Sony finally offers big/fast zooms

[quod]

Well, it's your problem.

You are the reigning example of why this site is a drag. Why don't you crawl back under that rock from which you came and stop ruining another thread with your fanboism. It's tiring. We get it. You love Canon. Whoopdeedoo! Move on and park yourself in the "I really want to get the IDXII" thread where you belong.

 

[jrista]

I'll be first in line for an a6300, and I may be getting the 70-200 as well. It depends on how well the a6300 focuses with a Canon 70-200 adapted with a Metabones. Been waiting for this camera for a year, and I'm glad to see the lens lineup is improving. Really curious to see how the 4D AF works with my Canon 600mm f/4 L II adapted to it as well.

 

[jrista]

Well, it's your problem.

You are the reigning example of why this site is a drag. Why don't you crawl back under that rock from which you came and stop ruining another thread with your fanboism. It's tiring. We get it. You love Canon. Whoopdeedoo! Move on and park yourself in the "I really want to get the IDXII" thread where you belong.

+1000

 

[Don Haines]

That is the problem .. standing between myself and Sony. Canon doesn't have the right bodies, Sony does not have the right lenses ... although they are getting there as far as FE [FF] is concerned. APs-C is a disaster zone.

How I'd wish I could get that A6300 sensor plus EVF plus AF-system in the shape of a Canon "EOS-M4"... and mount my EF-M lenses on it. And my 600EX-RTs would also work then.

But who knows, by the time I'm through with my 5D 3, Sony A7 III or IV will be around and a nice range of FE lenses. While Canon will likely still have no FF MILC and no native short-flange back lenses.

Well said. This really sums up the state of digital camera systems..... It really seems like everyone is good at everything, but nobody excels at everything. One has the best glass, another the best bodies, another the best user interface.... nobody with the best of everything..... and that's when the fanboys come out (on all sides) to argue that their choice for themselves should be the choice for others. sigh......... Why do people get upset when someone else makes a choice due to personal preferences that they would not have made for themselves....

My ideal camera body would have Canon AF, Olympus user interface, Sony sensor, Nikon buffer, and features taken from all four........ and I would be shooting through Canon lenses....except for that 200-500 Nikon that the birders around here love......

 

[quod]

Really curious to see how the 4D AF works with my Canon 600mm f/4 L II adapted to it as well.

If big Canon glass works well with the new AF system, I would definitely pull the trigger.

 

[candc]

Really curious to see how the 4D AF works with my Canon 600mm f/4 L II adapted to it as well.

If big Canon glass works well with the new AF system, I would definitely pull the trigger.

That will be interesting to see. The a7rii af does not work very well with the longer fl canon lenses for whatever reason.

 

[jrista]

Really curious to see how the 4D AF works with my Canon 600mm f/4 L II adapted to it as well.

If big Canon glass works well with the new AF system, I would definitely pull the trigger.

Yup. I've been pretty impressed so far with the A7s II performance with metabones, however I haven't yet seen anyone test a Canon supertele. They can require more power to focus due to the larger elements...I think that will be the big test. That, and battery longevity when using a Canon supertele with the 6300...if the lens sucks power, that might make it difficult. If that ends up being the case, I might pick up a 150-600mm lens instead (and I'll probably do that anyway regardless, as part of my reason for getting the a6300 is to have a more portable bird and wildlife photography kit that I can bring with me more often to more places on a more regular basis...I have to plan outings with the 600mm f/4 L II and 5D III, and I miss so many good opportunities on the drive home from work and such.)

 

[candc]

Really curious to see how the 4D AF works with my Canon 600mm f/4 L II adapted to it as well.

If big Canon glass works well with the new AF system, I would definitely pull the trigger.

Yup. I've been pretty impressed so far with the A7s II performance with metabones, however I haven't yet seen anyone test a Canon supertele. They can require more power to focus due to the larger elements...I think that will be the big test. That, and battery longevity when using a Canon supertele with the 6300...if the lens sucks power, that might make it difficult. If that ends up being the case, I might pick up a 150-600mm lens instead (and I'll probably do that anyway regardless, as part of my reason for getting the a6300 is to have a more portable bird and wildlife photography kit that I can bring with me more often to more places on a more regular basis...I have to plan outings with the 600mm f/4 L II and 5D III, and I miss so many good opportunities on the drive home from work and such.)

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Ive tried the a7rii with the tamron 150-600. If the lens is initially close to proper focus then it does ok but if its way off then there is a lot of hunting/stepping. Especially in low light. better with 400doii. Only tried the 600ii on a moonshot.

 

[ScottyP]

Curious to see how that 70-200 f/2.8 handles with a Rebel-sized grip on a long day of shooting...

- A

Yes. Exactly. Ergonomics make the tool. No one is clamoring for a pocket sized hammer because the normal size fits the purpose properly.
Look at the trend towards tinier and tinier cell phones, as parodied in the movie "Zoolander". Not long after people realized the ergonomics of tiny phones sucked as a phone. Add to that the functionality people wanted for smart phones and Steve Jobs snapped everyone back to reality by going bigger with the iPhone's to get a workable comfortable device.

Who wants to try holding onto a tiny mirror less camera with a large bright lens mounted?

 

[Don Haines]

Yes. Exactly. Ergonomics make the tool. No one is clamoring for a pocket sized hammer because the normal size fits the purpose properly.
Look at the trend towards tinier and tinier cell phones, as parodied in the movie "Zoolander". Not long after people realized the ergonomics of tiny phones sucked as a phone. Add to that the functionality people wanted for smart phones and Steve Jobs snapped everyone back to reality by going bigger with the iPhone's to get a workable comfortable device.

Who wants to try holding onto a tiny mirror less camera with a large bright lens mounted?

I definitely think that ergonomics is important.... For my hands, the 7D2 is almost perfect. It feels great in my hands, is well balanced, and the buttons and dials are almost in the right position. On the other hand (pun intended), the SX-50 is the worst camera that I have ever used..... I can not pick the D*#$*@#N thing up without accidently putting it into the 10 second timer mode.... the thing is so wrong for the size of my hands that it is almost criminal.... yet I will bet that those with tiny hands will never notice the problem.

 

[tcmatthews]

I do not think the A7II quite has enough power to support the longer glass. My 70-200f4L works great but the Tamron 150-600 could use a little help. It would not focus at all with the metabones III. With the metabones 4 it tries to auto focus and will if it has enough light.

But I have come to the decision that use it on my 7D mark II.

 

[candc]

So apparently posts with pictures of the Leica sl are stricken down on cr

 

[tcmatthews]

That is the problem .. standing between myself and Sony. Canon doesn't have the right bodies, Sony does not have the right lenses ... although they are getting there as far as FE [FF] is concerned. APs-C is a disaster zone.

How I'd wish I could get that A6300 sensor plus EVF plus AF-system in the shape of a Canon "EOS-M4"... and mount my EF-M lenses on it. And my 600EX-RTs would also work then.

But who knows, by the time I'm through with my 5D 3, Sony A7 III or IV will be around and a nice range of FE lenses. While Canon will likely still have no FF MILC and no native short-flange back lenses.

Well said. This really sums up the state of digital camera systems..... It really seems like everyone is good at everything, but nobody excels at everything. One has the best glass, another the best bodies, another the best user interface.... nobody with the best of everything..... and that's when the fanboys come out (on all sides) to argue that their choice for themselves should be the choice for others. sigh......... Why do people get upset when someone else makes a choice due to personal preferences that they would not have made for themselves....

My ideal camera body would have Canon AF, Olympus user interface, Sony sensor, Nikon buffer, and features taken from all four........ and I would be shooting through Canon lenses....except for that 200-500 Nikon that the birders around here love......

You might want to add Canon menus you do not want to be stuck with Olympus menus. In some ways they are worst than Sony.

 

[ahsanford]

Really curious to see how the 4D AF works with my Canon 600mm f/4 L II adapted to it as well.

If big Canon glass works well with the new AF system, I would definitely pull the trigger.

Yup. I've been pretty impressed so far with the A7s II performance with metabones, however I haven't yet seen anyone test a Canon supertele. They can require more power to focus due to the larger elements...I think that will be the big test. That, and battery longevity when using a Canon supertele with the 6300...if the lens sucks power, that might make it difficult.

You'd think someone would offer an adapter with a large integral battery pack for the 'migratory' Canon superwhite user moonlighting on an A7.

- A

 

[Dylan777]

i think the sony cameras are more suited for use with small fast primes. i really like using some of the old fd lenses. the only sony lens i have is the fe 55 and it is really good. its super sharp, well built and the af is fast.



none of these new zooms really interest me. i will probably always have several this new 85 looks promising but there is already the zeiss batis 85. it will be tough to top that lens. most of the reviews put it right up there with the otus.cameras so i don't see the need to use big dslr type zoom lenses on a milc. cameras all have their uses. there doesn't have to be "one camera to rule them all"

Batis 85 is not a bad lens, shot with a7s:
https://dylannguyen.smugmug.com/Events/Share-with-Public/n-2pr3NV/i-t2pGNCQ/A

I'll put new G Master 85 to the test(vs Batis 85). Will keep one at the end...

very nice. those portraits really show off the lens. i don't really use the fl length much or i would definitely be looking at the batis.

Your FE55 is not that far off from Batis quality - great lens. I'm currently own both Batis 25/85. After adding FE 35mm f1.4 and FE 35mm f2.8 to my Sony kit, I'm now ready to sell my FE 55.

What I really want for my Sony kit is FE 135f1.8 or f2. I'll settle with 70-200 G master until 135f1.8 comes out.

 

[Dylan777]

i think the sony cameras are more suited for use with small fast primes. i really like using some of the old fd lenses. the only sony lens i have is the fe 55 and it is really good. its super sharp, well built and the af is fast.



none of these new zooms really interest me. i will probably always have several this new 85 looks promising but there is already the zeiss batis 85. it will be tough to top that lens. most of the reviews put it right up there with the otus.cameras so i don't see the need to use big dslr type zoom lenses on a milc. cameras all have their uses. there doesn't have to be "one camera to rule them all"

Batis 85 is not a bad lens, shot with a7s:
https://dylannguyen.smugmug.com/Events/Share-with-Public/n-2pr3NV/i-t2pGNCQ/A

I'll put new G Master 85 to the test(vs Batis 85). Will keep one at the end...

That's very nice

Thanks Gnocchi

 

[jrista]

Really curious to see how the 4D AF works with my Canon 600mm f/4 L II adapted to it as well.

If big Canon glass works well with the new AF system, I would definitely pull the trigger.

Yup. I've been pretty impressed so far with the A7s II performance with metabones, however I haven't yet seen anyone test a Canon supertele. They can require more power to focus due to the larger elements...I think that will be the big test. That, and battery longevity when using a Canon supertele with the 6300...if the lens sucks power, that might make it difficult.

You'd think someone would offer an adapter with a large integral battery pack for the 'migratory' Canon superwhite user moonlighting on an A7.

- A

That might be nice, but long term I still hope for a Canon 5D model that has improved IQ. Hoping the 5D IV is it, because it's a better balance for the 600/4. My goal with the a6300 is actually to get a smaller camera that I can bring with me everywhere, since I cannot do that with the 5D III and 600/4. I may stick with a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens, or I may try a 150-600 (not sure how they will perform on the a6300, going to try renting first.) Anyway, the idea is smaller, lighter, but with a high frame rate, fast AF and good tracking. I think the a6300 fits the bill.

 

[Dylan777]

Really curious to see how the 4D AF works with my Canon 600mm f/4 L II adapted to it as well.

If big Canon glass works well with the new AF system, I would definitely pull the trigger.

Yup. I've been pretty impressed so far with the A7s II performance with metabones, however I haven't yet seen anyone test a Canon supertele. They can require more power to focus due to the larger elements...I think that will be the big test. That, and battery longevity when using a Canon supertele with the 6300...if the lens sucks power, that might make it difficult.

You'd think someone would offer an adapter with a large integral battery pack for the 'migratory' Canon superwhite user moonlighting on an A7.

- A

That might be nice, but long term I still hope for a Canon 5D model that has improved IQ. Hoping the 5D IV is it, because it's a better balance for the 600/4. My goal with the a6300 is actually to get a smaller camera that I can bring with me everywhere, since I cannot do that with the 5D III and 600/4. I may stick with a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens, or I may try a 150-600 (not sure how they will perform on the a6300, going to try renting first.) Anyway, the idea is smaller, lighter, but with a high frame rate, fast AF and good tracking. I think the a6300 fits the bill.

To get all best features and IQ Sony has to offer, I would stay with native 70-200 for your A6300. Maybe add latest 1.4x or x2 TC for extra reach(x2 TC= 210 - 600mm day time shooting).

I don't have much interest in crop at this moment. But when I do, there should be no hesitation with current a6000. The a6300 specs looks even better.

 

[ahsanford]

long term I still hope for a Canon 5D model that has improved IQ. Hoping the 5D IV is it, because it's a better balance for the 600/4. My goal with the a6300 is actually to get a smaller camera that I can bring with me everywhere, since I cannot do that with the 5D III and 600/4. I may stick with a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens, or I may try a 150-600 (not sure how they will perform on the a6300, going to try renting first.) Anyway, the idea is smaller, lighter, but with a high frame rate, fast AF and good tracking. I think the a6300 fits the bill.

To get all features, I would stay with native 70-200 for your A6300. Maybe add latest 1.4x or x2 TC for extra reach(x2 TC= 210 - 600mm day time shooting).

...don't forget about 6 batteries as well. (I'm not knocking mirrorless so much as respecting its limitations.)

- A

 

[Dylan777]

long term I still hope for a Canon 5D model that has improved IQ. Hoping the 5D IV is it, because it's a better balance for the 600/4. My goal with the a6300 is actually to get a smaller camera that I can bring with me everywhere, since I cannot do that with the 5D III and 600/4. I may stick with a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens, or I may try a 150-600 (not sure how they will perform on the a6300, going to try renting first.) Anyway, the idea is smaller, lighter, but with a high frame rate, fast AF and good tracking. I think the a6300 fits the bill.

To get all features, I would stay with native 70-200 for your A6300. Maybe add latest 1.4x or x2 TC for extra reach(x2 TC= 210 - 600mm day time shooting).

...don't forget about 6 batteries as well. (I'm not knocking mirrorless so much as respecting its limitations.)

- A

True.

Few weeks back, I took my kids to Palm Spring Aerial Tramway for snow playing. I brought my a7r II + FE 35f2.8. I made big mistake by carrying 4 batteries total - 1 in camera and 3 spare. Went home with over 800 shots, two batteries were untouched, 1 empty and 1 in camera has 15% left.

Here is one of 800ish shots:
https://dylannguyen.smugmug.com/Events/Share-with-Public/n-2pr3NV/i-DBdhGSX/A

The sad part is that, I didn't missed my 1dx at all. As a 1dx user, there is no need to send a giant to kill an ant.