The New Canon EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM Pancake

[c.d.embrey]

The same message they have sent them all along with minor exceptions in the 17-55 f/2.8 IS and 7D - if you want pro features like dual [CF] cards, weather sealing, durable bodies, etc., you must go full frame and shell out the big bucks.

That's not the message I'm getting. What I'm hearing is that Canon want me to switch to another brand

 

[c.d.embrey]

So you think the lens - with focus on size and price more than features and specs - will anger the people with a 7D ot plans for buying the 7DII?

No, the anger come from the fact that the low-end M line gets a 22mm f/2 lens and xxD and 7D/D2 doesn't.

Why should any "pro" be upset that there is a cheap pancake lens for APS-C?

Why would Canon make a prime lens for a market segment that prefers 18-200mm zooms.

There is no market for an expensive EF-S 24mm f1.4 L or even a less expensive EF-S 24mm f2.8 in my opinion ...

Please re-read what I said. I'm not asking for a 24mm f/1.4 L. Just an ordinary EF-S 22mm f/2. BTW 22mm = 35.2 FF, a few silly millimeters does make a difference at the wide end.

 

[vscd]

I would like to have a 24mm Pancake for the full frame. I really, really, like my 40mm 2.8 STM... and it should be possible as Voigtländer already has something like that in the productline. But the Voigtländer is optically not very good.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I'm not against Canon release new models of lens that does not meet my desire. ??? I'm disappointed that the launch of this EF-S 24mm F2.8, means that Canon will never launch an EF-S 22mm F2. If so hated EOS-M has a great prime F2 lens, why 7D and 70D can not have? Do not tell me that 24mm F1.4 is suitable for APS-C cameras. :-[ :'(

 

[Random Orbits]

The same message they have sent them all along with minor exceptions in the 17-55 f/2.8 IS and 7D - if you want pro features like dual [CF] cards, weather sealing, durable bodies, etc., you must go full frame and shell out the big bucks.

That's not the message I'm getting. What I'm hearing is that Canon want me to switch to another brand

Why is it that the EOS M, a Hello Kitty camera, gets a 22mm f/2 lens and the Semi-Pro EOS 7D get an inferior 24mm f/2.8 lens ??? What message is Canon sending to the Pros who use APS-C cameras ???

Just curious... what brand has a pancake 22 f/2 in a DSLR form factor that you're trying to compare it to?

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Why is it that the EOS M, a Hello Kitty camera, gets a 22mm f/2 lens and the Semi-Pro EOS 7D get an inferior 24mm f/2.8 lens ??? What message is Canon sending to the Pros who use APS-C cameras ???

Just curious... what brand has a pancake 22 f/2 in a DSLR form factor that you're trying to compare it to?

Beyond the Canon EF-M 22mm F2 (does not work on 70D), there is APS-C lens Nikon 35mm F1.8 and Sigma 30mm F1.4 also.
Why not EF-S 22mm F2 ?

 

[Random Orbits]

Just curious... what brand has a pancake 22 f/2 in a DSLR form factor that you're trying to compare it to?

Beyond the Canon EF-M 22mm F2 (does not work on 70D), there is APS-C lens Nikon 35mm F1.8 and Sigma 30mm F1.4 also.
Why not EF-S 22mm F2 ?

Nikon's 35 f/1.8 and Sigma's 30 f/1.4 aren't pancakes. The geometry (flange distance) for the M is different, so the focal length for a pancake is different as well.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Just curious... what brand has a pancake 22 f/2 in a DSLR form factor that you're trying to compare it to?

Beyond the Canon EF-M 22mm F2 (does not work on 70D), there is APS-C lens Nikon 35mm F1.8 and Sigma 30mm F1.4 also.
Why not EF-S 22mm F2 ?

Nikon's 35 f/1.8 and Sigma's 30 f/1.4 aren't pancakes. The geometry (flange distance) for the M is different, so the focal length for a pancake is different as well.

I personally do not want pancakes. ??? I want some fast prime lenses EF-S 20-30mm F1.8 or F2 priced far below the Canon 24mm f1.4 :-\

 

[trulandphoto]

Just curious... what brand has a pancake 22 f/2 in a DSLR form factor that you're trying to compare it to?

Beyond the Canon EF-M 22mm F2 (does not work on 70D), there is APS-C lens Nikon 35mm F1.8 and Sigma 30mm F1.4 also.
Why not EF-S 22mm F2 ?

Nikon's 35 f/1.8 and Sigma's 30 f/1.4 aren't pancakes. The geometry (flange distance) for the M is different, so the focal length for a pancake is different as well.

You can't reason with these folks, it seems. They want everything. Small, fast, cheap, IS, with intelligent composition mode. I'm very close to just abandoning the time I waste on photography forums.

 

[Rocky]

Canon should be given a lot of credit on this lens regardless whether the lens fits our need, desire, expectation and requirement or not. EF-S mount is with flange focal distance of 44mm. Canon comes up with a 24mm lens that is ONLY 22mm thickness with IS. That is quite an optical engineering success. In order to make it small, Canon cannot give us a f 2.0 lens. Some members complain about why the EOS-M can have a 22mm f 2.0 lens. The answer again lies in the flange focal distance. The EOS-M has a flange focal distance of only 17.7mm.
It is a lot easier to design a 22mm f2.0 lens. By the way, this lens does not even has IS. Some member asked for a pancake f 2.0, 24mm EF lens. That is mission impossible.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Canon should be given a lot of credit on this lens regardless whether the lens fits our need, desire, expectation and requirement or not. EF-S mount is with flange focal distance of 44mm. Canon comes up with a 24mm lens that is ONLY 22mm thickness with IS. That is quite an optical engineering success. In order to make it small, Canon cannot give us a f 2.0 lens. Some members complain about why the EOS-M can have a 22mm f 2.0 lens. The answer again lies in the flange focal distance. The EOS-M has a flange focal distance of only 17.7mm.
It is a lot easier to design a 22mm f2.0 lens. By the way, this lens does not even has IS. Some member asked for a pancake f 2.0, 24mm EF lens. That is mission impossible.

You missed because the new EF-S 24mm F2.8 STM has NOT Image Stabilizer.

 

[Groundhog]

No, the anger come from the fact that the low-end M line gets a 22mm f/2 lens and xxD and 7D/D2 doesn't.


Why would Canon make a prime lens for a market segment that prefers 18-200mm zooms.

Please re-read what I said. I'm not asking for a 24mm f/1.4 L. Just an ordinary EF-S 22mm f/2. BTW 22mm = 35.2 FF, a few silly millimeters does make a difference at the wide end.

The M is not low end, it is a different line of cameras ... the 1200D is the low end of the DSLR segment.
Its like saying the low end Powershot G1 X Mk2 gets a 24-120/2.0-3.9 and the 1D X doesn't.

So every APS-C user just wants a superzoom ... damn I did it wrong the whole time

It is just ridiculous to believe there would be a pancake lens faster and cheaper than the EF 20/2.8 or EF 24/2.8
since it would kill all 20-24mm primes in the lineup including the 24L.

In Addition I doubt a EF-S 22mm would be possible with f2.0 as long as the goal is a pancake lens, same with the 40mm f2.8. And if they made it, the lens would be much more expensive (as the 40mm Voigtländer pancake is).

 

[Dylan777]

Mark my w.ords. If Canon releases 18mm or 20mm pancake(same size as 40pancake), I will sell my a7r and FE lenses.

6D and 5D III users will be thrilled. Heck, 1dx owners will be thrilled.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Mark my w.ords. If Canon releases 18mm or 20mm pancake(same size as 40pancake), I will sell my a7r and FE lenses.
6D and 5D III users will be thrilled. Heck, 1dx owners will be thrilled.

Do not get too excited, Dylan. :-\
Probably because of the size, a hypothetical EF 20mm pancake would be F4. :'(
Perhaps a pancake lens EF 18mm would be F5.6... :-X

 

[Rocky]

Canon should be given a lot of credit on this lens regardless whether the lens fits our need, desire, expectation and requirement or not. EF-S mount is with flange focal distance of 44mm. Canon comes up with a 24mm lens that is ONLY 22mm thickness with IS. That is quite an optical engineering success. In order to make it small, Canon cannot give us a f 2.0 lens. Some members complain about why the EOS-M can have a 22mm f 2.0 lens. The answer again lies in the flange focal distance. The EOS-M has a flange focal distance of only 17.7mm.
It is a lot easier to design a 22mm f2.0 lens. By the way, this lens does not even has IS. Some member asked for a pancake f 2.0, 24mm EF lens. That is mission impossible.

You missed because the new EF-S 24mm F2.8 STM has NOT Image Stabilizer.

Thanks for the correction. Even without the IS, the 24mm f 2.8 STM is still an optical engineering sucess

 

[Dylan777]

Mark my w.ords. If Canon releases 18mm or 20mm pancake(same size as 40pancake), I will sell my a7r and FE lenses.
6D and 5D III users will be thrilled. Heck, 1dx owners will be thrilled.

Do not get too excited, Dylan. :-\
Probably because of the size, a hypothetical EF 20mm pancake would be F4. :'(
Perhaps a pancake lens EF 18mm would be F5.6... :-X

I'm not a lens expert. However, 20mm f4 IS would be just fine

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Mark my w.ords. If Canon releases 18mm or 20mm pancake(same size as 40pancake), I will sell my a7r and FE lenses.
6D and 5D III users will be thrilled. Heck, 1dx owners will be thrilled.

Do not get too excited, Dylan. :-\
Probably because of the size, a hypothetical EF 20mm pancake would be F4. :'(
Perhaps a pancake lens EF 18mm would be F5.6... :-X

I'm not a lens expert. However, 20mm f4 IS would be just fine

For full frame cameras a pancake 20mm F4 looks pretty good.
However, for APS-C F2.8 seems to me that is not good enough to replace zoom lenses. :-[ Well, after I got Sigma F1.8 zoom for APS-C, I think prime lenses must be at least F2. :-X

 

[Kmccarthy]

I for one am very happy about this. My old T2i with a 24mm pancake is going to be the perfect light travel kit. (It would be even better on an SL1!) Coupled with my 40mm pancake it will be a very versatile kit.

 

[c.d.embrey]

Why is it that the EOS M, a Hello Kitty camera, gets a 22mm f/2 lens and the Semi-Pro EOS 7D get an inferior 24mm f/2.8 lens ??? What message is Canon sending to the Pros who use APS-C cameras ???

Just curious... what brand has a pancake 22 f/2 in a DSLR form factor that you're trying to compare it to?

When did I ever say I wanted a 22mm f/2 PANCAKE lens ??? I DO NOT WANT a PANCAKE lens, just an ordinary EF-S 22mm f/2 lens.

BTW Pentax makes the HD PENTAX-DA 21mmF3.2AL Limited (a pancake) for their crop cameras. The problem with pancake lenses is you have to make sacrifices to get the small size. Pentax chose IQ over lens speed.

Me, I prefer normal lenses which have both good IQ and a reasonable f/stop.

 

[c.d.embrey]

Canon should be given a lot of credit on this lens regardless whether the lens fits our need, desire, expectation and requirement or not. EF-S mount is with flange focal distance of 44mm. Canon comes up with a 24mm lens that is ONLY 22mm thickness with IS. That is quite an optical engineering success. In order to make it small, Canon cannot give us a f 2.0 lens. Some members complain about why the EOS-M can have a 22mm f 2.0 lens. The answer again lies in the flange focal distance. The EOS-M has a flange focal distance of only 17.7mm.
It is a lot easier to design a 22mm f2.0 lens. By the way, this lens does not even has IS. Some member asked for a pancake f 2.0, 24mm EF lens. That is mission impossible.

I don't want/need small, IS or inexpensive. I just want an ordinary EF-S 22mm f/2. If it were the size of an EF 85mm f/1.8 and sold for $500.00 I'd be happy