so it would be interesting to know what that was and whether they had achieved it.
For example, the D5 has been widely acknowledged to take a hit on DR but with benefits elsewhere in the picture-making chain. What was the logic behind the 6D2. If it was simply 'because it is cheaper', then it does add to your comment.

Another possible reason - to save sales of 5d mark IV. I believe that this is the main reason, since a much cheaper camera (80D) has more advanced sensor.

It is as good a reason as any but not one that I go with. Unfortunately it is because Canon do not explain what they were trying to achieve that it is impossible to fully disprove
As for the comparison with 80D, Dustin Abbott has done a thorough comparison and shows that the 6D2 is in most ways superior or at least equal to it.

Its obvious that 90% of people comenting havent used one. It has had the classic canon treatment of its a shi*t camera.

I opened a ISO 125 image form my 5DMKIII the other day and I was amazed at how quickly banding came into it. The 6DMKII may not be a groundbreaking camera in anyway but the sensor quality blows the 5DMKIII out of the water.

Would anyone turn round and say the 5DMKIII is a sh*t camera? Certainly not because its a brilliant camera, the 6DMKII is pretty much a 5DMKIII with all the issues of IQ solved with incredible high ISO capability, with one card slot and a reduced AF system for half the price. Ok its not brand new technology but for bang for buck there is little that compares.

Especially when they are currently less the £1500 thats £500 less than a 5DMKIII after over 350,000 images from my 5DMKIII and being an early adopter of that camera I would have the 6DMKII over one every day.

The 5DMKIV again probably the best all round camera but its just too expensive, yes its good but its not ground breaking and better than the 6DMKII in every aspect but certainly not worth £3500 £2k more than the 6DMKII.

These reviews of the 6DMKII have been super harsh and in the real world it performs so well.

All I wanted was a 5DMKIII without banding, the 6DMKII had increased resolution no banding and amazing low light performance. As a wedding and event photographer I rarely use base ISO and tbh in this day it isnt necessary the fact you get good DR high up and the noise pattern is super random and does really well with noise reduction.

Fantastic camera highly highly underrated and currently a bargain.

If you are a good photographer this camera will have very little real world issues. The only thing I wish it had was 2 card slots. Again not the end of the world as in the 10 years ive been working as a pro ive never had a card fail.

On a side note all my canon glass feels sharper every image I open I have to look twice as its hard to believe the difference between this and the 5DMKIII. The 100-400mm MKII is sharp but the 6DMKII seems to get the best out of it of any camera ive owned. (all my cameras are AFMA'd) Took it out to photograph deer and even with a 1.4 its so sharp you can pixel peep to 200% and the images still look incredible! For the price... blown away with it.

It is my opinion that as a wedding photographer you should get a 2 slot camera although I understand that the possibility of anything happening is close to zero. But almost close to zero is not zero. I remember shooting with my 5D4 in the early days - not important photos but the setting was left to writting to both cards concurrently - when 5D4 froze displaying an error about the SD card. A few months after this event Canon issued firmware 1.0.4 fixing communication with sd card but this is an example of a low probability event that did happen. The card had to be full formated on a PC and then formatted again in camera to work again! As I said I agree that issues are very rare but would you risk your reputation over the price difference of these 2 cameras?

I understand that it is not possible for 6D2 to be a bad camera and it will handle noise more than decently. But 6D was already better than 5DIII in the noise department so the comparison between the two 6D generations - that are 5 years apart - is inevitable.

Well I'm glad you have an opinion.

I agree. But in my experience it's not been an issue. The reason I bought the 6DMKII is because my 5 was stolen and I didn't want to spend £500 more on a 5 year old camera when I could have the 6D with gps. it's the end of wedding season for me near enough and I'm an avid traveler so bought it for multiple reason. I plan on buying 5DMKIV for next season and running them both. When the price comes down which it usually does about 18-24 months in the 5 was significantly discounted at that period for around £2k for the body and £2.4k for the kit. Sensible money imo. So just needed something to get me through the last third of the year as winter weddings aren't overly popular where I live.

You may also forget that it's only been in recent years we actually had redundancy...

The 5DMKIII was the first of the 5 series that had dual card slots nothing but 1 series before this had them!

The horror what did people do! The 5D3/4 and 7DMKII are the only pro Sumer cameras canon offer with twin slots... the 1 series bodies have had them as long as I can remember but they are and always will be overkil for my usage.

Like I said I'm not going to play these games with canon. The 5DMKVI is a stellar camera but it's not worth 2k more than the 6DMKII for a joystick and an extra card slot.we are already at a point where IQ isn't distinguishable and we are chasing pixels. Life's too short to worry about it, the 5D3 was stellar and I loved that camera to bits and was truly sad when someone stole it. Although it was nakard and had so many war wounds but reminded me of crazy places in the world I had been with it and enjoyed shooting it. Otherwise I don't really need much more to get great images as I showed in my 6DMKII image thread. If you are a good experienced photographer what we have now is more than good enough all the rest is convienience and allows that 1-2% of images you really like but got wrong recoverable. The DSLR is so far along there isn't much more they can do to make them better and it really shows that the cost difference is so large and in real world use they aren't really that far apart. Especially if you print, pixel peeping is a digital age convienience I grew up processing my own images in the darkroom and pixel peeping compared to a print it's almost impossible to tell one camera from the other.

For most people that 2k is a decent 2.8 L lens or even 2.

Regardless how much you earn it always goes into a pot somewhere and I'm getting stellar images that are better than I used to with more resolution and it's got to the point where Im really happy! I'm after good IQ in a body that is nice to use and the iq ceiling has room for me which it does. That's why it was a no brainier for me I am getting better IQ without outplaying an extra 2k which allows me to either spend money on the business in another way like advertising or keep the money for a rainy day. Or when the 5D4 comes down to a sensible price.

As with many things the slots are a marketing tool because your shooting something important it's a must have. I would love to see the statistics to how likely a card failure is. It's a hyped up issue that again in real life happens... well never in my experience and I've shot well over a million images in my Pro career without a card failing. I look after the cards and retire them When I feel they have done enough. The best cards are so cheap there's no need to worry and as it's only UHS1 the cards are even cheaper.

 

[tomscott]

OMG no, dude, I WANT a 5div or a 6d2 BUT not something built for today. Sony/Nikon, and others are presently running over Canon with creativity and innovation. Heck, even cell phones, 4k right? CAnon is not listening or doing a damn thing for thier 'clients' that shoot canon and have succumbed to the L lens crackpipe. CAnon is my first choice, and i am furious over the crap they produced these past few years. 5d4 is a good camera, but it wont last more than a year innovation wise when Sony comes and trounces all over it. Nikon is doing it now. Believe me, i am pro Canon........but they appear to have given up or lack any ability. Sorry for my low post count and I dont brag about the equipment i have (and its no powershot, LOL) at the bottom of this email, nor will i ever. Helllllllllllllo thieves!

LOL! Sounds like you have been bashed in the head with that crackpipe.

Cell phone 4k ;D are you really going to make that argument...

What innovation are we actually talking about here because I need a camera that works and most of all the sony release cameras have a huge flaw that they overheat, super uncomfortable to use, the IQ isn't really miles better in the real world and the fact the colour is not a touch on canon cameras. Nikon cameras are plagued with mechanical issues, neither Nikon or sony can come close to CPS either.

You have been smoking the marketing crack pretty deep.

After shooting a wedding for 12 hours I'm tired, the canon cameras are amazingly ergonomic and I'm still sore. I don't have particularly big hands pretty average and I can't grip the sony cameras comfortably in any way shape or form and the lenses are so front heavy that it really puts a strain on your right wrist from offsetting the camera body. I would dread shooting an hour with one let alone 12. If the thing had the best IQ and shoot 120fps at 200mp... but if I'm not comfortable I won't get good images.

Nikon are being brave in the market because they are in serious trouble they don't really have much else to do than go full throttle which means in the short term its great but they have played all their best cards and have put a question mark on a lot of the other cameras in their own line up releasing the 850. Also what will people expect in 3-5 years time a 100mp camera shooting 20fps its not sustainable. You have to be realistic.

The A9 is on paper an incredible camera but again its not getting the incredible feedback the specs suggest and thats the whole point! It doesn't matter what the specs are on paper, if you have to prove you have the bigger crackpipe by buying one then please do us all a favour and swap system.

Im not interested in hype and marketing, I evaluate what I can see and if you can't do that for yourself and make a decent image with your imaginary canon gear then theres a bigger problem than an few extra stops of DR.

 

[LonelyBoy]

I'm comparing these images directly with bot the 80D and the 6D, and the 6D Mk II is clearly the best one of the lot.

NO ! This cannot be - the internet says the 80D is better !

And they have charts to prove it!

 

[Don Haines]

OMG no, dude, I WANT a 5div or a 6d2 BUT not something built for today. Sony/Nikon, and others are presently running over Canon with creativity and innovation. Heck, even cell phones, 4k right? CAnon is not listening or doing a damn thing for thier 'clients' that shoot canon and have succumbed to the L lens crackpipe. CAnon is my first choice, and i am furious over the crap they produced these past few years. 5d4 is a good camera, but it wont last more than a year innovation wise when Sony comes and trounces all over it. Nikon is doing it now. Believe me, i am pro Canon........but they appear to have given up or lack any ability. Sorry for my low post count and I dont brag about the equipment i have (and its no powershot, LOL) at the bottom of this email, nor will i ever. Helllllllllllllo thieves!

LOL! Sounds like you have been bashed in the head with that crackpipe.

Cell phone 4k ;D are you really going to make that argument...

What innovation are we actually talking about here because I need a camera that works and most of all the sony release cameras have a huge flaw that they overheat, super uncomfortable to use, the IQ isn't really miles better in the real world and the fact the colour is not a touch on canon cameras. Nikon cameras are plagued with mechanical issues, neither Nikon or sony can come close to CPS either.

You have been smoking the marketing crack pretty deep.

After shooting a wedding for 12 hours I'm tired, the canon cameras are amazingly ergonomic and I'm still sore. I don't have particularly big hands pretty average and I can't grip the sony cameras comfortably in any way shape or form and the lenses are so front heavy that it really puts a strain on your right wrist from offsetting the camera body. I would dread shooting an hour with one let alone 12. If the thing had the best IQ and shoot 120fps at 200mp... but if I'm not comfortable I won't get good images.

Nikon are being brave in the market because they are in serious trouble they don't really have much else to do than go full throttle which means in the short term its great but they have played all their best cards and have put a question mark on a lot of the other cameras in their own line up releasing the 850. Also what will people expect in 3-5 years time a 100mp camera shooting 20fps its not sustainable. You have to be realistic.

The A9 is on paper an incredible camera but again its not getting the incredible feedback the specs suggest and thats the whole point! It doesn't matter what the specs are on paper, if you have to prove you have the bigger crackpipe by buying one then please do us all a favour and swap system.

Im not interested in hype and marketing, I evaluate what I can see and if you can't do that for yourself and make a decent image with your imaginary canon gear then theres a bigger problem than an few extra stops of DR.

+1

There is an awful lot to be said for good ergonomics on a body that works with no surprises....

 

[malarcky]

I'm comparing these images directly with bot the 80D and the 6D, and the 6D Mk II is clearly the best one of the lot.

NO ! This cannot be - the internet says the 80D is better !

And they have charts to prove it!

That's where everyone gets it wrong. The 6D Mk II has a unique noise floor that is hard to describe. The high ISO pictures taken with it beat the others mentioned hands down, like I said before. You simply cannot point to a chart and ask it to measure the unique character of a camera's noise floor. I am using the term "noise floor" loosely. I don't know if it's the correct term to describe what I'm trying to quantify, or describe, but the camera has the ability to make high ISO pictures look better than the 80D and/or the 6D. The "charts" you refer to are not able to show what I'm describing, and whatever piece of paper you are referring to are useless in the real world when it comes to the human eye and it's ability to interpret the image quality I am trying to describe with words.

 

[Sporgon]

I'm comparing these images directly with bot the 80D and the 6D, and the 6D Mk II is clearly the best one of the lot.

NO ! This cannot be - the internet says the 80D is better !

and the release of the D850 will render all other camera's obsolete after it's release.

Phew ! Sanity restored

I was using hyperbole but I really am stunned by the praise these existing and future Nikon cameras get all of a sudden, while the Canon 6D Mk II is getting trashed at every turn it seems. I really love this camera, as pairing it up with the 80D, I feel like Canon did everything I was asking them to do. I love having the DPAF, along with the all cross type focus points now on this full frame release. The addition of the touch/flip/tilt screen makes the transition imperceptible, so it's just a really comfortable GUI now, and the wireless capabilities will only get better and hopefully make the 6D Mk II able to transfer images in real time to a laptop or phone in order to make having dual card slots less of a concern to those shooting weddings and so forth.

Don't worry, successful gear such as 6D, 35 IS, 70-300L, et al got panned by the Internet on release

 

[Talys]

That's where everyone gets it wrong. The 6D Mk II has a unique noise floor that is hard to describe.

Here: I'll try. Pictures are worth a thousand words, right?

Below are 2 full res versions of the following image:

ISO A: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/heron-rock-a.jpg
ISO B: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/heron-rock-b.jpg

One is ISO 500, and the other is ISO 2500. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to tell the difference, but in my opinion, they're startlingly similar. If the JPEG quality were notched down by just 1, you probably wouldn't see the difference.

This one, though should be fun:

ISO A: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/dragonfly-01.jpg
ISO B: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/dragonfly-02.jpg

One is ISO 200, and the other is ISO 1600. Can you tell which is which without looking at the EXIF? I can't.

 

[SecureGSM]

Hi Talys,

ISO B : ISO 200
ISO A : ISO 1600

I am likely correct, but am viewing images on 75" screen side by side and what I am able to notice is not necessarily evident to some (many) other photogs.

6D II High ISO files are very clean, there is no doubt about it.

btw, I was running with 5D III and 6D original cams for a couple of gigs side by side and was thoroughly disappointed with 5D III high ISO performance past ISO 3200 to the point that I decided to let it go.
I sold the cam today for A$1,850 and will be looking to replace it with 5D IV in coming days.

This one, though should be fun:

ISO A: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/dragonfly-01.jpg
ISO B: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/dragonfly-02.jpg

One is ISO 200, and the other is ISO 1600. Can you tell which is which without looking at the EXIF? I can't.

 

[Talys]

Hi Talys,

ISO B : ISO 200
ISO A : ISO 1600

You are correct! 8)

The 6DII's "noise floor" as malarcky was trying to describe, is just remarkable and hard to quantify on a chart. It doesn't look remarkable without noise reduction, but both Lightroom and DPP's NR are just seemingly able to remove the noise without destroying detail in a really effective way. It's a massive improvement over 80D, for sure.

What's even more remarkable for me, though, is that I shot all of these from about the same spot -- while waiting for herons to take flight (they can stay in one spot for hours), I got an up-close dragonfly, some moth-butterfly thingy, any number of bugs, a kingfisher, and many ducks -- all with the 100-400L II handheld, and it is light enough that I don't kill myself shooting with it for a few hours.

These were a few other photos I took from there --

Full Res: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/mothra_fw.jpg

Full Res: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/BIF-Mallard-01_W.jpg

They were at the same lake as the heron, who rewarded my patience... eventually... by launching off the rock, giving me many interesting shots:

Full Res: http://talys.icxi.com/isotest/From-Rock_FW.jpg

I'm glad that I managed to get some photos in before the 6DII becomes obsolete ;D

 

[SecureGSM]

Very nice shots, Talys. well done, my friend. I am also liking your new signature in the bottom right corner. looks good there.

 

[Mikehit]

OMG no, dude, I WANT a 5div or a 6d2 BUT not something built for today. Sony/Nikon, and others are presently running over Canon with creativity and innovation. Heck, even cell phones, 4k right? CAnon is not listening or doing a damn thing for thier 'clients' that shoot canon and have succumbed to the L lens crackpipe. CAnon is my first choice, and i am furious over the crap they produced these past few years. 5d4 is a good camera, but it wont last more than a year innovation wise when Sony comes and trounces all over it. Nikon is doing it now. Believe me, i am pro Canon........but they appear to have given up or lack any ability. Sorry for my low post count and I dont brag about the equipment i have (and its no powershot, LOL) at the bottom of this email, nor will i ever. Helllllllllllllo thieves!

What do you mean by "BUT not something built for today." Every manufacturer builds for today. Your comment pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

I see no real innovation with Nikon and Sony that Canon are not doing. The only (and I mean the ONLY) reasons that Sony and Nikon have the kudos they do is because of their superior sensor and they cram everything they can into one body. Canon IS listening to its customers - they just aren't listening to you. If they were not listening they would not remain #1 after so many years - and that is a marketing reality (just not your definition of reality).
Just what ability do Sony and Nikon have that Canon does not? You keep on mentioning this as an opinion but never actually mention any facts. Just because Canon do not put full 4K in the 5DIV does not mean they lack the ability to do so.
In fact, where is SoNikon dual pixel AF? Or Sony's long wide-aperture primes?
Where is Sony's user-friendly interface? Or after sales service? These are easier to solve than Canon designing a new sensor.

You keep talking in bland, non-specific marketing-speak but never any actual discussion about facts and capabilities.

 

[privatebydesign]

You keep talking in bland, non-specific marketing-speak but never any actual discussion about facts and capabilities.

Exactly. Meanwhile Canon bring out three new tilt shift macro lenses including a new 135mm, and the fastest aperture stabilized lens they have made in the perfect 'go to' portrait focal length, 85mm! Add in the DRone killer fact that my 1DX MkII has class leading DR and the reports from people who actually upgraded to the 6D MkII, who seem to be universally loving it and the results they are getting just makes these regurgitating forum fodder fools sound even more foolish.

Discussion about actual capabilities sounds great, I wish they would engage in that! These people never mention things like on top of the D850 $3,300 purchase price you need to spend an additional $916 to get the listed performance out of it! Or any of the severe spec limitations when using the A9, like frame rates down to 5 fps if you do what is so often suggested and "use your current glass".

 

[scyrene]

It is my opinion that as a wedding photographer you should get a 2 slot camera although I understand that the possibility of anything happening is close to zero. But almost close to zero is not zero.

Can we please not get into this again? It's been discussed ad nauseam on other threads and nobody is going to agree.

 

[scyrene]

I am likely correct, but am viewing images on 75" screen side by side and what I am able to notice is not necessarily evident to some (many) other photogs.

How far away from that do you have to sit?!