SL1 or Fuji X-EX1 or Sony Nex 6?? Would like your thoughts
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As Canon has absolutely no intention of bringing out small and compact EF-S primes, I am personally going with micro-4/3 for this aspect of my photography ... Canon will from now only be for the tele-photo stuff.
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These r the kind of questions which start arguments and make divorce lawyers wealthy. Dump the old gal for the young spirited model who just fascinates u with her sleek lines and taste in lenses. If u really like the Canon u have I agree with others: stay the course and buy another Canon to find a second home 4 your lenses. But if u want to experiment w/o getting rid of your soul mate than pick up a new one at the corner store and take her for a spin. There is no answer. Only u can decide. Is the IQ good enough? How's that DR. What's the ISO capacity? That's all old school. You want the latest. You know what. Open the wallet and get yourself the one u've been eyeing. That's the only way u'll ever know.
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I can't speak as to the SL1 or the NEX6 as I haven't had a chance to play with them. I do have a few words about the X-E1. Nice build and capable to delivering terrific images. I also like the Fuji lens line up. The EVF in the Fuji is sad. The refresh rate on it is fantastically slow. Constantly jumping around until you depress the shutter release down halfway, which if you are in MF means that the camera won't focus anymore, at all. If you release the shutter button you get your MF back but the EVF begins jumping around again. If you choose AF, its painfully slow. My 6y/o Lumix GF1 eats its lunch in focus speed. Also, the Fuji in AF never seems to just focus and lock on, it always passes the point of focus by a small amount and then returns to focus and locks in. Way too slow for me.
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Rienzphotoz said:
Lol. I hate NOT taking my 5D anywhere because it's so large, so now, in those situations, I whack the pancake on and throw it in my handbag. I am interested in doing the same with the SL1 when I CAN'T take the 5D anywhere because I'm physically incapable of carrying that camera.
However, I'm waiting for more pancakes to make it truly compact. Is it possible to make a 15, 20, 24mm pancake?
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thruthelense said:
You may be able to throw a SL1 into a purse, but how many EF lenses are small enough so that you could throw it into your purse with a lens attached? In my case, more often than not the lens is bigger and heavier than a FF body (esp. the better EF zooms). Saving a couple of inches and ounces by getting a smaller DSLR seems an odd way to go about weight/bulk reduction unless the only lens you want to use is the 40mm pancake. (I recently supplemented my Canon FF gear with a mirrorless camera - not one of those you mention, but an Olympus OM-D - great ergonomic design, appealing aesthetic design + better lens selection than any similar system.)
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tl;dr:
- I though about SL1, but can't see it being a solution because lenses are large, other than pancake, and pancake is too long on AP-C.
- Nex is the best overall compromise with powerzoom 16-50: budget version is Nex 3N, splurge on yourself is Nex 6
- Fuji X10 is weirdly attractive and fairly versatile camera, if you buy used for not too much money
- Nikon V1 is good beach camera for parents of small kids, if you can still find it on clearance
Long explanation:
I had same dilemma (find small body to accompany my 6D) and I tried, bought, stole, sold or borrowed many, many camera trying to solve it: Canon G15, Sony RX100, Panasonic LX7, Panasonic GF5, Oly PM1, Nikon J1, Nex F3 and 5R, Sony A57. These are all gone, but here are ones that are left:
Sony NEX 3N with powerzoom - great compact solution for $500. If I were not stingy, I could have gotten NEX 6 with the same lens for few hundreds more - grip itself may be worth it (plus EVF, and faster AF), but IQ is the same.
Fuji X10 - very beautiful object, and tactile experience camera. I keep thinking I don't need sensor that small, and I keep being surprised with quality of the pictures and colors. I bought it twice: I returned new one I bought (too expensive), but then I bought used one as it kept bugging me, and has some magic draw for me. It could be leather case
, or maybe I'm ok with throwing $300 on a gorgeous toy? The only compact camera to not disappoint, and yes, I prefer it to RX100, though technically it's not better... Not sure about X20, supposed to be better, but sensor is a bit more traditional (though NOT traditional), and X10 sensor has couple of neat tricks that I love....
Nikon V1 - I just picked up one on ridiculous sale for $299. Not impressed with IQ, but AF is insane, and because of small sensor, even when it misses, deep DOF usually saves it. Good ONLY in good light (otherwise average)!!! But great parents camera for outdoors, silly good 60 frames/sec and great slow motion mode. I'm still debating if I should return it (I'm still inside of 2 weeks return period), but I'm taking my twins to Greece soon, first hot vacation, and I enjoy though of footage and pics that may come out of it, just because of the speed of the camera. Otherwise, inferior to both Nex 3N and Fuji X10 in terms of pictures appeal.
- I though about SL1, but can't see it being a solution because lenses are large, other than pancake, and pancake is too long on AP-C.
- Nex is the best overall compromise with powerzoom 16-50: budget version is Nex 3N, splurge on yourself is Nex 6
- Fuji X10 is weirdly attractive and fairly versatile camera, if you buy used for not too much money
- Nikon V1 is good beach camera for parents of small kids, if you can still find it on clearance
Long explanation:
I had same dilemma (find small body to accompany my 6D) and I tried, bought, stole, sold or borrowed many, many camera trying to solve it: Canon G15, Sony RX100, Panasonic LX7, Panasonic GF5, Oly PM1, Nikon J1, Nex F3 and 5R, Sony A57. These are all gone, but here are ones that are left:
Sony NEX 3N with powerzoom - great compact solution for $500. If I were not stingy, I could have gotten NEX 6 with the same lens for few hundreds more - grip itself may be worth it (plus EVF, and faster AF), but IQ is the same.
Fuji X10 - very beautiful object, and tactile experience camera. I keep thinking I don't need sensor that small, and I keep being surprised with quality of the pictures and colors. I bought it twice: I returned new one I bought (too expensive), but then I bought used one as it kept bugging me, and has some magic draw for me. It could be leather case
, or maybe I'm ok with throwing $300 on a gorgeous toy? The only compact camera to not disappoint, and yes, I prefer it to RX100, though technically it's not better... Not sure about X20, supposed to be better, but sensor is a bit more traditional (though NOT traditional), and X10 sensor has couple of neat tricks that I love....Nikon V1 - I just picked up one on ridiculous sale for $299. Not impressed with IQ, but AF is insane, and because of small sensor, even when it misses, deep DOF usually saves it. Good ONLY in good light (otherwise average)!!! But great parents camera for outdoors, silly good 60 frames/sec and great slow motion mode. I'm still debating if I should return it (I'm still inside of 2 weeks return period), but I'm taking my twins to Greece soon, first hot vacation, and I enjoy though of footage and pics that may come out of it, just because of the speed of the camera. Otherwise, inferior to both Nex 3N and Fuji X10 in terms of pictures appeal.
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bholliman said:
It's a good camera, but Nex 3N is almost as small, and IQ is better. When shooting inside, and there isn't much light, it deeps fast into higher ISO, as lens is slow on the long end. I think I didn't quite like how it renders colors and noise starting at around ISO 800. Attached is one picture at ISO 200(play-1-22) and another ISO 800(kids-1-67), maybe you'll feel the same?
But I guess, it just didn't charm me enough for a VERY high purchase price in Canada ($699+tax = $800). There is a bit of intangibility about it, and it also could be part of the handling, which is very matter of fact point and shoot. I already had 6D and Nex 3N at that point, so couldn't see need to keep RX100.
I was gentler towards Fuji, because I paid a lot less (used $300), and it surprises me occasionally with one of it's trick modes... One pic attached(play-1-7)...
Money no object, I think you will be happy with RX100, as long as you keep expectations at the bay (it's not DSLR quality)
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I have the nex 6 and its pretty good. Iq in the raws gives you a lot to work with. Also very small and evf. I checked the 3n and it was ok but more to give dslr quality in your pocket where you would not need an evf or the phase detect af.
The flash however is way to harse. Definetly can blow out highlights way to easily
The sl1 felt really tiny. Its still thick as a rebel so since there are no pancake primes it makes it a hard decision to sell over the other ilc offerings since they are truly smaller. The sl1 seems like the eos m just canon testing the waters so the revision 2 would be the true release if there is one. Think canon g1x. Where did that go?
The flash however is way to harse. Definetly can blow out highlights way to easily
The sl1 felt really tiny. Its still thick as a rebel so since there are no pancake primes it makes it a hard decision to sell over the other ilc offerings since they are truly smaller. The sl1 seems like the eos m just canon testing the waters so the revision 2 would be the true release if there is one. Think canon g1x. Where did that go?
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Let me add to the post below.... I am a woman and I'm sure most of you are men. I want a camera that I can ALWAYS carry around in my purse and one can't really do that with a 60D. Also, I will be buying the Fuji X-ex1 for $800 with a lense from a family member. So does this change anyones thoughts on Fuji X-EX1 vs Canon SL-1? Oh yea... I have a large purse like most women
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Having used Sony a7 for the last 2 days, I can say the better & smarter choice would be to go with Canon SL1 (100D).
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thruthelense said:
I borrowed a NEX-6 and used it on vacation. The EVF is very good, video is decent, low light capability is good, panorama and built-in HDR good, an the 16-50mm kit lens is extremely compact. It is one of the few APS-C sensor cameras with a zoom lens that can stored in a purse or large pocket.
That said I didn't like it. The UI is extremely menu oriented, with the Setup menu having so many pages the scroll bar is just a tiny sliver. While I got pretty good results, it felt like a gadget not a camera. A number of NEX-6's have a "camera error" flaw which locks up the camera if the electronic front curtain shutter is used. It can only be fixed by returning it for service.
I haven't used a X-E1 but have used a friend's X20, which has a roughly similar control layout. The Fuji felt like a camera and was pleasant to use.
The SL1 is very small for a DSLR and is a good alternative to enthusiast mirrorless cameras. It is much less expensive than the NEX-6 but will definitely not fit in a pocket or purse with the kit lens.
You will probably be very happy with the X-E1. Another pocketable alternative is the Sony RX100 II. Despite any possible UI issues, it is very small, has a 1" sensor, and I've seen many great shots from them. However it does not have a built-in EVF or OVF.
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Lots of good advice here!
My take on the subject: EVF, OVF, button placement, sensor size, DoF, high ISO IQ, all that comes second to AF, which is what matters most. (You already have your 60D for taking photographs with good IQ when tricky subjects and important events appear.)
You'd rather have a noisy photograph that's in focus than the other way around, so consider having the camera in your hands and testing the AF system before you buy it.
Good luck!
My take on the subject: EVF, OVF, button placement, sensor size, DoF, high ISO IQ, all that comes second to AF, which is what matters most. (You already have your 60D for taking photographs with good IQ when tricky subjects and important events appear.)
You'd rather have a noisy photograph that's in focus than the other way around, so consider having the camera in your hands and testing the AF system before you buy it.
Good luck!
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DanielW said:
That's a very good point, and given the high quality of most sensors these days, the trade-off in noise will be minor. The fastest, most accurate (at least on things that aren't moving fast) AF around seems to be the Olympus OM-Ds (though it seems Fuji bodies may be catching up, assuming their lenses are as fast too). But you can buy two or three SL1s with kit lens included for the price of the OM-Ds without a lens, and while the SL1 has nowhere near the number of focus points or coverage of an OM-D, in my fairly limited experience (I've only owned it for a couple of months) its focus is fast and accurate (again, for things that don't move fast - I don't photograph things that do, so I can't comment there). You can't fit it in a pocket, of course, but for my taste the SL1 provides an incomparably more pleasant experience than an M or any other small viewfinder-free camera.
The comment I made in this thread six months ago still stands, though - it's hard to keep a camera system small/compact/lightweight if you have an APS-C or FF based system and need/want to use anything bigger than the smaller primes.
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joema said:
I'm a woman who, on occasion, carries a large purse and I'm not sure that the above statement that the SL1 with kit lens will not fit in a purse is true. Disclaimer: I haven't tried this myself, but having seen an SL1 in person, I think an SL1 with a 55-250 lens may fit into one of my purses, and while it is a large purse, it is not humongous either. Of course, I may not be able to fit much more than the SL1+lens in, but I'd be able to still fit in the essentials--money, credit cards, phone, keys. To help the OP figure this out, the following website may help: http://camerasize.com/compact/ Don't be put off by the title of the site as it has full size and compact cameras. Sometimes you have to type in the name of the camera to search for it as not every camera is located where you think it might be. That said, it's a useful site with which to compare camera sizes.
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