Scott Kelby 7D Mark II Real World

I just reviewed the field report and I felt that they provided real time feedback on the capability of this new exciting camera. Scott and his team did a fantastic job without getting into the detailed technical specifications. The proof is in the pictures. Well Done!
 
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Looks like DIGIC 6 is doing a decent job. Not FF level quality, but definitely better than the 7D at high ISO.

The thing that was surprising to me was the amount of color noise in the boke background of the ISO 100 shot...seems like a lot of color noise for midtones.... ??? I'm hoping it's just a JPEG encoding thing, and that it wouldn't be there in the RAW.

Which begs the question...where are some 7D II RAW images? The OOC JPEGS look good for an APS-C, and that's probably primarily due to the DIGIC 6 processor...but how are the RAWs? Are the RAWs cooked by DIGIC 6 like the JPEGS? If not...is RAW IQ going to suffer?
 
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jrista said:
Which begs the question...where are some 7D II RAW images?

Probably all 7d2 reviewers had to sign an nda to hold back the raw images?

Reasons would be that the usual suspects can optimize their raw converters for the 7d2 so no sub-par raw conversions are used in reviews. And of course (conspiracy theory goes here) that the sooc jpegs are like Canon wants them to look, while in-depth raw reviews might discover the skeleton in the 7d2's closet sooner than necessary ...
 
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Ok, another curious thing. Kelby said in the video that the 7D II was 24mp. Is that true? I thought the specs said it was 20.2mp. If it's 24mp, then I am now rather intrigued...that would mean Canon really did create a new sensor, instead of just revamping the 70D sensor with a minor DPAF improvement.

I am not entirely sure about noise...I'd prefer to see RAW to determine how much better than the 7D it is. One thing that I think is Canon seems to have improved is their color fidelity. None of my Canon cameras have ever produced color quality quite like the 7D II appears to. That was a very big complaint of mine about Canon...their lower Q.E. really hurts their color fidelity. I am not sure if this is a DIGIC 6 trick, or whether Canon actually updated their sensor technology...but if the RAW images have the same kind of color fidelity as Kelby's sports JPEGS, then they finally did something to improve their IQ. That's at least a step forward in the right direction (midtone color noise at ISO 100 aside...that's kind of an annoying problem, but it may just be jpeg compression artifacts.)
 
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Yeah I heard him say 24MP twice also. I was extremely disappointed, given the fact that the released camera will have only 20. I honestly believe canon made it 24MP but decided to use the 20mp in this body so they could keep the camera cheap and sell more. :mad:

edit- and not only what I said above, but also that overall 24MP would just be "too good" for such a camera. Have to keep the FF pro body cameras looking good and the owners of 1-dx happy, etc.
 
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flyingSquirrel said:
Yeah I heard him say 24MP twice also. I was extremely disappointed, given the fact that the released camera will have only 20. I honestly believe canon made it 24MP but decided to use the 20mp in this body so they could keep the camera cheap and sell more. :mad:

I think you are right. The early talk was that several prototypes including a 24mp sensor body were being tested. Maybe the one he was using is one of those? That or he just mixed up the specs with an earlier prototype.
 
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candc said:
I checked the sample images posted on his blog and they are 5472x3648=20mp same as 70d. They look good but I think its the same basic sensor as the 70d, maybe with a few tweaks in the processing but likely the same hardware.

Yupp! That's almost the same as what I did - I checked the resolution on the shots shown during the video. So he had a pre-production with the same size sensor as the coming real one.
 
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flyingSquirrel said:
Yeah I heard him say 24MP twice also. I was extremely disappointed, given the fact that the released camera will have only 20. I honestly believe canon made it 24MP but decided to use the 20mp in this body so they could keep the camera cheap and sell more. :mad:

edit- and not only what I said above, but also that overall 24MP would just be "too good" for such a camera. Have to keep the FF pro body cameras looking good and the owners of 1-dx happy, etc.
With the same fab techology, the 24mp and 20mp sensor will be the same cost. May be Canon is trying to see which one will have a better performance in noise and DR through out the ISO range.
 
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candc said:
I checked the sample images posted on his blog and they are 5472x3648=20mp same as 70d. They look good but I think its the same basic sensor as the 70d, maybe with a few tweaks in the processing but likely the same hardware.

Thanks for checking that. Extremely disappointing. I would not doubt however that it's possible that these were shot at 24mp and then downsized (and the metadata stripped......) to cover it up!!
 
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jrista said:
Looks like DIGIC 6 is doing a decent job. Not FF level quality, but definitely better than the 7D at high ISO.

The thing that was surprising to me was the amount of color noise in the boke background of the ISO 100 shot...seems like a lot of color noise for midtones.... ??? I'm hoping it's just a JPEG encoding thing, and that it wouldn't be there in the RAW.

Which begs the question...where are some 7D II RAW images? The OOC JPEGS look good for an APS-C, and that's probably primarily due to the DIGIC 6 processor...but how are the RAWs? Are the RAWs cooked by DIGIC 6 like the JPEGS? If not...is RAW IQ going to suffer?
The outdoor shots in decent light look OK.
Just a quick look but, amongst the noise, in lower midtones of some of the smooth OOF areas, it still kinda looks like some repetitive vertical pattern structures are faintly visible... :-\
 
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flyingSquirrel said:
I would not doubt however that it's possible that these were shot at 24mp and then downsized (and the metadata stripped......) to cover it up!!

Sure, a 7d2 with more resolution than the expensive 5d3, and pigs can fly :->

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candc said:
flyingSquirrel said:
Yeah I heard him say 24MP twice also. I was extremely disappointed, given the fact that the released camera will have only 20. I honestly believe canon made it 24MP but decided to use the 20mp in this body so they could keep the camera cheap and sell more. :mad:

I think you are right. The early talk was that several prototypes including a 24mp sensor body were being tested. Maybe the one he was using is one of those? That or he just mixed up the specs with an earlier prototype.

If it was genuinely a 24mp prototype, we may see even more improved high iso noise in the 20mp version. There are a lot of comments posted on Scott Kelby's blog. Only George asks about the 24mp blooper, and it's unanswered by Kelby.

Anyway, we'll see soon enough. Personally I'd prefer a lower noise, faster clearing 20mp 7DII.

-pw
 
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Marsu42 said:
jrista said:
Which begs the question...where are some 7D II RAW images?

Probably all 7d2 reviewers had to sign an nda to hold back the raw images?

Reasons would be that the usual suspects can optimize their raw converters for the 7d2 so no sub-par raw conversions are used in reviews. And of course (conspiracy theory goes here) that the sooc jpegs are like Canon wants them to look, while in-depth raw reviews might discover the skeleton in the 7d2's closet sooner than necessary ...

You can download RAW images from Imaging resource at various ISO levels so they are out there. The jpeg images I've seen pretty much match the 70D. I downloaded a raw image, but then realized that Lightroom would not develop it, and I did not want to fool around with other software for a camera I do not intend to buy.

I try to compare resolution, color saturation, and contrast with a similar image from different models. The 1D MK IV beat the 7D MK II by about one stop as expected.
 
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jrista said:
Looks like DIGIC 6 is doing a decent job. Not FF level quality, but definitely better than the 7D at high ISO.

The thing that was surprising to me was the amount of color noise in the boke background of the ISO 100 shot...seems like a lot of color noise for midtones.... ??? I'm hoping it's just a JPEG encoding thing, and that it wouldn't be there in the RAW.

Which begs the question...where are some 7D II RAW images? The OOC JPEGS look good for an APS-C, and that's probably primarily due to the DIGIC 6 processor...but how are the RAWs? Are the RAWs cooked by DIGIC 6 like the JPEGS? If not...is RAW IQ going to suffer?

Imaging Resource has lots of 7D2 RAW files posted.
 
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