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Well done, Alan.
A couple of red-throated loon nested on a stretch we fished in the river Svartá, in Bardardalur on Iceland. Two young ones had hatched, while one egg was left unhatched in the nest. A very nice experience to fly fish, with the beautiful call from the loon in the background. This image is shot after 10 pm, so lighting was less than favourable.
5DSR, 100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS II @400mm, 1/250s, f5.6, ISO1250.
The loon is not to happy to have people around, so this image is heavily cropped. But, due to the 5DSR´s resolution, I still got 14,5MP. With the 1DXII I could have gone higher on ISO and played more with shutter speed and aperture, but the resulting image would have been only 5,6MP.
5DSR, 100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS II @400mm, 1/250s, f5.6, ISO1250.
The loon is not to happy to have people around, so this image is heavily cropped. But, due to the 5DSR´s resolution, I still got 14,5MP. With the 1DXII I could have gone higher on ISO and played more with shutter speed and aperture, but the resulting image would have been only 5,6MP.
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Eldar, you have outlined the problem nicely. Apparently, there are more than a few, like me, who would be happy with a 1D body that didn't satisfy the extreme speed need or the extreme resolution need. I guess it would cost prohibitive to make two versions of the 1DX II, but that's what is needed. While two cameras are needed in many situations for pros, others would be much happier with a single camera, for example when hiking, since we are already burdened by significant weight and bulk. In the past, a 1D camera meant "best" but now it's more like "best in a niche".
We need an option in the 1D realm so that we could have all the pro features, with some choice over FPS and MP. I guess the problem would be, what to include/exclude in a 1DX/1DY choice scenario.
Back to your 5DSR shot here, even though you have the MP's are you overall happy with the IQ that has resulted? We are then into the personal psychological realm of what makes the cut and what doesn't. My recent experience with the young foxes playing at quite a distance represents a dilemma not unlike yours. I lacked FPS, reach, and I had to compromise on ISO pushing up to 4000 in order to have at least 1/1000 shutter (shady location), which really wasn't quite enough with 600 mm, for the action.
Neither the 1DX II nor the 5DSR would have fully resolved my issue. Of course a super expensive super large lens might have helped but then I would have lost my portability. When folk say the best camera is the one in your hands I don't think they are really visualizing such situations as this.
Jack
We need an option in the 1D realm so that we could have all the pro features, with some choice over FPS and MP. I guess the problem would be, what to include/exclude in a 1DX/1DY choice scenario.
Back to your 5DSR shot here, even though you have the MP's are you overall happy with the IQ that has resulted? We are then into the personal psychological realm of what makes the cut and what doesn't. My recent experience with the young foxes playing at quite a distance represents a dilemma not unlike yours. I lacked FPS, reach, and I had to compromise on ISO pushing up to 4000 in order to have at least 1/1000 shutter (shady location), which really wasn't quite enough with 600 mm, for the action.
Neither the 1DX II nor the 5DSR would have fully resolved my issue. Of course a super expensive super large lens might have helped but then I would have lost my portability. When folk say the best camera is the one in your hands I don't think they are really visualizing such situations as this.
Jack
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The IQ of this particular image is not that good. But I don´t shoot loons with chickens very often and it was getting close to midnight. It was also slightly under exposed, so I had to lift it a bit and lighting is a bit dull. But I thought it was an example of what you can do with a 5DSR, with acceptable results.Jack Douglas said:
If I had to choose just one camera for everything, it would be the 1DX-II. I neet fps and I need low light performance quite often. I also like the better performing AF system. However, since I can have two, I find the 1DX-II/5DSR combo to be very close to ideal. In your case, I would seriously consider a 1DX/5DSR combo, rather than a 1DX-II, unless you have 4k video on your must-have-list. But I believe I have said that before
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Eldar said:
But I think the point is you don't have pixel level resolution, so the fact you have 14 million of them is close to irrelevant. I'd venture that the 5 or 6 million from the 1DX MkII (or MkI) would still have given you a 'better' image.
Generally the lack of noise in the smaller file will allow a lot more sharpening than the bigger file and hence mitigate the lack of apparent resolution due to the flat light.
In focal length limited situations I have found the smaller pixels only help in very few situations and they all involve optimal light, iso, aperture, shutter speed and suitable stability. More often than not most f us don't shoot in those optimal conditions and so the fewer but bigger and higher quality pixels give a better end result.
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privatebydesign said:
Amen to that.
privatebydesign said:
But if you reduced the 14 MP file down to 6 wouldn't you reduce noise and reduce need for further sharpening ? Wouldn't this reduce perceived difference ?
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I agree that a 1DX-II image, at lower resolution, would, in this case, give a "better" image. The only time I believe the 5DSR trumps with its higher resolution is when you have enough light, in order to avoid noise and shake issues. As an example, I (accidentally) made this shot in sRAW, which after a cropping to 1:1 format gave me a 1.824x1.824 pixel image. It is a totally different image and it was correctly exposed in the first place, so the comparison is a bit unfair, but it shows the quality you get from a 3.3MP 1DX-II image (at ISO4000). And Scott, since you are the print wizard amongst us, how big could you print this?privatebydesign said:
PS! The only adjustment made to this image is a +10 in saturation, nothing else. I suppose most of us could live with that noise
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Sporgon said:
In theory they should be very similar, in my experience normalising, in this case down sampling the smaller pixels, doesn't quite add up to the bigger pixels in the first place. But I think you'll find the results should be close enough to leapfrog each other with incremental sensor improvements. The 5Dsr should be 'better' than the 1DX but the 1DX MkII should be 'better' than the 5Dsr.
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Eldar said:......but it shows the quality you get from a 3.3MP 1DX-II image (at ISO4000). And Scott, since you are the print wizard amongst us, how big could you print this?
PS! The only adjustment made to this image is a +10 in saturation, nothing else. I suppose most of us could live with that noise
I just worked it up to a 16"x16" @ 240dpi. It would make a nice high quality print at that size and that was just working your jpeg, give me the sRAW and I'm sure I could do better.
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I sent you the link to the sRAW-file as a PM.privatebydesign said:Eldar said:......but it shows the quality you get from a 3.3MP 1DX-II image (at ISO4000). And Scott, since you are the print wizard amongst us, how big could you print this?
PS! The only adjustment made to this image is a +10 in saturation, nothing else. I suppose most of us could live with that noise
I just worked it up to a 16"x16" @ 240dpi. It would make a nice high quality print at that size and that was just working your jpeg, give me the sRAW and I'm sure I could do better.
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Stop this whingeing about the inadequacies of the 5DS R. This is what it took on Saturday with a bare 300mm f/2.8 II attached. A gannet flying past. Some guy with a brand new 1DX II (dropped on the first day to bend the flashgun shoe) told me earlier that the Canon rep had advised him he would have to shoot on tripod to get the resolution from a 5DS R - it's equivalent to saying all APS-Cs require a tripod.
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I don´t think this has to do with whingeing about the inadequacies of the 5DSR. It is more about the quality of the larger pixels of a 1DX-II. I enjoy my 5DSR a lot, but when light is less than favourable, the benefits of the high resolution is reduced. As I have said numerous times, the perfect combo for me is a 1DX-II and a 5DSR.AlanF said:
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