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I'm not sure if you are mixing up camera names as this comment make no sense.
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Sony Announces the Sony A7 V
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I'm not sure if you are mixing up camera names as this comment make no sense.
Okay! Perhaps a day later, but i see we haven't gone to flames yet.
time to change that.
Sony A7 V vs R100 - can the Sony stack up?
time to change that.
Sony A7 V vs R100 - can the Sony stack up?
How Does the Sony A7 V Stack Up to the R6 Mark III - Canon Rumors
The Canon R6 Mark III vs Sony A7 V Comparison. How do these two hybrid cameras stack up to each other now that both are released?
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It's pretty clear that Canon wanted to slightly eclipse the Sony A7V with every spec. However, I can't see anyone switching systems over such miniscule differences or slight betterment. I'm pretty sure the upcoming A7V was the only reason canon decided to bump the R6x series to 33mp from a previously stated "24mp is going to be our standard for a LONG time" to suddenly....here' s a new 33mp sensor....it's really nice.
It makes me wonder about a potential R3II....seeing what Canon have done with their feature dance with Sony, it really depends on what Sony have cooking in their 2nd tier Pro model. I guess it's a camera that sits between the Sony A1x and A9x range. maybe that's why there's no R3ii yet? There's nothing for it to compete against in the Sony catalogue?
Being an engineer or manager in Sony must be a sweet positon to have at the moment....all those bungs and bribes from Canon must be very useful this time of year! How esle would Canon have been able to upstage the Sony A7V? It also send a clear message that Canon aren't thinking about evolving their own prodct line for their existing customers, they are literally going toe to toe with what ever Sony are doing.
It makes me wonder about a potential R3II....seeing what Canon have done with their feature dance with Sony, it really depends on what Sony have cooking in their 2nd tier Pro model. I guess it's a camera that sits between the Sony A1x and A9x range. maybe that's why there's no R3ii yet? There's nothing for it to compete against in the Sony catalogue?
Being an engineer or manager in Sony must be a sweet positon to have at the moment....all those bungs and bribes from Canon must be very useful this time of year! How esle would Canon have been able to upstage the Sony A7V? It also send a clear message that Canon aren't thinking about evolving their own prodct line for their existing customers, they are literally going toe to toe with what ever Sony are doing.
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I needed hand surgery, see how horrible Sonys were to me!
PS: 20 years ago, my Sony TV set imploded, after 2 years of limited use. No warranty, of course. "It's a Sony!"
In full earnest now: What you just wrote about Sony's ergonomics is absolutely true, these cameras are only usable with baby-sized hands.
Or if you are a confirmed masochist...
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You’re right about the placement of the top buttons but canon has the same issue with the rear ones. I often confuse the Q and INFO button or MENU and RATE. These are better on the Sony.
Also I love the directional arrows and the ability to program any function on them. I don’t know why Canon doesn’t do that any more. I understand that there are only so many buttons you can remember but the arrows make it somehow easier (it’s easier to distinguish left/right/top/bottom than the three thumb buttons).
Also I love the directional arrows and the ability to program any function on them. I don’t know why Canon doesn’t do that any more. I understand that there are only so many buttons you can remember but the arrows make it somehow easier (it’s easier to distinguish left/right/top/bottom than the three thumb buttons).
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What I see here is that we are noble Canon users! For me with R6 Mark III, Sony is behind no matter photo or video specs! But when Canon had the cripple hammer everyone else was spitting on our grave... now we have many winners here such as r5ii, r6iii, c50, c80, c400 and the one of its kind R1. That's why we are noble ppl we Canon users! We aren't mean and bad.. we are just again the Best! Simple as that!
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I find this kind of intel interesting. I've been a Canon life my entire shooting life. My first SLR was a Canon AV-1. I chose Canon because my Dad had an AE-1p and I could borrow his lenses. I've tried a few Nikons over the years, but I never liked their camera eronomics or the feel of their lenses. I've been with Canon all though the FD>EOS SLR / AF revolution > Digital SLR > Mirrorless and I've never found their cameras or lenses lacking in any way.
I've never even handled a Sony camera or lens, and only a few Nikons.
I choose my cameras out of the Canon portfolio beacuse of changes to my shooting requirements or needing to be on a new model due to my upgrade cycles. Lenses generally last a lot longer, sometimes as long as 20+ years! So I tend to focus on my lenes more than my camera bodies, although the jump to mirrorless was a one time hit that I felt was necessary to gain access to all the morern advancements since the latter DSLR days.
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For some time, before buying my second digital camera after the
S**y A7*, I kept hesitating between Canon's 5D III and Nikon's equivalent(D 800?). I was more in favour of the Nikon, having owned an F2 +FE.But 2 lenses made me chose Canon, my first Canon lenses were quite unusual, to say the least. The EF 24 mm TSE and the 100-400, which were said to be better than the comparable Nikon lenses. I never regretted my choice.
(The A7* was meant to adapt some Leica R lenses, but failed miserably due to poor ergonomics.)
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The diffrences between these cameras at this point is pretty much indistinguishable at this point. And I'm not just talking Canon and Sony. At the midrange level Canon, Sony, Nikon and Panasonic all have great options. The difference is going to be how these companies market and position their product.
In terms of model differntiation, as top tier specs trickle down their isn't going to be much of a need for that many. For example what need would a potential R3II fill in Canon's lineup? How would they make it better than R5mii and somehow less than the R1?
At this point I don't see a need for more than 3 options, budget, midrange and flagship and then a seperate "cinema" lineup. And most of the difference between those 3 will be better body features like EVF and then more software options.
We're not increasing MP, no one needs 4k 240. Anything more than 4k is primarily just to recompose. The big additions lately have been things like precapture and open gate which are more about convienence and work flow.
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Agreed. If there will be a R3 II it will have to find a different slot in the lineup
The R6 went 20 -> 24 -> 33 in a short time. Of course we will see cameras with more mp sooner or later.
Until someone does.
Eventually 8K will be the new 4K.
Technology marches on as well as expectations do. The history of tech is littered with sentences such as "no one will need more than X" and they've all been proven wrong
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The target market is never upgraders. Camera companies know that the average consumer is not buying a new $2000 plus camera every 3 or 4 years. The target market is probably still people moving from DSLR to mirrorless, those going from lower tier models to higher, people who have skipped one or two generations of the same model, as well as people adding a 2nd camera to perhaps supplement a crop camera with full frame, or vice versa, and 1st time camera buyers. Upgrades are slow, not because companies are trying to trickle out upgrades. Upgrades are slow and minimal because camera tech has been mature for many years now. It's really that simple. We don't need some kind of conspiracy theory.
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It's hard to find a different slot when all the other cameras are becoming increasingly more capable.
The Sony A7 has been at 33 MP for over 4 years now. Canon mailnly increased the MP to match Sony. Sony has a 61MP A7R series and it's really not that beneficial. When you factor in the file size 45-50MP is basically as high as you need to go. That's why you see the flagship A1 at 50MP even though the lower tier A7R is 61MP. The 33MP allow you to get to 7k which is plenty for a 4k camera and 45MP allow you to get to 8K which is why the R5mii is in that range.
I'm sure someone out there could use it but it's just not that useful to be commercially viable. For most people 4k60 is good enough for slo-mo and 4k120 is the upper limit that most people can use.
I don't think so. The obvious reason being that at normal viewing distances their just isn't a perceivable difference for most people. Currently options above 4k are used primarly to be able to reframe/crop and still have a 4k image. As a result 8k displays aren't really a thing. Sure you can buy a $5k 6k Apple pro display but the use case for that is to be able to edit a 4k image while still haveing UI on the display.
Sure technology marches on but advancements come in different areas. One of the latest innovations has been precapture. Alowing you to have multiple photos up to 1 second before you actually take a picture is a technological advancement but it doesn't increase the quality of the pictures you can take.
So sure SSC Tuatara can make a street legal car that goes 295 mph, but 99.99% of cars don't go anywhere near that speed because there's no market for it. The top speed of most cars hit a limit and then advancements moved to a differnt area.
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For hobbyist maybe but for Content Creators/Youtubers they are consantly upgrading and the primary reason in video. In a short span we've gone from cameras being photography only to now every camera does video. That video has gone from 1080/24 up to 8k/60 in a short timeframe. If you are making video content your are definitly upgrading way more than a hobbyist shooting still photos.
Take a look at the C50. That camera isn't aimed at someone upgrading drom DSLR. It's aimed at someone upgrading from the R5C which is 3 years old.
Now that video is maturing I agree upgrades will be slow and minimal. Which only leads to my point that they need to trickle those upgrades out slowly. They know they are only a few iterations away from making a camera that most people wont need to upgrade from and that is bad for future business.
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