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Sony Alpha a6000

Re: Sonay Alpha a6000

The performance of the A6000 looks awesome, and the price point is very good...Sony is bringing it's A game! This looks like a great little travel camera for work trips, and I think I'll be purchasing one.

Help me to understand why Canon/Nikon full frame cameras don't offer the same wide area coverage of focus points as the Sony A6000???
 
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Re: Sonay Alpha a6000

Gino said:
The performance of the A6000 looks awesome, and the price point is very good...Sony is bringing it's A game! This looks like a great little travel camera for work trips, and I think I'll be purchasing one.

Help me to understand why Canon/Nikon full frame cameras don't offer the same wide area coverage of focus points as the Sony A6000???

Maybe I'm wrong, but perhaps this is a mirrorless vs (d)slr thing? Every mirrorless camera I've used has a wide area of coverage, whether FF (Sony), APS-C (Fuji) or Micro 4/3 (Olympus, Panasonic), while every dslr I've used, FF or APS-C, has the focus points lumped in the middle, regardless of how many of them there are (there's better coverage with APS-C, but that seems to merely reflect the crop factor - the FF Nikon D600 has the same focus system, more or less, as the APS-C D7000, but because the sensor is so much smaller on the D7000 the focus points cover more of the sensor). This is one reason why I prefer mirrorless.
 
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wickidwombat said:
Just got an a 6000 for my parents
And I'm sorry to say the AF is not much different to that of the EOS M
Anyone else notice it's not living up to the hype?
Looks like you may have gotten a defective camera, coz everyone I know who got the a6000 and every review on the internet say that the AF is absolutely fast and accurate.
 
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Re: Sonay Alpha a6000

Gino said:
Help me to understand why Canon/Nikon full frame cameras don't offer the same wide area coverage of focus points as the Sony A6000???

Because of the mirror - the submirror directing the rays onto the AF sensor has to fit into the body/underneath the main mirror, so its size and position are limited. Which means that peripheral points wouldn't see a thing.
Solutions:
A) a much larger mirror box to accommodate a full sized mirror - plus completely new lenses with a much larger flange distance. Not good. Not at all.
B) throw the mirrors out completely and have a clean optical path between lens and sensor. Have you noticed how far out the 70Ds dual pixels can do PDAF? Works with existing lenses and, if done consequently, reduces costs for both parts and assembly/adjustment.
 
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Got it late yesterday so it was all low light and the difference was negligible
I'll try it again today in good light
It's got the 16-70 f4 ziess

All up seems like a nice package

But AF does not even come close to the 5D3
And the evf is pretty sucky in low light
 
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wickidwombat said:
Got it late yesterday so it was all low light and the difference was negligible
I'll try it again today in good light
It's got the 16-70 f4 ziess

All up seems like a nice package

But AF does not even come close to the 5D3
And the evf is pretty sucky in low light

I presume you are talking about one-shot AF mode speed and accuracy, not the burst mode? A6000 is supposed to have 11 fps, which surely has at least faster burst rate ( and more accurate?) than EOS-M's burst rate.

And yeah, EVF's really look bad in low light, even the "better" EVF in A7/R..
 
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used it again in bright sunny light again and AF is indeed fast and accurate, probably at least as good as low end DSLRs
still i think the 5D3s and 1Ds i have used all are still an order of magnitude better than this but it is good. didnt try burst as FPS is pretty low on the my priority list as i just don't shoot like that even if i'm using a 1D with 10FPS

menu system sucks balls

and its got this annoying auto crop feature which i cant work out how to dissable (need to download an english manual)

overall though for the money with the ziess lens its a brilliant light package

its quite a bit bigger than the EOS-M so for me since i use the EOS M as a second camera to the 5Dmk3 i think i still prefer the M as it takes almost no extra room where as the a6000 takes a bit more room
but for my dad its a great camera
 
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wickidwombat said:
does anyone know if lightroom has been updated to deal with these raws yet?

Not yet.

The Camera Raw & DNG Convertor 8.4 Release Candidate claims support.
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw8-4-cc.html

This was released on 21st Feb, yet there is still no sign of an LR update - and no word from Adobe if there will even be a 5.4 version for LR, or if they will jump straight to 6.

Phil.

Edit: LR 5.4 just released :)
Release notes - http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2014/04/1277.html
Download - http://www.adobe.com/downloads/updates.html

Phil.
 
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So now that I have LR i can look at some files properly from the a6000

my dad shot the first bunch jpg only and at higher iso the jpg rendering is abominable, i mean utterly useless better off using an iphone 5s.... and no thats not a joke. I would completely forget about using jpg out of this camera I would rather an iphone... unless all the jpgs are low iso and properly exposed as there is next to no shadow recovery ability on jpg files

RAW low iso shadow recovery is nothing short of amazing. ZERO pattern noise but obviously alot of noise gets pulled in so IRL you cant pull up too much unless you plan on painting in ALOT of NR. but still much better than canon if you like to under expose by 4 stops...

Colour... well... I hate it. After using canon cameras for a few years since switching from nikon I can't stand the OOC colour rendering and this is using the zeiss 16-70 f4 lens! everything seems to be very green heavy, I have tried some manipulation in LR but cant get it to get close to the colours i get from the EOS M or 5Dmk3. perhaps with alot more work colour could be fixed maybe PBD could give me some tips here because I'm not that good :D .

resolution at low isos looks great pretty much on par with the 5Dmk3 for details. high isos = bleh (really bad)
low iso resolution vs EOS-M the a6000 wins but with the 11-22 the EOS-M is really not far off at higher isos the EOS-M is better if you get the exposure right. underexpose too much and its lost in fixed pattern noise.

all up after using both this and the EOS-M with 11-22 I prefer the EOS-M as a complete package (I know this is heresy and i will most likely burn in internet hell for saying it :P ) but the EOS-M is alot smaller, I like UWA lenses and the 11-22 is one of the most amazing lens purchases i have made in recent years.

I feel while the a6000 leaves the EOS-M AF for dead in good light (no much difference in bad light) the image quality of the EOS-M is overall better, better colours better detail across a wider range of iso's.

for my dad the a6000 is a pretty good camera though, he wasn't invested in anything, got a nice zeiss 16-70 f4 zoom for it and it's significantly smaller and lighter than a dslr which he definately did not want, My mum has a 600D and 15-85 which i got her. (I feel this combo is still better than the a6000 too as an overall package FPS is not really a factor for them)

All up my summary of the a6000 is that it does not live up to the internet hype. it doesn't come close unless you are looking at a few fairly unrelated metrics ie low iso shadow noise, AF spread, FPS. Higher iso performance and IQ is lacking
It is probably better at capturing action than the 600D and definately better than the EOS-M. the wide AF spread is good but not any different to the EOS-M which also has a wide AF point spread. For me the biggest problems are the rapid mid to high iso IQ loss and the crap colour rendering out of camera vs canon.

I haven't attached any images but will dig some out and post them.
 
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wickidwombat said:
So now that I have LR i can look at some files properly from the a6000

my dad shot the first bunch jpg only and at higher iso the jpg rendering is abominable, i mean utterly useless better off using an iphone 5s.... and no thats not a joke. I would completely forget about using jpg out of this camera I would rather an iphone... unless all the jpgs are low iso and properly exposed as there is next to no shadow recovery ability on jpg files

RAW low iso shadow recovery is nothing short of amazing. ZERO pattern noise but obviously alot of noise gets pulled in so IRL you cant pull up too much unless you plan on painting in ALOT of NR. but still much better than canon if you like to under expose by 4 stops...

Colour... well... I hate it. After using canon cameras for a few years since switching from nikon I can't stand the OOC colour rendering and this is using the zeiss 16-70 f4 lens! everything seems to be very green heavy, I have tried some manipulation in LR but cant get it to get close to the colours i get from the EOS M or 5Dmk3. perhaps with alot more work colour could be fixed maybe PBD could give me some tips here because I'm not that good :D .

resolution at low isos looks great pretty much on par with the 5Dmk3 for details. high isos = bleh (really bad)
low iso resolution vs EOS-M the a6000 wins but with the 11-22 the EOS-M is really not far off at higher isos the EOS-M is better if you get the exposure right. underexpose too much and its lost in fixed pattern noise.

all up after using both this and the EOS-M with 11-22 I prefer the EOS-M as a complete package (I know this is heresy and i will most likely burn in internet hell for saying it :P ) but the EOS-M is alot smaller, I like UWA lenses and the 11-22 is one of the most amazing lens purchases i have made in recent years.

I feel while the a6000 leaves the EOS-M AF for dead in good light (no much difference in bad light) the image quality of the EOS-M is overall better, better colours better detail across a wider range of iso's.

for my dad the a6000 is a pretty good camera though, he wasn't invested in anything, got a nice zeiss 16-70 f4 zoom for it and it's significantly smaller and lighter than a dslr which he definately did not want, My mum has a 600D and 15-85 which i got her. (I feel this combo is still better than the a6000 too as an overall package FPS is not really a factor for them)

All up my summary of the a6000 is that it does not live up to the internet hype. it doesn't come close unless you are looking at a few fairly unrelated metrics ie low iso shadow noise, AF spread, FPS. Higher iso performance and IQ is lacking
It is probably better at capturing action than the 600D and definately better than the EOS-M. the wide AF spread is good but not any different to the EOS-M which also has a wide AF point spread. For me the biggest problems are the rapid mid to high iso IQ loss and the crap colour rendering out of camera vs canon.

I haven't attached any images but will dig some out and post them.

Thanks for the info, although I'm sure this will ruffle a few feathers :)

Can you share a few low and high ISO RAW files?

Phil.
 
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wickidwombat said:
all up after using both this and the EOS-M with 11-22 I prefer the EOS-M as a complete package (I know this is heresy and i will most likely burn in internet hell for saying it :P )
;D ;D ;D ... I'm pretty sure that someone out there is making sure to keep the hell fire ready for you ;D

wickidwombat said:
All up my summary of the a6000 is that it does not live up to the internet hype. it doesn't come close unless you are looking at a few fairly unrelated metrics ie low iso shadow noise, AF spread, FPS. Higher iso performance and IQ is lacking
It is probably better at capturing action than the 600D and definately better than the EOS-M. the wide AF spread is good but not any different to the EOS-M which also has a wide AF point spread. For me the biggest problems are the rapid mid to high iso IQ loss and the crap colour rendering out of camera vs canon.
I was very keen on getting this camera, but your summary of the camera has me a little concerned ... when you get some time, could you post some images?

Thanks
 
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