... the A7rII has killed the Canon 5Ds 50 Megapixel camera.... :-(

[Maiaibing]

a Sony exec essentially says "Yep, we hear people complaining about lossy RAW, if enough of them complain we may do something about it, some day, and technically it could be done in firmware" and turn it to a "Uncompressed RAW coming soon in firmware update !!" headline. :

1) Uncompressed RAW would merit a big headline as no one has tried this yet.
2) It would in fact also be pretty stupid and probably merit another big headline just for this reason .

 

[privatebydesign]

Is there any loss of image quality, when using the Sony A7 range with a Metabones Canon EF lens adaptor ?.

Is there any loss of image quality, when using the Sony A7 range with a Metabones Canon EF lens adaptor ?.

No. The adapter does not contain any optical elements.

I am getting a git bored with trying to form an opinion, based on two camps of fanboys and all the ranting in between, so I have ordered both to decide for myself. Hopefully the 5DSR is coming this week and I am no.2 in line for the A7RII.

Is there any loss of image quality, when using the Sony A7 range with a Metabones Canon EF lens adaptor ?.

nope. there is no optical elements in between. but the adaptors/mount manufacturing torlence does vary. my A7r shifts fair abit now after using it with heavier lens like sony's 70-400mm. the shift MAY cause some misalginment i.e. less sharp image, especially towards more extreme corners/edge. but i personally cant tell if the drop in sharpness is just my lens are not good enough or misalignment issue.

Yes there is an IQ hit even with glassless adapters, especially in the corners of high MP sensors where the lens and sensor are designed for the same size image circle (like EF lenses onto the FF Sony's).

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters

 

[privatebydesign]

I am getting a git bored with trying to form an opinion, based on two camps of fanboys and all the ranting in between, so I have ordered both to decide for myself. Hopefully the 5DSR is coming this week and I am no.2 in line for the A7RII.

Yes, please let us know what you think after using both of them. Curious to see how they compare in "real world" shooting

Picked up the 5DSR today (the first test shots of The Local Lion are done ), but the A7RII is still weeks away, so there will be some time before I can do any comparisons.

First 5 minute look at the output from the 5DSR is very promising. It seems to be over exposing a bit, but that may be a minor adjustment. The sound of the mirror will delight the wedding photographers. Very soft sound. Very nice to have EC in manual mode with Auto-ISO. The first shadows look very nice at 100ISO and resolution is stunning.

So regarding the title of this thread ... Not sure that will happen ...

Now I have others things to do, so have a nice evening

Eldar, I told you to have some patience didn't I? I am so glad you are finding positive elements from the files, I could feel your disappointment at announcement time from 1000's of miles away ;D

Looking forwards to seeing some of those files.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I am getting a git bored with trying to form an opinion, based on two camps of fanboys and all the ranting in between, so I have ordered both to decide for myself. Hopefully the 5DSR is coming this week and I am no.2 in line for the A7RII.

Is there any loss of image quality, when using the Sony A7 range with a Metabones Canon EF lens adaptor ?.

Possibly at the edges of the image, the light rays may strike the photo sensors at a different angle compared to a native Sony lens. The camera expects rays to hit at a certain angle, and varies the amplification of the outer pixels to try and even the light levels by boosting amplification at the sensor edges.

I doubt that most would not detect a difference, but until people have tested it, its one of the unknowns.

 

[Orangutan]

Since we're on the topic of lens mount adapters, I have a question for the engineers and optics geeks out there. What's the feasibility of releasing a body (or variant) that has no native lens mount, but is specifically designed to accept mount adapters for any of the major lens lines? The idea is that it would be wider than any of the current FF lens mounts, and otherwise designed to avoid the current problems of lens adapters.

It seems this would be easier with mirrorless than reflex.

 

[fragilesi]

Isn't this kind of headline pretty much par for the course now in the "media"? Seems to me in magazines they often have teasers like "Is this the new xyz killer?". It draws in extra hits / readers. It means the cube root of diddly squat minus 10.

 

[leGreve]

So lemme get this straight. Some guy who performs on a youtube channel where they parody stuff says that camera X "kills" camera Y and people are concerned with it.

But then again I clearly have a lot to learn about writing titles for blog posts ... like when someone can take an interview where a Sony exec essentially says "Yep, we hear people complaining about lossy RAW, if enough of them complain we may do something about it, some day, and technically it could be done in firmware" and turn it to a "Uncompressed RAW coming soon in firmware update !!" headline. :

Actually a Sony rep did say, to the camera, that the fixed the raw issue.... it's now 14 bit, just like Canons, and is compressed raw, just like Canons.

I see a lot of people naively believing that Canons still raw files are uncompressed, nothing could be farther from the truth. They are however, just like Sony's raw files, lossless.

This is true in the case of the A7r II

 

[privatebydesign]

So lemme get this straight. Some guy who performs on a youtube channel where they parody stuff says that camera X "kills" camera Y and people are concerned with it.

But then again I clearly have a lot to learn about writing titles for blog posts ... like when someone can take an interview where a Sony exec essentially says "Yep, we hear people complaining about lossy RAW, if enough of them complain we may do something about it, some day, and technically it could be done in firmware" and turn it to a "Uncompressed RAW coming soon in firmware update !!" headline. :

Actually a Sony rep did say, to the camera, that the fixed the raw issue.... it's now 14 bit, just like Canons, and is compressed raw, just like Canons.

I see a lot of people naively believing that Canons still raw files are uncompressed, nothing could be farther from the truth. They are however, just like Sony's raw files, lossless.

This is true in the case of the A7r II

Both Canon and Sony (and pretty much everybody else's) RAW files are compressed, Canon RAW files use lossless compression, Sony RAW files do not.

 

[leGreve]

So lemme get this straight. Some guy who performs on a youtube channel where they parody stuff says that camera X "kills" camera Y and people are concerned with it.

But then again I clearly have a lot to learn about writing titles for blog posts ... like when someone can take an interview where a Sony exec essentially says "Yep, we hear people complaining about lossy RAW, if enough of them complain we may do something about it, some day, and technically it could be done in firmware" and turn it to a "Uncompressed RAW coming soon in firmware update !!" headline. :

Actually a Sony rep did say, to the camera, that the fixed the raw issue.... it's now 14 bit, just like Canons, and is compressed raw, just like Canons.

I see a lot of people naively believing that Canons still raw files are uncompressed, nothing could be farther from the truth. They are however, just like Sony's raw files, lossless.

This is true in the case of the A7r II

Both Canon and Sony (and pretty much everybody else's) RAW files are compressed, Canon RAW files use lossless compression, Sony RAW files do not.

Their promise to do so in the near future is enough for me....

 

[YuengLinger]

If anything kills the 5Ds, it will be limited appeal. Seems too narrowly tailored to studio work and, not as much, to some landscape. Basically, as I understand the specs, with the low ceiling on the ISO, the 5Ds will shine only with great light (meaning, in many cases, flash/strobe) or a tripod.

 

[privatebydesign]

So lemme get this straight. Some guy who performs on a youtube channel where they parody stuff says that camera X "kills" camera Y and people are concerned with it.

But then again I clearly have a lot to learn about writing titles for blog posts ... like when someone can take an interview where a Sony exec essentially says "Yep, we hear people complaining about lossy RAW, if enough of them complain we may do something about it, some day, and technically it could be done in firmware" and turn it to a "Uncompressed RAW coming soon in firmware update !!" headline. :

Actually a Sony rep did say, to the camera, that the fixed the raw issue.... it's now 14 bit, just like Canons, and is compressed raw, just like Canons.

I see a lot of people naively believing that Canons still raw files are uncompressed, nothing could be farther from the truth. They are however, just like Sony's raw files, lossless.

This is true in the case of the A7r II

Both Canon and Sony (and pretty much everybody else's) RAW files are compressed, Canon RAW files use lossless compression, Sony RAW files do not.

Their promise to do so in the near future is enough for me....

Your belief in their comment that they might change that at some future date via a firmware upgrade is one thing, stating "They are however, just like Sony's raw files, lossless." is quite another. One is a hope, the other is factually incorrect.

As is your original edited comment "Actually they do now........"!

 

[LDS]

Seems too narrowly tailored to studio work and, not as much, to some landscape.

Do you know how many professionals do a lot of money with that kind of photography? It's the whole ads/fashion/arts market. Those, unlike wildlife/sport/news photographers, are very hard to replace with some semipro around, exactly because you need a studio and more equipment (and the skills to use it proficiently) than just a camera and a few lenses. Not a bad market to aim for at all...

 

[LDS]

I was thinking of ordering an 5DSR (€3700).
But would´nt it be better to wait - for an 5DIV?

It looks people don't understand that despite the "5D" main number the S and non-S camera are very different beasts, different philosophies aimed at different kind of photography. Probably Canon should have called them in a different way.

Should you buy a 5DS or 5D MK IV? Only you know what you use the camera for, and what you do with your images. They are not overlapping cameras.

If you feel the need to always own the "latest and the best", well, then only the next camera you still don't own it's what you're looking for

 

[Loswr]

Actually a Sony rep did say, to the camera, that the fixed the raw issue.... it's now 14 bit, just like Canons, and is compressed raw, just like Canons.

I see a lot of people naively believing that Canons still raw files are uncompressed, nothing could be farther from the truth. They are however, just like Sony's raw files, lossless.

This is true in the case of the A7r II

No.

Their promise to do so in the near future is enough for me....

Perhaps the statement of one engineer, who was apparently mistaken about some of the camera's basic specs, that they might consider doing so at some unspecified future time is enough for you. That's a personal decision.

 

[Pookie]

Ridiculous headline.

Thought for sure this was Dudbert.

 

[YuengLinger]

Seems too narrowly tailored to studio work and, not as much, to some landscape.

Do you know how many professionals do a lot of money with that kind of photography? It's the whole ads/fashion/arts market. Those, unlike wildlife/sport/news photographers, are very hard to replace with some semipro around, exactly because you need a studio and more equipment (and the skills to use it proficiently) than just a camera and a few lenses. Not a bad market to aim for at all...

I fully expect the 5Ds to do please pros who shoot subjects especially suitable to medium format cameras, but who want something smaller and cheaper and with more lenses.

However, for better or worse, the "ads/fashion/arts market" is a very small pool. A camera like the 5DIII, which I think is underappreciated, appeals not only to pros in all the types of photography mentioned, plus wedding photographers, plus enthusiasts, plus people who just want a great, incredibly flexible photo making machine.

Clearly, Canon is putting the 5Ds out there as a specialist's tool, otherwise its virtues would have been incorporated in the upcoming 5DIV.

 

[YellowJersey]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.

I think there's a lot of hype and emotion right now that's clouding people's judgments along with a lot of incomplete information.

Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

 

[YuengLinger]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.

I think there's a lot of hype and emotion right now that's clouding people's judgments along with a lot of incomplete information.

Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

Right. No passion. No enthusiasm. What would be the point of a Rumors forum, and where else would we have this much fun?

 

[YellowJersey]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.

I think there's a lot of hype and emotion right now that's clouding people's judgments along with a lot of incomplete information.

Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

Right. No passion. No enthusiasm. What would be the point of a Rumors forum, and where else would we have this much fun?

By all means, speculate away and have fun. But unless you have money to burn or need a camera right now, I wouldn't be so hasty to spend $3000 and up before all the options and information are out there and known.

 

[zlatko]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.
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Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible. Chances of the 5D4/6D2 offering something more substantial than what they do today? Close to 0. Chances of the 5D3->5D4 or 6D->6D2 being as big of an upgrade as A7R->A7RII? Also close to 0.

So why are you waiting? Have you got your Sony yet?