The 5D IV is so Yesterday

[AvTvM]

I'd say USD/€ 3000. It should be a few hundred less expensive than a comparable mirrorslapper like 5D IV ... since mirror, prism and all the mechanical crap which is costly to assemble, adjust, quality control and service under warranty is gone.

How well does your logic hold up when you compare pricing for the EOS M bodies to their concurrent, comparable dSLRs?

My logic is perfectly fine. Observation reveals, that relative to APS-C mirrorslappers and assorted crop lenses (EF-S etc.) ...

* Canon overcharges on mirrorless EOS M bodies (M5 MSRP should be less than SL-1), but at least prices EF-M lenses very fairly (more bang for buck compared to relevant EF-S).

* Sony overcharges on both, bodies and E lenses ... either sub-par IQ and still higher price than Canon or "Zeiss-Tag premium" and not much better IQ than Canon EF-M 22/2.0 or 11-22

* Fuji overcharges on both mirrorless bodies ["retro premium" ] and even more so on lenses, despite generally good IQ ["fast prime lens with retro aperture ring sucker's premium"

* Oly grossly overcharges for dwarf-sensor mirrorless cams in too big bodies and for their quarter-format image crop lenses.

* Panasonic? don't count. Dwarf-sensored video toys with way too large bodies.



A. BIG FAT JAPANESE CAMERA BODY WITH TINY BRAIN SENSOR

: : :


B. NICE SPORTY BODIES, ZERO FAT AND FULL-SIZE 6-PACK SENSOR

8) 8) 8)


Actually, if one subtracts price of bolted-on Zeiss lens from a Sony RX1R-II with FE lens mount up front, it should be around USD / € 1.999,-

 

[Mikehit]

My logic is perfectly fine. Observation reveals, that relative to APS-C mirrorslappers and assorted crop lenses (EF-S etc.) ...

* Canon overcharges on mirrorless EOS M bodies (M5 MSRP should be less than SL-1), but at least prices EF-M lenses very fairly (more bang for buck compared to relevant EF-S).

* Sony overcharges on both, bodies and E lenses ... either sub-par IQ and still higher price than Canon or "Zeiss-Tag premium" and not much better IQ than Canon EF-M 22/2.0 or 11-22

* Fuji overcharges on both mirrorless bodies ["retro premium" ] and even more so on lenses, despite generally good IQ ["fast prime lens with retro aperture ring sucker's premium"

* Oly grossly overcharges for dwarf-sensor mirrorless cams in too big bodies and for their quarter-format image crop lenses.

* Panasonic? don't count. Dwarf-sensored video toys with way too large bodies.



A. BIG FAT JAPANESE CAMERA BODY WITH TINY BRAIN SENSOR

: : :


B. NICE SPORTY BODIES, ZERO FAT AND FULL-SIZE 6-PACK SENSOR

8) 8) 8)


Actually, if one subtracts price of bolted-on Zeiss lens from a Sony RX1R-II with FE lens mount up front, it should be around USD / € 1.999,-

What 'observation' is that?
Sounds to me like you logic is along the lines of "mirrorless should be significantly cheaper than SLR. They aren't which means Canon are overcharging for mirrorless which proves my point"

 

[unfocused]

I did not include a full-frame mirrorless on my list because I just don't see it happening in the near future.

The size advantage of mirrorless is pretty much lost when you put a full frame lens on the body, so there needs to be other compelling reasons to use a mirrorless camera and I don't see that being the case for most users. I also don't see Canon adding a fourth lens mount to the lineup, so any full frame mirrorless would likely use EF mount lenses.

Eventually, the quality of an electronic view finder may get good enough to replace the mirror under all circumstances, but the technology isn't there yet. When that does happen, I would expect any full frame mirrorless to look and behave a lot like current reflex mirror cameras -- many consumers may not even be aware of the difference.

In the meantime, I suspect Canon has come to the same conclusion as Fuji – there aren't enough advantages to justify a full frame offering and there are a lot of disadvantages.

 

[Loswr]

I'd say USD/€ 3000. It should be a few hundred less expensive than a comparable mirrorslapper like 5D IV ... since mirror, prism and all the mechanical crap which is costly to assemble, adjust, quality control and service under warranty is gone.

How well does your logic hold up when you compare pricing for the EOS M bodies to their concurrent, comparable dSLRs?

My logic is perfectly fine. Observation reveals, that relative to APS-C mirrorslappers and assorted crop lenses (EF-S etc.) ...

* Canon overcharges on mirrorless EOS M bodies (M5 MSRP should be less than SL-1), but at least prices EF-M lenses very fairly (more bang for buck compared to relevant EF-S).

So you are saying that EOS M bodies are priced higher than their APS-C dSLR counterparts, and you believe that fact supports your contention that a Canon FF MILC would be cheaper than a comparable FF dSLR.

You should consider auditing a course in logic at a local college, you evidently need some remedial education in that area.

 

[Ryananthony]

I'd say USD/€ 3000. It should be a few hundred less expensive than a comparable mirrorslapper like 5D IV ... since mirror, prism and all the mechanical crap which is costly to assemble, adjust, quality control and service under warranty is gone.

How well does your logic hold up when you compare pricing for the EOS M bodies to their concurrent, comparable dSLRs?

My logic is perfectly fine. Observation reveals, that relative to APS-C mirrorslappers and assorted crop lenses (EF-S etc.) ...

* Canon overcharges on mirrorless EOS M bodies (M5 MSRP should be less than SL-1), but at least prices EF-M lenses very fairly (more bang for buck compared to relevant EF-S).

* Sony overcharges on both, bodies and E lenses ... either sub-par IQ and still higher price than Canon or "Zeiss-Tag premium" and not much better IQ than Canon EF-M 22/2.0 or 11-22

* Fuji overcharges on both mirrorless bodies ["retro premium" ] and even more so on lenses, despite generally good IQ ["fast prime lens with retro aperture ring sucker's premium"

* Oly grossly overcharges for dwarf-sensor mirrorless cams in too big bodies and for their quarter-format image crop lenses.

* Panasonic? don't count. Dwarf-sensored video toys with way too large bodies.



A. BIG FAT JAPANESE CAMERA BODY WITH TINY BRAIN SENSOR

: : :


B. NICE SPORTY BODIES, ZERO FAT AND FULL-SIZE 6-PACK SENSOR

8) 8) 8)


Actually, if one subtracts price of bolted-on Zeiss lens from a Sony RX1R-II with FE lens mount up front, it should be around USD / € 1.999,-

I'm surprised none of these companies have hired you. Sounds like you know exactly what to do to bring each of them to the top of the leader boards.

 

[Jopa]

* 85 1.2L III (overdue!!!)
- or -
A fast portrait prime anything from 85 to 135, something similar to the new Nikon 105 f/1.4 would be nice
* A relatively fast ( f/1.8 ) portrait prime with IS and fast AF (fantastic)
* 5dsr II (oh yeah 8))
* A firmware update for the 1dx2 to include DPRAW and maybe h.264 for 4k (unlikely, but why not? )

 

[LesC]

I'd like to see an Sl1/EOS100D replacement but hope the M5 hasn't put paid to that.