I film a lot of protest and political content, the ability to do foto and video is indespensible as a freelancer. I sell footage and go into places most don't so to have both is a must. Here in Minneapolis I was out shooting and my 16-35 and 1dc were hit by rubber bullets, amazing the lens was ok and so was the body. They were not point blank but there was a blunt object that hit them. There is no denying that there is a place and time for all sorts of cameras but the low light of this a7 camera will allow for cleaner and more usable content. While out filming protests I witnessed people tying to steal news crews big cameras and people tried taking mine aswell but a slr style body is something tou can actually hold and run with if you need to. Will a sony take a betting like a 1d? probably not but to have both is a great thing. on a side not all these great tools coming out we never could have dreamed of, there is often so much anger and shit talk from our tribalism that we dont actually look and the genius ehind the tech. if you shoot sony thats great, if you shoot canon, thats great too. we should stop always fighting and just start capturing and using and adapting the tools that best suit us. and here is a link of what i shoot.
I should not have said ideal hybrid. 12MP is not enough for stills to which I agree wholeheartedly, but Canon didn't really have to throw 8K and everything else in the R5. It could have settled for less than 45MP and balanced the video specs a bit more to achieve a bit more runtime while still getting enough stills resolution.
One Critical question about Sony a7s III is why there is a switch to use regarding overheating? If you turn on switch the a7s III will shut down after 20min in 4k, while if you turn it off it will run until the battery dies. But in the latter case the heat will get up in a very highly dangerous numbers! So the MAIN question here regarding reliability is if the camera will survive after numerous recordings for a long time while the switch is off. If its going to destroy the camera after a while, then what's the point here? just to surpass recording times of R5 or any other camera but at the same time to put the camera itself in danger? or am I missing something else here?
This is a good point. We do not know about the long term reliability of the A7SIII. If they start bricking after the warranty is up, that's a big oof.
Just watched Jared's comparison between the video on the R5 and this Sony. The Sony did not overheat, period. However, when comparing the two video results side by side, the Canon was noticeably sharper right out of the camera, and he noted this as well. You can see for yourself at the 19:50 mark in the video
I posted similar point elsewhere. There was a video review where the A7s3 overheated and shut down sooner than R5 (outdoors, but not indoors) and the guy was measuring the body's temps. The Sony got higher. Making me think the Sony will over time will go into permanent failure and require replacement/repair.
So maybe sony's new heat transfer management is...just let it get hotter before shutting down?
OK, found the video:
Only thing is, Dan Watson was shooting in the HQ mode. The R5 has a new sensor with extremely fast readout. Sorry to tell you, it’s legitimately faster than the Sony... so far less jello effect. Near as I can tell, the only real issue with the R5 is overheat. But we know now that issue also exists for the Sony. And that’s an interesting point. Sony handed out the A7S3’s like candy on Halloween. They apparently gave the YouTube influences free trips all over the place so that they would give good reviews. Only Dan is speaking up about the overheating on the Sony... and Sony is totally silent on the issue... just like the last time their cameras were overheating. That should be pretty telling.Rolling shutter is misleading. I can show you great rolling shutter on a smaller sensor like a ZV1/RX100 or a larger FF sensor that is line skipped. I can even show you great rolling shutter by dropping the bit depth as well sacrificing DR. If you look at sensor spec sheets, some of them will detail this. The 1DX3 can ramp up rolling shutter performance in 4K60, but drop down to 30ms in 24/30p.
Honestly, digital cameras now have gotten so spec-laden that you have to study things that have nothing to do with photography or cinematography just to get a handle on how it all works. Nobody even tries to understand or talk about sensor equivalence or DoF anymore because we are being thrown with a million more things to worry about like cooling and readouts. Even a stills shooter has to understand subsampling now because HEIF is based on HEVC..
I pre-ordered one. It suits my style of hybrid shooting quite well. I always felt the ideal hybrid MILC was one with a balanced set of specs. Don't need RAW, don't want high-bitrates, don't need 8K. When I need those specs, I have my cine camera along with the budget and crew to support it. Here is what I like about shooting video on Sony, which continues with the S3.
- Single interface for audio. No need for dangling 3.5mm cables
- Dual card recording for redundancy and no need for new media immediately. My V90 UHS-II cards continue to work and I only need to carry 1 type of media.
- Base ISO and Max ISO. Many event halls, etc. have poor lighting which you cannot always control
- No overheating for obvious reasons
- White balance sensor to prevent rapid shifts when subjects fill the frame
- Large EVF for framing outdoors when a sunhood over the lcd doesn't always work.
- Selectable S&Q highspeed in base frame rate or actual frame rate to include audio which is sometimes imperative when editing a cinematic highlight and a long edit w/ sound. It's also easier in post to quickly identify all of your high speed clips and group them separately.
- Real-time AF (I never upgraded to the RIV, but I have a A6600 and ZV1 which are similar)
- Great battery life. I hated the FW50 batteries, but a bit more than 2 FZ100 batteries gets me through a very long day. I don't think the LP-E6NH last as long, but the Canon's draw more power as the Wh are almost identical.
In other areas, some reviews show ~13 stops on a test which is better than the R5 at ~11. The rolling shutter seems to be a bit better on the R5, but it wasn't apparent which modes were compared. Line skipped will probably readout faster than the 1:1 on the Sony but at a big cost of IQ. But at the end of the day, the Sony doesn't have 45MP and isn't great for stills. I would need two bodies to cover video (S3) and stills (RIV).
It's all a mess of compromises...
Canon don't need to do anything, the R5 and the sleeper R6 are going to be hits with primarily photographers, Sony look like they have done a very accomplished incremental upgrade in the α7S III, but it is overwhelmingly a video camera and less a hybrid.
I don't see any competition at all if you know what market you are in the choice is pretty clear. Unfortunately for Canon most YouTube personalities and social media influencers are in the Sony video centric market, they shoot video and don't care about stills resolution over 1080px instagram posts, but I do not believe they represent the market in general. I have zero need for an α7S III, I will be getting an R5.
Indeed even comparing the α7S III and R5 is intrinsically biased (one way or the other) as their feature sets are as diametrically opposed as possible. Compare the R5 to the α7R IV, compare the R6 to the α7 III, truthfully Canon haven't pitched a video centric hybrid in the α7S III market.
Only thing is, Dan Watson was shooting in the HQ mode. The R5 has a new sensor with extremely fast readout. Sorry to tell you, it’s legitimately faster than the Sony... so far less jello effect. Near as I can tell, the only real issue with the R5 is overheat. But we know now that issue also exists for the Sony. And that’s an interesting point. Sony handed out the A7S3’s like candy on Halloween. They apparently gave the YouTube influences free trips all over the place so that they would give good reviews. Only Dan is speaking up about the overheating on the Sony... and Sony is totally silent on the issue... just like the last time their cameras were overheating. That should be pretty telling.
In any case I’m getting both. If I find I’m gravitating towards one all the time and the other is a paperweight, I’ll just sell it. No big deal really.
Dan Watson was the only one who said the R5 had less rolling shutter. That is complete rubbish. The videos weren't even synced correctly because his set up was not done correctly. When whip panning the cameras were looking at slight different angles. He should have stacked the cameras on top of one another with slight tilts. Every other test shows the Canon R5 has more rolling shutter. Though the performance is still great for a 45mp sensor. I think the Canon R series are great photo cameras. Video cameras, not really. I think the overheating thing is a big issue and makes the camera unusable on long form shoots. But for quick grabs, its great! Also Dan has his own biases, I wouldn't really look at his testing as final word. You should always do your own tests. Nonetheless in three years the cameras will be old machines XD
How did sony managed to pull off a system where the camera has an in-build cooling system AND weather sealing where the R5/R6 failed?
Gerald Undone had a really good point about the stills on this camera. If you need a poster frame, or a BTS shot, or just shooting for IG this camera is great. A few extra niche uses as well, e.g. astro. 12 MP is enough if you're just asked to get a few group shots, an environmental portrait, etc. Just like the R5 is great if you're being asked to shoot a quick BTS interview video or a cinemagraph for IG, etc.
So, this was a careful verification re-test in the Florida sun at 4K 60FPS. The A7s3 can have the overheat temp warning set to normal or high. On high it will run longer but put the camera at more risk. He put it on "high temp warning" to see how long it would last.This thing keeps overheating even when the temp threshold is set to high. Where are all the R5 overheating trolls?