Sony a9 Mirrorless Camera Now Available for Preorder

[3kramd5]

things like lens selections will take Sony years to overcome even if they want and can afford to.

they'd be smart to leverage their stake in Tamron to fill out the line.

 

[Dylan777]

things like lens selections will take Sony years to overcome even if they want and can afford to.

they'd be smart to leverage their stake in Tamron to fill out the line.

16-35 f2.8 GM is right around the corner.

1. 2470GM
2. 70200GM
3. 35f1.4
4. 50f1.4
5. 85f1.4
6. Batis 18, 25, 85
7. 90macro

8. Latest 100-400GM

Those lenses are very much cover majority of event average Joe can handle. I'm sure some large primes 135f1.8, 200f2. 300, 400f2.8 would be nice. But then again, not most of us would be able to purchase and use daily

I'm no expert with flash stuff, I heard Sony really bad in this area. They might need to improve flash department. Their latest GM lenses are just excellent.

 

[privatebydesign]

things like lens selections will take Sony years to overcome even if they want and can afford to.

they'd be smart to leverage their stake in Tamron to fill out the line.

16-35 f2.8 GM is right around the corner.

1. 2470GM
2. 70200GM
3. 35f1.4
4. 50f1.4
5. 85f1.4
6. Batis 18, 25, 85
7. 90macro

8. Latest 100-400GM

Those lenses are very much cover majority of event average Joe can handle. I'm sure some large primes 135f1.8, 200f2. 300, 400f2.8 would be nice. But then again, not most of us would be able to purchase and use daily

I'm no expert with flash stuff, I heard Sony really bad in this area. They might need to improve flash department. Their latest GM lenses are just excellent.

We aren't talking about the 'enthusiast' market, we are talking about people who shoot for a living, who sell their images and use those big lenses daily as a major part of their income. How many actual sports shooters are going to be happy with that choice of lenses? Even high school sports shooters rely on 400 f2.8's, those thousands of people we never really hear from, they are the bulk of the 1DX MkII/D5 market. But even if you talk about the parent wannabe's, they primarily get what the 'pro' uses because that's what the 'pro' uses!

As a minimum Sony need a 400 f2.8 a 600 f4 and a 200-400 f4 to even dream of making serious inroads into the actual pro user 1DX MkII and D5 market. Even then the lens prices are going to kill them, they don't have a secondhand market so the people starting out, other than the very well heeled, don't have that as an option. Almost all the sports shooters I know started with 7D's and 300 f2.8's or sigma 120-300 2.8's and went to secondhand 1DX's or 1D MkIV's and secondhand 400 f2.8's. When they made some money they got new1DX MkII's and or 400 f2.8's with IS.

 

[Dylan777]

things like lens selections will take Sony years to overcome even if they want and can afford to.

they'd be smart to leverage their stake in Tamron to fill out the line.

16-35 f2.8 GM is right around the corner.

1. 2470GM
2. 70200GM
3. 35f1.4
4. 50f1.4
5. 85f1.4
6. Batis 18, 25, 85
7. 90macro

8. Latest 100-400GM

Those lenses are very much cover majority of event average Joe can handle. I'm sure some large primes 135f1.8, 200f2. 300, 400f2.8 would be nice. But then again, not most of us would be able to purchase and use daily

I'm no expert with flash stuff, I heard Sony really bad in this area. They might need to improve flash department. Their latest GM lenses are just excellent.

We aren't talking about the 'enthusiast' market, we are talking about people who shoot for a living, who sell their images and use those big lenses daily as a major part of their income. How many actual sports shooters are going to be happy with that choice of lenses? Even high school sports shooters rely on 400 f2.8's, those thousands of people we never really hear from, they are the bulk of the 1DX MkII/D5 market. But even if you talk about the parent wannabe's, they primarily get what the 'pro' uses because that's what the 'pro' uses!

As a minimum Sony need a 400 f2.8 a 600 f4 and a 200-400 f4 to even dream of making serious inroads into the actual pro user 1DX MkII and D5 market. Even then the lens prices are going to kill them, they don't have a secondhand market so the people starting out, other than the very well heeled, don't have that as an option. Almost all the sports shooters I know started with 7D's and 300 f2.8's or sigma 120-300 2.8's and went to secondhand 1DX's or 1D MkIV's and secondhand 400 f2.8's. When they made some money they got new1DX MkII's and or 400 f2.8's with IS.

Hope to see those lenses soon @ sky high prices Scott. For average Joe, my wish would be 135f1.8 and or 200f2 for Sony.

I have been avoid looking at Viggo's photos lately

 

[Jopa]

Hope to see those lenses soon @ sky high prices Scott. For average Joe, my wish would be 135f1.8 and or 200f2 for Sony.
I have been avoid looking at Viggo's photos lately

The Sigma 135 1.8 is a superb lens, you can mount it via the MC-11 adapter and it's almost "native". The 200/2 works pretty bad via the Metabones mk4 though (and even worse via the MC-11).

 

[Vishal]

I wonder what the A9's RAW file size would be ???

Early reviews mentioned it has a7s dynamic range to it, which I think is a good thing. It's back- illuminated sensor @ 24MP, my take on high ISO is will be decent.

My current a7r II is also back - illuminated sensor. It has 42MP and I'm very comfortable @ ISO6400 in low light.

Sounds good. I was wondering about the file sizes. Around 30-40mb per RAW image¿

 

[3kramd5]

Sounds good. I was wondering about the file sizes. Around 30-40mb per RAW image¿

maybe uncompressed. The A7R2 files with lossy compression are around 41MB with double the pixel count.

We aren't talking about the 'enthusiast' market, we are talking about people who shoot for a living, who sell their images and use those big lenses daily as a major part of their income. How many actual sports shooters are going to be happy with that choice of lenses? Even high school sports shooters rely on 400 f2.8's, those thousands of people we never really hear from, they are the bulk of the 1DX MkII/D5 market. But even if you talk about the parent wannabe's, they primarily get what the 'pro' uses because that's what the 'pro' uses!

As a minimum Sony need a 400 f2.8 a 600 f4 and a 200-400 f4 to even dream of making serious inroads into the actual pro user 1DX MkII and D5 market. Even then the lens prices are going to kill them, they don't have a secondhand market so the people starting out, other than the very well heeled, don't have that as an option. Almost all the sports shooters I know started with 7D's and 300 f2.8's or sigma 120-300 2.8's and went to secondhand 1DX's or 1D MkIV's and secondhand 400 f2.8's. When they made some money they got new1DX MkII's and or 400 f2.8's with IS.

Exactly; those lenses. Since Sony owns ~10% of Tamron, it seems like they could partner up. Sony develops the electronics and AF algorithms + software, Tamron develops the optics and manufactures the product.

 

[infared]

Content with my 5D III & IV....no need. :-X

 

[jeffa4444]

The Sony GM lenses are very good and stand shoulder to shoulder with Canon L glass. However they are expensive more so that Canon which are expensive enough for most wallets.

 

[Dylan777]

The Sony GM lenses are very good and stand shoulder to shoulder with Canon L glass. However they are expensive more so that Canon which are expensive enough for most wallets.

Until they have larger base customers, Sony users will continue to pay higher prices for the lenses.

 

[Lenscracker]

The A9 seems to have obsoleted everything in the Canon DSLR lineup. I think Canon better get busy or they could lose everything to this technology. BTW, I believe you CAN use Canon lenses on Sony cameras. I see lots of converters for that purpose.

 

[jmoya]

you have no idea how angry I am with canon and their slow reactions to respond to other manufacturers in their tech dept. I've been a canon user since the very first rebel digital dslr. When will they get with the times?
I'm ready to jump ship if their canon 6d II is a disappointment like their 5d mark VI is.

 

[privatebydesign]

you have no idea how angry I am with canon and their slow reactions to respond to other manufacturers in their tech dept. I've been a canon user since the very first rebel digital dslr. When will they get with the times?
I'm ready to jump ship if their canon 6d II is a disappointment like their 5d mark VI is.

So jump, nobody goves a damn. Besides, get what is right for you, you owe that to yourself and no corporation owes you anything.

Canon do what they do at the pace they do it and that results in the business they want, others go about it a different way and if that way suits you better you'd be a fool not to embrace it.

As for the 5D MkIV, I'd guess you don't own one, I don't know a single owner that is disappointed in its actual performance.

 

[3kramd5]

The A9 seems to have obsoleted everything in the Canon DSLR lineup. I think Canon better get busy or they could lose everything to this technology. BTW, I believe you CAN use Canon lenses on Sony cameras. I see lots of converters for that purpose.

For the time being, you lose at least half the framerate by adapting. If you put on a sony a-mount lens with their native adapter, you can still use the electronic shutter, but it's at 10FPS. If you put on an off-brand lens (e.g. Canon), you lose electronic shutter and are limited to 5FPS.

 

[jmoya]

The 5d VI is only minimally better than the 5d3. No need to upgrade for little difference and the 4k is useless as the file sizes are just unmanageable.

 

[scrup]

Canon so quiet, the rumors site has to publish Sony stuff. The A9 has nice tech on paper, but its just a niche product in a nicher category.
Probably will get more buyers than the a99ii due to compatibility of EF lens via adapter.

 

[scrup]

The A9 seems to have obsoleted everything in the Canon DSLR lineup. I think Canon better get busy or they could lose everything to this technology. BTW, I believe you CAN use Canon lenses on Sony cameras. I see lots of converters for that purpose.

For the time being, you lose at least half the framerate by adapting. If you put on a sony a-mount lens with their native adapter, you can still use the electronic shutter, but it's at 10FPS. If you put on an off-brand lens (e.g. Canon), you lose electronic shutter and are limited to 5FPS.

When sales don't take off, watch for the firmware update that unlocks the adapted lens features.

 

[3kramd5]

The A9 seems to have obsoleted everything in the Canon DSLR lineup. I think Canon better get busy or they could lose everything to this technology. BTW, I believe you CAN use Canon lenses on Sony cameras. I see lots of converters for that purpose.

For the time being, you lose at least half the framerate by adapting. If you put on a sony a-mount lens with their native adapter, you can still use the electronic shutter, but it's at 10FPS. If you put on an off-brand lens (e.g. Canon), you lose electronic shutter and are limited to 5FPS.

When sales don't take off, watch for the firmware update that unlocks the adapted lens features.

Perhaps, unless it's due to wonky or just plain unreliable adapted autofocus, and sony not wanting to see blog posts about their uberMILC missing 20 frames per second.

 

[PeterP]

I may be daft but why are Sony toys being shilled in a Canon forum.
Come here for Canon occasionally right rumours, zero interest in other brands which have their own dedicated forums.

 

[brad-man]

I may be daft but why are Sony toys being shilled in a Canon forum.
Come here for Canon occasionally right rumours, zero interest in other brands which have their own dedicated forums.

Then why are you reading this thread?

But seriously Pete, there are a great many folks here who eagerly await a FF MILC from Canon, and consequently suck up all the newest info on competent brands selling worthwhile mirrorless devices until Canon is ready to enter the fray. And you are correct. You may be daft...