The Canon EOS R1 may not come until the 2nd half of 2023 [CR2]

[neuroanatomist]

Hey Neuro, just curious, what kind of stuff do you shoot? You’re a well respected member of the CR community and you have some awesome gear, so yeah, what do you like to photograph!?

A mix of many subjects (which is probably why I have so many lenses!). Most of my shooting comprises birds, architecture/travel, nature and family.

 

[bergstrom]

I know that Canon is listening to user feedback on the R3 for the final development of the R1. It makes sense to me that acquiring the feedback will take several months especially with the supply chain issues. I would rather have Canon delay the R1 by a few months and get the camera right than rush it to market just because buyers are becoming impatient.

I hope they were listening on the feedback on the crap RP

 

[neuroanatomist]

I hope they were listening on the feedback on the crap RP

LOL. Try to get a grip on reality. You can call the RP 'crap' until you're blue in the face. So can other forum-dwellers (though honestly, I don't see many complaints).

The feedback Canon's leadership is listening to is that last week the RP was the best-selling full frame camera in Japan and the 4th best-selling ILC overall in Japan (with Canon cameras also comprising the top 3).

 

[bernie_king]

I expect a dev announcement early Q4 this year with release Late Q2/Early Q3 2023. I'd love to see a global shutter, but I think we'll at least get quad pixel AF, around 60mp, and a new processor (probably dual processors) around $7000.

 

[BBarn]

If I was interested in the R1 I'd be asking myself what I want to shoot for the next year or two.

 

[unfocused]

Canon's only deadline is the 2024 Olympics if the R1 follows the typical 1 Series timetable. If it comes in 2023, I would expect it will be late in 2023. Delivery may not come until 2024. R1 Development announcement late in 2023. Delivery first quarter of 2024. R5II in July-Sept of 2024.

 

[navastronia]

I see we've gone 25 replies with no one saying "good, this gives me more time to arrange to sell a kidney." I'm disappointed in you all!

 

[pzyber]

As expected then, released in before the olympics like the 1D X cameras. Never thought it would arrive before that, especially not with R3 being released.

 

[masterpix]

My switch to mirrorless hangs on the RP2. Fix everything that everyone complaned about. A mini R3 if you will.

When Canon started to "number" the R series, it seems that define the R7 right under the R6 leaves no room for "low end FF". Thus, I don't think there will be a "direct" R or RP replacements, the R10 and R100 does the "lower end" for R cameras while the R6 is the closest to the "R" replacement in a way. The RP, as "low end FF" has probably filled its place in the camera history.

 

[masterpix]

I see we've gone 25 replies with no one saying "good, this gives me more time to arrange to sell a kidney." I'm disappointed in you all!

My main concern is not the camera (have the R5 and very happy with it), it is the glass needed for it. Many of the old EF lenses just don't keep with the resolution.. And by the way, I am not going to sell any kidney soon, there are other organs much more appealing (joke)

 

[Maximilian]

Canon please bring it on ASAP.
Then you can concentrate on the more affordable tools
(or bring an RP successor first )

 

[HMC11]

........Many of the old EF lenses just don't keep with the resolution.. And by the way, I am not going to sell any kidney soon, there are other organs much more appealing (joke)

Not sure if that is accurate. If we look only at 'resolution', my understanding is that the overall/system (ie. lens plus sensors) MTF is the product of sensor MTF and Lens MTF. So, if the R1 has an even better MTF than the R5, then the EF lens would perform even better on the R1 compared with the R5. Of course, if the MTF of the lens is poor, then that would limit the system MTF regardless of how good the sensor is. As far as I gather in terms of 'resolution', the EF lenses, particularly the L lenes, are working just fine on the R5, i.e. as good as on the R mount bodies as on the DSLR camera bodies, if not better.

As for selling organs.....wait for the R1 mark ii .

 

[Birdshooter]

Who wouldn't? While we're at it, I'll take an R3vII for $3k as well!

On another note - I've always lusted after the 1 series cameras. With the R6 performance being what it is, I can't imagine what more a one series could really give me that would make it worth 2-3x the cost. Though I may do one as a mid-life crisis gift to myself anyway . The only two 'limits' I see on the R6 that I might find benefit from removing are 1) stacked sensor and 2) larger battery. A few more MP would be OK, but I could get that from an R5. In fact, if R5vII has a stacked sensor and remains below about 50mp that may be a 'last/forever' camera for me. A battery grip could solve the battery issue. I suspect QPAF could be in the next gen as well, and while DPAF has never really let me down I'm sure there will be an improvement with QPAF. I wouldn't upgrade for just that.

-Brian

How about better autofocus.. that's a biggy.

 

[Birdshooter]

When Canon started to "number" the R series, it seems that define the R7 right under the R6 leaves no room for "low end FF". Thus, I don't think there will be a "direct" R or RP replacements, the R10 and R100 does the "lower end" for R cameras while the R6 is the closest to the "R" replacement in a way. The RP, as "low end FF" has probably filled its place in the camera his

My main concern is not the camera (have the R5 and very happy with it), it is the glass needed for it. Many of the old EF lenses just don't keep with the resolution.. And by the way, I am not going to sell any kidney soon, there are other organs much more appealing (joke)

What EF glass does not hold up?
Every EF lens I have works better than with a DSLR so I wonder what lenses you talk about?

 

[entoman]

Canon please bring it on ASAP.
Then you can concentrate on the more affordable tools
(or bring an RP successor first )

The "RP successor" already exists. It's called the R10.

The RP continues to sell well, but I don't think a FF successor is on the cards.

The R10 is cheaper, better specified and has everything that a budget camera needs.

 

[SnowMiku]

I wonder what the R1 will have to segment itself from the R3? Maybe it will have a global shutter? Does the 1D/R1 market even want high MP or would they prefer around 24MP like the R3? They would have to make sure it doesn't have any freezing issues as reported by several on here with the R5/R3.

 

[Kit.]

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Makes me wonder which camera was the top 1 last week.

The "RP successor" already exists. It's called the R10.

No 24mm-equivalent kit zoom (yet).

 

[SNJ Ops]

Not sure if that is accurate. If we look only at 'resolution', my understanding is that the overall/system (ie. lens plus sensors) MTF is the product of sensor MTF and Lens MTF. So, if the R1 has an even better MTF than the R5, then the EF lens would perform even better on the R1 compared with the R5. Of course, if the MTF of the lens is poor, then that would limit the system MTF regardless of how good the sensor is. As far as I gather in terms of 'resolution', the EF lenses, particularly the L lenes, are working just fine on the R5, i.e. as good as on the R mount bodies as on the DSLR camera bodies, if not better.

As for selling organs.....wait for the R1 mark ii .

I own an A7RIV any weakness that a lens has just gets amplified on 61mp. An older lens can certainly be used on a higher megapixel body but you won’t get the most out of the sensor in terms of fine detail.

 

[bergstrom]

The "RP successor" already exists. It's called the R10.

The RP continues to sell well, but I don't think a FF successor is on the cards.

The R10 is cheaper, better specified and has everything that a budget camera needs.

Breaking news. R10 is secretly FF !

 

[bbasiaga]

How about better autofocus.. that's a biggy.

The hit rate is so high already, I'm not sure what 'better' would look like in this case in order to make a noticeable improvement. I suppose the R3 is faster at tracking and acquisition on account of the stacked sensor. QPAF looms, at least in the rumor-verse, which could improve acquisition in some scenarios.

What are you thinking for improvements?