Sony a9 Mirrorless Camera Now Available for Preorder

[dash2k8]

The 5d VI is only minimally better than the 5d3. No need to upgrade for little difference and the 4k is useless as the file sizes are just unmanageable.

There's just so many things wrong with this comment. Minimally better? I know many wedding photographers who upgraded from their 5D3 because it has much better focus in low light, much better noise control, etc etc etc. If you've never owned one or used one extensively, you have no right to comment on it.

"I don't need a Ferrari, it just goes faster than my Camry, big deal." <-- does that sound right to you?

 

[ahsanford]

I may be daft but why are Sony toys being shilled in a Canon forum.
Come here for Canon occasionally right rumours, zero interest in other brands which have their own dedicated forums.

Because if you own $25k+ of EF glass, buying another new body to use with that glass isn't that uncommon -- and Sony might be the next body you buy.

- A

 

[leGreve]

I used to own quite a lot of Canon gear... so many of you burst out "oh why is there sony announcements here!!11?"

seriously, it's almost as bad reading dogmatised canon fanbois as the battle that once was between pc owners and Apple owners.

I can totally understand why so many of you safeguard canons interests, because you can't contain how hard it would be to sell off all your gear and rebrand because Canon dropped the ball.

But it all comes down to who is offering most for the money, and Canon simply isn't doing that. Canon sucks because idiotic japanese business men try to cover all bases and become affraid of canabalizing their own cameras.
Why the hell you make so many version in the first place?!
Sony is no where near offering as many models to the same segment as Canon is, which means they can offer products that provide much more of what todays modern shooter is requiring. Who gives a fudge about wedding photographers?
I wouldn't hire one if I ever got married... just ask guests to go crazy with their smart phones and you'll have all the photos you need afterwards... for free.

Canon dslr aren't very useful for commercial work, they don't offer what is needed for the majority of shoots.
I either go Epic or FS for 98% of my work. That is having used Canons for 75% of my work up until recently.
They just don't own the game anymore.... but consumers are unable to see that.

Once we are done talking Sony, then we can bring up Panasonic who are equally better than Canon.

Seriously, how can you not see that?

Sure... use Canon for weddings and press, for anything else, I'd look at anything before Canon.

 

[Uneternal]

I hope this, as well as the upcoming A7 Mark III will be a wake-up call for Canon.
Since 2013 (release of the A7) they did nothing but rest on their laurels, providing absolutely zero competition in the mirrorless full-frame market, which got Sony on place 2 in the overall full frame camera market.

If there's nothing coming out this year, while Sony probably releases 3 more full-frame models, I will have a hard time staying with Canon.

 

[Ozarker]

Mr. Canonbrumors is criticized for his advertisement of the body. He has to earn money, so why should he not be allowed to place this link? Maybe there is some reason he does it, too. Maybe he shows some Canon managers: "look at this competitor and implement some of these goodies into your next successor"

Agree that the owner of this website can post whatever he or she wants to post.

However, Canon will likely buy several of these camera's to compare and contrast with Canon products. Canon doesn't need this website to find out what competitors are doing. Canon is already on the job.

This website posts non-Canon items all the time. Nothing new.

 

[Ozarker]

The A9 seems to have obsoleted everything in the Canon DSLR lineup. I think Canon better get busy or they could lose everything to this technology. BTW, I believe you CAN use Canon lenses on Sony cameras. I see lots of converters for that purpose.

Obsoleted: You may not know what obsolete means.

The fact that Sony users turn to Canon lenses and that there is such a market for adapters probably bodes well for Canon and means Sony lenses have been "obsoleted". Those adapters aren't inexpensive either. If I were a Sony user that ran Canon lenses, I would "obsoleted" my Sony body and switch to Canon.

Yes, Canon is doomed. The A9 is going to kill the beast. :

"Sony only promises 10 frame per second shooting when adapting its own A-mount lenses, and we're told that both subject tracking (Lock-on AF) and Eye-AF will be unavailable when using non-native mount lenses (this has always been the case even with previous a7 bodies)."
https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/1937765842/sony-a9-why-being-better-might-not-be-enough

I wish the guys on this board (not you) who always say they have had it with Canon and are going to switch to Sony, would just do it.

 

[Ozarker]

you have no idea how angry I am with canon and their slow reactions to respond to other manufacturers in their tech dept. I've been a canon user since the very first rebel digital dslr. When will they get with the times?
I'm ready to jump ship if their canon 6d II is a disappointment like their 5d mark VI is.

JUMP! :

Guys like you are happy masochists. You scream it hurts, but it hurts so good.

 

[Ozarker]

The 5d VI is only minimally better than the 5d3. No need to upgrade for little difference and the 4k is useless as the file sizes are just unmanageable.

There's just so many things wrong with this comment. Minimally better? I know many wedding photographers who upgraded from their 5D3 because it has much better focus in low light, much better noise control, etc etc etc. If you've never owned one or used one extensively, you have no right to comment on it.

"I don't need a Ferrari, it just goes faster than my Camry, big deal." <-- does that sound right to you?

He doesn't own the 5D Mark III or the Mark IV, but he knows all about them. He's waiting for a 6D II.

 

[glness]

Lots of Canon shooters tend to use Sony’s full frame mirrorless cameras as part of their kit and that will probably continue with the a9

This seems like a really strange comment on Canon Rumors. I can only assume it is here purely for economic gain. I know "lots" of Canon photographers and I know only one that has a Sony full frame mirrorless camera in "their kit." Is this based on some survey or other factual information you have, because I think your comment is patently false as it is stated.

 

[jmoya]

I totally agree with you. I'm a canon user and have as one said in a earlier post I have "25k" worth of EF glass. But canon bodies performance have been showing their age. They need to get with the 4k and 120fps in recording video capabilities and low light recovery capabilities. Canon wants to stay competitive right?

 

[jmoya]

Really? That's not a fair comparison. It's not even in the same category. You obviously don't know how to make a fair distinction. You need to compare apples to apple and oranges to oranges. You put a family sedan up against a super car. The 5d3 is not the family sedan and the 5d4 is not a Ferrari. It's basically the new model of camry. The same with only minimal upgrades. My point is...So many other companies are killing canon with the low light, 4k, shutter fps, flip screens, smaller bodies, more focus points, more pixles... that's a lot of betters don't you think.

 

[ahsanford]

Lots of Canon shooters tend to use Sony’s full frame mirrorless cameras as part of their kit and that will probably continue with the a9

This seems like a really strange comment on Canon Rumors. I can only assume it is here purely for economic gain. I know "lots" of Canon photographers and I know only one that has a Sony full frame mirrorless camera in "their kit." Is this based on some survey or other factual information you have, because I think your comment is patently false as it is stated.

It's no more 'patently false' than someone who denies that it is happening based on the experience of only personally knowing one person who uses Sony like this. :

But let's unpack the CR admin's outrageous claim:

[list type=decimal]
[*]Sony rigs accept Canon lenses due to flange distance and a number of available adaptors that allow AF use. These metabones adaptors are hardly fringe / illicit uses of their cameras -- they won't brick your hardware.


[*]Photographers often own/carry more than one body -- sometimes for specialized applications, sometimes to have a second lens at the ready, and sometimes to address impromptu video needs.


[*]Sony has some nice designs/features (even with EF lenses) that Canon does not: some wonderful sensors, a small FF mirrorless design, IBIS, the EVF allows fairly convenient manual focus lens use, etc.


[*]Photographers are clever, resourceful souls who love to tinker to suit their needs.


[*]A number of videographers who may have come up through the 5D2 revolution rave about the A7S II, and their EF glass will work on that rig.
[/list]

So I happen to agree with the admin. It stands to reason that some percentage of this forum's users would avail themselves of a Sony body for myriad reasons. They still are 'Canon users' in the broad/primary sense, but the Sony scratches some itches the 1D, 5D, 6D, 7D line cannot. "Lots" vs. "some percentage" can be argued, but all circumstantial evidence would imply that primarily Canon shooting photographers are absolutely dabbling with the A7/A9 platform to some extent.

- A

 

[PeterP]

I did try a Sony, worst waste of money I made in a while.
Apart from horrendous battery life I disliked the evf and hated the colours it produced.
Now just being used as a paperweight.

I may be daft but why are Sony toys being shilled in a Canon forum.
Come here for Canon occasionally right rumours, zero interest in other brands which have their own dedicated forums.

Because if you own $25k+ of EF glass, buying another new body to use with that glass isn't that uncommon -- and Sony might be the next body you buy.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

I did try a Sony, worst waste of money I made in a while.
Apart from horrendous battery life I disliked the evf and hated the colours it produced.
Now just being used as a paperweight.

You may be mistaking "Canon shooters tend to use Sony’s full frame mirrorless cameras as part of their kit" as a ringing endorsement that everything about the Sony is best in class. It clearly is not.

But some folks don't mind fighting through the controls, battery life, colors, etc. as it...

• ...buys them a couple stops of DR over their 5D3 for landscapes.
• ...allows them to shoot (say) a Nikkor 14-24 f/2.8 or 105mm f/1.4 without also having to buy a Nikon body.
• ...allows them to shoot stabilized stills/video with vintage old lenses from their youth.
• ...allows them to shoot manual focus lenses that would otherwise be hard to use on their Canon body with a non-interchangeable focusing screen.

Your priorities aren't everyone else's. Some folks don't see the Sony as better so much providing a specific functionality that Canon does not provide today.

- A

 

[Dylan777]

Looks like he/she has located the Sony missing truck ... ;D

 

[Jopa]

Looks like he/she has located the Sony missing truck ... ;D

Funny I'm wondering if they can really push those 2 bodies for $5.5k. If yes, then maybe Sony underestimated the new camera value?

 

[Cthulhu]

I hope this, as well as the upcoming A7 Mark III will be a wake-up call for Canon.
Since 2013 (release of the A7) they did nothing but rest on their laurels, providing absolutely zero competition in the mirrorless full-frame market, which got Sony on place 2 in the overall full frame camera market.

If there's nothing coming out this year, while Sony probably releases 3 more full-frame models, I will have a hard time staying with Canon.

Interesting, so you see the fact that people are buying more Sony full frame cameras than Nikon as Canon's fault?

 

[Orangutan]

I hope this, as well as the upcoming A7 Mark III will be a wake-up call for Canon.

Wake up from year after year of nightmarishly consistent profits? I don't think so.

I hope Sony gives Canon some serious competition, but so far they've disappointed.

 

[ricky_005]

The main problem I have with Sony bodies is, you have to have tiny hands like Donald Trump.

Sony bodies need to be larger for us normal Americans.

 

[deleteme]

I think what we are seeing vis a vis Canon vs. Sony is a huge effort by a newcomer to steal market share from an established player.

In any mature market, the newcomer has the advantage that every sale comes out of the hide of the established players. IOW every A6xxx or A7x means one less sale of a comparable camera for Nikon or Canon.
What Sony's challenge becomes is presenting a camera that seems dramatically better to entice switchers to absorb the costs of switching or to be a credible alternative to the new photographer getting their first serious camera.
Canon and Nikon's job is to not screw it up.

New photographers are a cautious bunch and many will opt for the Canikon camp for safety's sake. To paraphrase the old saw "Nobody ever got fired for choosing a Canon". Conversely, Sony does have an advantage of a good CE reputation which, these days, means something in the camera world.

IMO the Sony is a very good effort at a serious pro machine. I am sure they have learned enormous lessons since the first A7. This doesn't leave the Canikon world for dead though.
They DO have to show that they are also capable of introducing breathtaking advances to maintain the confidence of their base.
I currently use 5Dmk3s. They do superb work for me in my business. I do covet the mkIV but the current bodies are doing the job so the business argument is not there.
What WOULD be useful for me in some of my event and PJ work would be an M5 type camera with a blend of Sony sensors and EVF and Canon polish.
Oh yeah, a few compact zooms of excellent quality in the M mount.