Scott Kelby 7D Mark II Real World

[pdirestajr]

The 7D2 is going to sell very well. No thanks to the many threads on CR that have been bashing this camera (pre-release). Chill people, if it isn't for you move on! Any Canon product success is good for the brand's future. If you hate Canon and "their lack of innovation" there actually are other companies that make and sell cameras.

 

[Gary W.]

Hey all,

If I could change ONE thing, I would make the body have the integrated grip like the 1D series. Nothing else.

Gary W.

 

[GmwDarkroom]

If I could change ONE thing, I would make the body have the integrated grip like the 1D series. Nothing else.

I was thinking this when the camera was initially announced and speculation was that it would be a crop version of a 1DX.

However since I've gotten a grip for my 60D, I love it. It's on at all times -- except when I do macro tripod work. I initially thought things would be fine, but there are situations when it got in the way for trying to manipulate the camera around. One spot in particular was when I reversed the center column for low shots. The grip added bulk and I really liked the flexibility that I could take it off and get the extra wiggle room.

 

[Dylan777]

Hey all,

If I could change ONE thing, I would make the body have the integrated grip like the 1D series. Nothing else.

Gary W.

Many would hate that Gary. But I love my 1dx grip. It feels good when shooting with large lenses. Take that back, it's fun even I shoot with 40pancake ;D

 

[candc]

I have a 70d and like it but for me its too small, the AF can be innacurate (especially in low light) and the buffer is too small when there is a lot of action going on and you are shooting a lot. There is nothing worse than pressing the shutter and nothing happens because the camera is busy writing to the card. The 7dii addresses these issues so I ordered one. It may be the best crop camera to come down the pipe but there is blowback because canon reps themselves said this camera was going to be "revolutionary" not "incremental". The fact is its highly evolved but not really revolutionary. I don't think there is anything new being debuted.

On the grip, I don't think there is any additional benefit from an integrated one over an add on one so its an option if you want it but not stuck with it you don't.

 

[coreyhkh]

Wow so many haters what did all you people do 10 years ago when camera sucked.

 

[FTb-n]

No grip. I haven't tried one and can't say that I wouldn't like it, but I love that my 5D3's are more compact, lighter, and easier to carry than with the added bulk and weight of the grip. If I shot extensively in vertical, I can see the benefit, but I find the standard grip quite comfortable in both directions. No grip was a good move. Let the customer decide if grip needs to be added.

One note about Kelby's review. Those ISO 16,000 images did look great without any added noise reduction. But, how much of this is the sensor and how much is the DIGIC 6 and its in-camera RAW conversion with in-camera noise reduction? This is where I wish we could have seen the RAW images.

It was interesting to note Kelby's claim that he shoots JPEGs for sports -- then to complain about the 5D3's buffer. I use my 5D3's primarily for sports and it only buffers if I burst in RAW. Just now, I tested a 54 frame burst in JPEG with no hesitation whatsoever. (I know, a minor nit.)

 

[risc32]

So it's being referred to as the 1dx light. that's not surprising, they said the same thing with the 40d and 1dmk3, and i bet the same about others as well.
Not like i forgot, but watching this video reaffirmed to me the differences between pros and everyone else. Here Scott about losses it because he thought he lost his "lock" button. I have no idea what a lock button is,what it's for, do i even have one currently? i have no idea and i bet most of us don't either. But to Scott and guys who run like him, it's big. Then scott misspoke a few times and said something like 24mp. well, to him he probably doesn't really give a damn, as long as it's in the ballpark of what's the norm. But to some at home, that would be a pretty big thing, an extra 4million pixels? sweet!! That doesn't count for Jrista. He's on the hunt for a sign that canon is dumping money into their sensor tech, not really a few more MP. Same goes for RAW -vs- jpg. scott and his crew don't really care about RAW performance. You could squeeze out 2stops of DR/ ISO out of a RAW file and they won't care. they don't have time for that. Basically they want it to work as expected, no surprises, nail focus, have a long lasting battery and be dead reliable.
when these guys start really getting excited over it being such a great thing it is to have a 1.6 crop, my mind started to wander. really, ?! it's great! sure, if you say so.. care to swap me for your 1dx? And mom and dad don't HAVE to buy a 1dx to take photos of their kids playing sports? really? that's.....well,that's just retarded, and i'm not going to touch that one.
all that said, i've never heard of scott kelby before this but he seems like he's probably a good guy.

just a quick question, does the 7dmk2 have bright AF points or are we going to pretend that isn't a thing again?

one more, is anyone out there going to mention the insane awesomeness that they are claiming to do with indoor arena lighting? I'm at a loss for how little attention this is getting. it looks to be as cool as velcro laces!

 

[risc32]

It was interesting to note Kelby's claim that he shoots JPEGs for sports -- then to complain about the 5D3's buffer. I use my 5D3's primarily for sports and it only buffers if I burst in RAW. Just now, I tested a 54 frame burst in JPEG with no hesitation whatsoever. (I know, a minor nit.)

i caught that too, but forgot to mention it. my 5dmk3 isn't buffer limited while shooting jpgs, and it clears fast.

another, you guys looking for a smaller camera. again, that's not what scott would be looking for. lighter, sure. they would gladly take that, but they work that camera for hrs, they want it to fit their hand. full grown man hands, and work with those hands in the winter when they wear gloves. I just don't think this distinction is fully realized. basically, what scott wants and what many of us want are two different things.

 

[Mr_EMan]

It was interesting to note Kelby's claim that he shoots JPEGs for sports -- then to complain about the 5D3's buffer.

I interpreted that as he has to shoot JPEGs because he can’t convert the RAW yet.

 

[FTb-n]

Not like i forgot, but watching this video reaffirmed to me the differences between pros and everyone else. Here Scott about losses it because he thought he lost his "lock" button. I have no idea what a lock button is,what it's for, do i even have one currently?

I do enjoy listening to the pros talk shop and often learn something when they do. Today, I learned how to switch the RATE button (that I never used) to a LOCK button. So, after watching this video and re-assigning my RATE button, I'll see if I can speed up my workflow by selecting images in-camera as Kelby does.

Workflow is how I was introduced to Kelby. He blogged about his method during the Olympics and I found it quite helpful.

The sports that I shoot are middle-school to high-school level and I typically shoot 400-600 images a game. This depends heavily on the talent on the court. Older kids tend to be faster and give me more opportunities, so I shoot more. I tend to depend on timing more than spray and pray. Part of this is old school habit from film. But, I learned quickly with my 7D that burst mode can give a lot of images that you're going to cull later. So, I try to time the shots and selectively burst, in part, to simplify the culling process. I also think that my success rate of capturing those moments are better with timing than spraying. Granted, with 12 FPS of the 1Dx, the spray method is may be more successful.

Kelby is used to 12 FPS with the 1Dx and seems to like using it. Plus, he's burning out a 7DII battery after only one game. I can't imagine the number of images that he must go through.

I do have to take issue with Kelby's assertion that the 5D3 isn't a sports body. It is limited to 6 FPS. But, the AF is clearly sports oriented. Most of us not shooting professional sports can find the 6 FPS quite suitable. It all depends upon the sport, the level of play, and one's dependency upon burst mode.

 

[FTb-n]

It was interesting to note Kelby's claim that he shoots JPEGs for sports -- then to complain about the 5D3's buffer.

I interpreted that as he has to shoot JPEGs because he can’t convert the RAW yet.

He did state that he shot both the game and the wedding in JPEG because he couldn't convert the RAW yet. But, I thought he also said that he "always shoots in sports in JPEG". I assumed he does this speed up his workflow and turnaround time to get his images to his client during half-time and after the game.

 

[miah]

Hi Everybody:
Just wanted to clarify a few things from the broadcast that I saw were questions here:

(1) It's is 20.2 megapixels and always has been since I first heard of the camera. That was just a total brain-freeze on my part. I don't have a 24-megapixel version. That was just me misstating one of the specs.
(2) The reason I didn't shoot in Raw was because I don't have any program that is updated to support the unreleased camera. No support yet for Lightroom or Camera Raw, so I had to shoot JPEGs. That being said, I shoot JPEGs for sports either way, but I would have shot some just for example purposes.
(3) I am not sponsored by Canon. I hope to be one day, but at this point, I am not so I bought my Canon gear by selling my Nikon gear -- it was not given to me by Canon. I did get some loaner gear to try out. Nikon let me use loaner gear from time to time, too. So did Sony. Now, if I could just get Hassleblad… ;-)

High five to Forum member Sabaki. I'm with ya.

All my best,

-Scott Kelby

Thanks for chiming in, Scott. To paraphrase the comedians, this forum can be a "tough crowd." I found your video and the two books of yours I own to be quite helpful and encourage you to keep at it. It seems that photographers in general and Canonites in particular (?) are eager to know as much as possible as soon as possible in the hopes that the latest technology will improve their art/work/hobby in some meaningful way. A lot of interested folks here read the Photokina press release on the 7D2 and have watched or read a few pre-release reviews such as your video. But until production cameras are released and lots of RAW images shot at a variety of ISO's are available for scrutiny, the purists here on CR will likely remain skeptical--if not downright hostile.

Personally, I see this camera as a perfect compliment to the 5D3. In addition to the ergonomics and many of its features being identical (no need to relearn or adapt when rapidly grabbing one body or the other), it offers near 1DX fps along with crop-sensor reach. And let's not downplay the price: $1799 is a surprisingly great price for this body!

My wife--who thinks you see one camera you've seen 'em all--reacted negatively when I proposed pre-ordering a 7D2 to use in concert with my 5D3. I knew I had one shot to explain why my beloved 5D needs a mate, so I offered her this simple explanation: "Honey, they're two different animals. The 5D is for subjects close and/or slow, the 7D far and/or fast."

To which she replied, "Huh, I guess that makes sense."

 

[Quasimodo]

On the grip, I don't think there is any additional benefit from an integrated one over an add on one so its an option if you want it but not stuck with it you don't.

Well the integrated grip lets you use the LP-4N battery which has a more power (voltage) to it, thus will enable you to gain incrimental speed on the AF of your lenses, and they also last longer. That said, given that 7D II is a pro-sumer camera, not having an integrated grip is sound (even if it will be used extensively by professionals as well as amateurs).

 

[Eldar]

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

Joining photography forums for me was abou improving my knowledge and interacting with like minded people.

Seems what I didn't realize is the immense amount of negative sentiment that gets pushed on here. The constant, rabid want for suspicion and failure is becoming super stale.

Time to move on maybe.

There are other photography sites where actual useful posts can be found

But really, from an entertainment point of view, how can you beat CR?

Just don't take anything here seriously and enjoy the slap fights. ;D

 

[Quasimodo]

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.

I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

Edit: In all fairness, I asked this question unrelated to the 7D II, so it might yield another answer...

 

[Eldar]

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.

I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

I knew they didn't for their previous models, but that would be a very strong argument to get one and from a design perspective, it is not that difficult to make a parallel version. Tesla Model-S have 7000 batteries in parallel, so Canon should be able to make 2 work :

 

[Marsu42]

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.

I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

To be expected, Canon is quite zealous in guarding the 1dx-only features (faster af speed, af-linked spot, ..., no Magic Lantern). If they trickle down the af (5d3) & rgb metering (7d2) and don't find anything new to add to the 1d, this will only make them stick more to the exclusive features left.

 

[Quasimodo]

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.

I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

To be expected, Canon is quite zealous in guarding the 1dx-only features (faster af speed, af-linked spot, ..., no Magic Lantern). If they trickle down the af (5d3) & rgb metering (7d2) and don't find anything new to add to the 1d, this will only make them stick more to the exclusive features left.

Quote from: Eldar on Today at 07:20:48 AM

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.




I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

Edit: In all fairness, I asked this question unrelated to the 7D II, so it might yield another answer...Modify message

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