... the A7rII has killed the Canon 5Ds 50 Megapixel camera.... :-(

[canonvoir]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.
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Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible. Chances of the 5D4/6D2 offering something more substantial than what they do today? Close to 0. Chances of the 5D3->5D4 or 6D->6D2 being as big of an upgrade as A7R->A7RII? Also close to 0.

So why are you waiting? Have you got your Sony yet?

I purchased an a7ii and my a7rii is on preoorder. I have 7 native FE lenses (two of seven are Batis lenses on preorder). I am putting my money where my mouth is. I won't touch my Canon gear (minus my lenses) until football season kicks off.

 

[YellowJersey]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.
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Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible. Chances of the 5D4/6D2 offering something more substantial than what they do today? Close to 0. Chances of the 5D3->5D4 or 6D->6D2 being as big of an upgrade as A7R->A7RII? Also close to 0.

Anything's possible. I'd say the 5Ds(r) is a potential sign that Canon may be getting its act together. Maybe.

 

[Solar Eagle]

But I am convinced, Canon is able to do "more".

Of course they can, but that's not how industry works. There was technology for flat panel TV's in the 70's, but none of that came to market until decades later. Every new generation of TV that comes out only comes out after the previous generation has been milked. 3D after 1080, but nobody took to 3D so now its curved panel. 4K is out, but not until after everybody bought 1080. The camera industry is no different. Canon can make a 150 megapixel FF sensor if they wanted to, but that's makes no sense.

 

[3kramd5]

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible.

How exactly are you quantifying "as little as possible?"

Do you believe for example that 51MP is as low resolution as canon could possibly made the 5DS? That they can't have produced an AF unit with fewer than 61 dedicated PDAF sensors?

While that may be true, I doubt it. But we'll see if the 5DS represents the baseline for all future canon offerings.


Personally, the change from 5D3 to 5D3 was hardly minimal.

 

[Ian_of_glos]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.
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Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible. Chances of the 5D4/6D2 offering something more substantial than what they do today? Close to 0. Chances of the 5D3->5D4 or 6D->6D2 being as big of an upgrade as A7R->A7RII? Also close to 0.

So why are you waiting? Have you got your Sony yet?

I purchased an a7ii and my a7rii is on preoorder. I have 7 native FE lenses (two of seven are Batis lenses on preorder). I am putting my money where my mouth is. I won't touch my Canon gear (minus my lenses) until football season kicks off.

Do you notice a big difference between the Sony A7ii and your canon? What would you say are the main advantages of the Sony - the reasons why you won't touch your Canon until the start of the football season?

 

[xps]

But I am convinced, Canon is able to do "more".

Of course they can, but that's not how industry works. There was technology for flat panel TV's in the 70's, but none of that came to market until decades later. Every new generation of TV that comes out only comes out after the previous generation has been milked. 3D after 1080, but nobody took to 3D so now its curved panel. 4K is out, but not until after everybody bought 1080. The camera industry is no different. Canon can make a 150 megapixel FF sensor if they wanted to, but that's makes no sense.

You are right. The market analysts are saying, which are the optimal improvements to maximise the profit. If an competitor makes an big step foreward, they will do so too. But if no one does, small improvements are enough. I visited some lectures about this topic some years ago. And market & profit analysis are very difficult and costly

 

[xps]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.

I think there's a lot of hype and emotion right now that's clouding people's judgments along with a lot of incomplete information.

Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

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I will do so too. Waiting some month until the first MkIV or 6DII tests are out. Then the price of the A7RII will be sunk too (3500€! recently in Germany).

 

[Maiaibing]

Personally, the change from 5D3 to 5D3 was hardly minimal.

Actually less than minimal I would say. But of course I never even bought one so what do I know? ;D

 

[xps]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.
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Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible. Chances of the 5D4/6D2 offering something more substantial than what they do today? Close to 0. Chances of the 5D3->5D4 or 6D->6D2 being as big of an upgrade as A7R->A7RII? Also close to 0.

Anything's possible. I'd say the 5Ds(r) is a potential sign that Canon may be getting its act together. Maybe.

I hope you are right. The growing number of better bodies of all camera manufacturer will hopefully end in rising efforts of Canon to get back in their leading position.
If you read german magazines, like Color foto, the test results of Nikon and Sony and so one are MUCH better than the results from Canon. I heard Canons analysts do not see any reason to make the next big steps in IQ as their products sell well, but maybe they are going to miss the train

 

[fragilesi]

I hope you are right. The growing number of better bodies of all camera manufacturer will hopefully end in rising efforts of Canon to get back in their leading position.
If you read german magazines, like Color foto, the test results of Nikon and Sony and so one are MUCH better than the results from Canon. I heard Canons analysts do not see any reason to make the next big steps in IQ as their products sell well, but maybe they are going to miss the train

Do you have a link where these magazines do a review and state outright that the Nikon and Sony bodies are "MUCH better" than Canon overall?

 

[johnnycash]

Ridiculous headline.

Only someone who would want to hurt Canon 5DS would actually copy & paste this headline.

 

[xps]

Ridiculous headline.

Only someone who would want to hurt Canon 5DS would actually copy & paste this headline.

Sir, this was really not my intention! I just want to know, which Cam to buy.

 

[robbinzo]

Ridiculous headline.

Only someone who would want to hurt Canon 5DS would actually copy & paste this headline.

Sir, this was really not my intention! I just want to know, which Cam to buy.

Everyone's a critic.

 

[Loswr]

Ridiculous headline.

Only someone who would want to hurt Canon 5DS would actually copy & paste this headline.

Sir, this was really not my intention! I just want to know, which Cam to buy.

So read the headline. The 5Ds has been killed. No point in buying one. No point at all.

 

[3kramd5]

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible.

How exactly are you quantifying "as little as possible?"

Do you believe for example that 51MP is as low resolution as canon could possibly made the 5DS? That they can't have produced an AF unit with fewer than 61 dedicated PDAF sensors?

The 5Ds 50.6MP sensor is simply a full frame version of what's already available elsewhere in Canon's lineup (the 7D Mark II).

So scaling a sensor (if that is indeed what they did, which I doubt since the 7D2 process creates split pixels for DPAF purposes, and there's no indication the 5DS has split pixels) = as little as possible? Would it have been better for them to re-design the body, perhaps necessitating a host of new accessories?

The *only* new features that Canon added with the 5Ds were USB 3.0 and a JPEG crop mode for 1.3x and 1.6x image. The sensor just has more megapixels - that's not a new feature.

Had it 4K (a resolution increase to an existing capability) would that have been a feature?

Are you going to use either of those new features?

No, I won't use crop mode nor USB since I use card readers, assuming I take delivery of my 5DS. I would, however, use the feature for which I ordered it: the high-resolution sensor. If all goes well with the A7RII (which I also have on order), I may use it instead for that purpose.

Personally, the change from 5D3 to 5D3 was hardly minimal.

You should proof read your posts

LOL! I stand corrected. The change from 5D3 to 5D3 was minimal by definition.

 

[Sporgon]

Personally, the change from 5D3 to 5D3 was hardly minimal.

You should proof read your posts

LOL! I stand corrected. The change from 5D3 to 5D3 was minimal by definition.

Ah-ha - but what if you set up two tests over the inter web, one to thoroughly disadvantage the 5DIII, and the other to enhance the cameras best points ?

Then there would be a change

 

[privatebydesign]

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible.

How exactly are you quantifying "as little as possible?"

Do you believe for example that 51MP is as low resolution as canon could possibly made the 5DS? That they can't have produced an AF unit with fewer than 61 dedicated PDAF sensors?

The 5Ds 50.6MP sensor is simply a full frame version of what's already available elsewhere in Canon's lineup (the 7D Mark II).

The *only* new features that Canon added with the 5Ds were USB 3.0 and a JPEG crop mode for 1.3x and 1.6x image. The sensor just has more megapixels - that's not a new feature.

Are you going to use either of those new features?

Personally, the change from 5D3 to 5D3 was hardly minimal.

You should proof read your posts

No it is not, they are completely different and Canon have said so. Besides, the empirical results demonstrate they are not even close to each other.

 

[zlatko]

My two cents: wait for the 5DmkIV and 6DmkII and see what happens. The 5Ds(r) just came out, the A7rII was just announced, a 5DmkIV is coming in the next 7 months or so, and at this stage of the game I'd say it's too early to say which is best for you.
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Wait until the cameras are out, the reviews posted, users share their experiences with all of them, tempers cool, and the dust settles. Then see which one suits you best.

Why wait for a Canon update?

We've seen what Canon does with their updates - as little as possible. Chances of the 5D4/6D2 offering something more substantial than what they do today? Close to 0. Chances of the 5D3->5D4 or 6D->6D2 being as big of an upgrade as A7R->A7RII? Also close to 0.

Have you got your Sony yet?

 

[Loswr]

The 5Ds 50.6MP sensor is simply a full frame version of what's already available elsewhere in Canon's lineup (the 7D Mark II).

Oh, ok. The a7RII 42.4 MP sensor is simply a full frame version of what's already available elsewhere in Sony's lineup, except that it's had a substantial amount of resolution taken away, and they have much better sensor tech available but they're holding it back to milk their customers and force them to pay top dollar for old tech. Total innovation fail.

You should proof read your posts

You should check your posts for accuracy. I'll take a few typos any day over your egregious factual and conceptual errors.

 

[zlatko]

The 5Ds 50.6MP sensor is simply a full frame version of what's already available elsewhere in Canon's lineup (the 7D Mark II).

Oh, ok. The a7RII 42.4 MP sensor is simply a full frame version of what's already available elsewhere in Sony's lineup, except that it's had a substantial amount of resolution taken away, and they have much better sensor tech available but they're holding it back to milk their customers and force them to pay top dollar for old tech. Total innovation fail.

About milking customers, how about paying more and getting less:
- 24-70/4 with 3.84% barrel distortion at 24 and 3% pincushion distortion at 70, and costs $200 more than Canon's;
- 70-200/4 that weighs 80g more than Canon's, is bigger than Canon's, costs $300 more than Canon's; and despite the new A7 cameras having in-body stabilization, you still have to pay for the OSS;
- Zeiss isn't helping with the 85/1.8 Batis that costs 3X what Canon's 85/1.8 costs and has 12X as much distortion as Canon's.

About holding back, here are a few things Sony is holding back:
- missing 24-70/2.8 ... but who uses those anyway?;
- missing 70-200/2.8 ... ditto;
- missing 50/1.4 & 50/1.2;
- missing all primes over 90mm (100mm through 800mm);
- missing fisheye, T-S lenses, etc.
- missing radio-control flash system.

And Sony is so busy innovating that they don't even have time to make an EF to FE lens adapter to make up for all of the lenses missing in their system. Instead, they're making AF speed claims for a 3d party's EF to Fe adapter.

I do like the idea of the A7 camera series, but the system leaves a lot to be desired and all of that sensor "innovation" doesn't make up for it.