The New Canon EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM Pancake

[tat3406]

EF-S 10-18mm IS STM, EF-S 18-55 IS STM, EF-S 24 STM, EF 40 STM (I prefer it on aps-c, so I'll put it in the same category). That's some serious APS-C support going for Canon, at least in the resolution and price department. If you've got a tripod and an off camera flash, I see no reason going to Nikon for aps-c other than its sensors (who gives a S___ about a good sensor with shitty dedicated-for-crop lenses).

dont forget the efs 55-250 IS STM and 18-135 IS STM, now the STM budget lens lineup is very interesting.

 

[Random Orbits]

Why is it that the EOS M, a Hello Kitty camera, gets a 22mm f/2 lens and the Semi-Pro EOS 7D get an inferior 24mm f/2.8 lens ??? What message is Canon sending to the Pros who use APS-C cameras ???

Just curious... what brand has a pancake 22 f/2 in a DSLR form factor that you're trying to compare it to?

When did I ever say I wanted a 22mm f/2 PANCAKE lens ??? I DO NOT WANT a PANCAKE lens, just an ordinary EF-S 22mm f/2 lens.

BTW Pentax makes the HD PENTAX-DA 21mmF3.2AL Limited (a pancake) for their crop cameras. The problem with pancake lenses is you have to make sacrifices to get the small size. Pentax chose IQ over lens speed.

Me, I prefer normal lenses which have both good IQ and a reasonable f/stop.

OK, my bad, I conflated your and ajfotofilmagem's posts. I assumed you wanted a pancake 22 f/2 because this is a pancake ef-s thread and you were referring to the M pancake.

Maybe Canon will surprise us with more EF-S prime lenses... After all, how many were clamoring for a 24 f/2.8 pancake?

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

It seems the problem here is that most don't want pancake lenses. What I see a demand for is Ef-s primes with fast apertures and not that much emphasis on size.

 

[dufflover]

Sounds good; hopefully at the same bargain price as the other cheapie primes and a decent EF-S design; I'm a little worried about the corners and vignetting, but that said I don't have any major complaints about the EF-M 22mm which is APS-C purpose designed too. Well one, which is they could've put on a thinner front/end caps cos it bulges quite a bit lol.

As for the whole FL I thought it was the shape/size that determined the FL more than anything. Something I read about the flange distance determined the approx FL range a pancake sized lens could take.

 

[pwp]

It seems the problem here is that most don't want pancake lenses. What I see a demand for is Ef-s primes with fast apertures and not that much emphasis on size.

That doesn't explain why the 40mm has a place not just in a lot of photographers bags, but in their hearts too.
Is there another Canon lens that has a nick-name: the Shorty McForty ? It's been a very big seller.

When I don't feel like lugging around a 5D3 or a 1-Series body with usually heavy glass, the 24mm pancake bolted onto my travel/walkabout SL-1 is a very appealing concept.

It may not be on your shopping list, but let's watch...if the price is right this lens will absolutely sell its socks off.

-pw

 

[paulc]

It doesn't look like it protrudes all that far past the mount. I have to wonder how large that image circle really is because someone's going to try that on a full frame.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Why is it that the EOS M, a Hello Kitty camera, gets a 22mm f/2 lens and the Semi-Pro EOS 7D get an inferior 24mm f/2.8 lens ??? What message is Canon sending to the Pros who use APS-C cameras ???

Just curious... what brand has a pancake 22 f/2 in a DSLR form factor that you're trying to compare it to?

When did I ever say I wanted a 22mm f/2 PANCAKE lens ??? I DO NOT WANT a PANCAKE lens, just an ordinary EF-S 22mm f/2 lens.
BTW Pentax makes the HD PENTAX-DA 21mmF3.2AL Limited (a pancake) for their crop cameras. The problem with pancake lenses is you have to make sacrifices to get the small size. Pentax chose IQ over lens speed.
Me, I prefer normal lenses which have both good IQ and a reasonable f/stop.

OK, my bad, I conflated your and ajfotofilmagem's posts. I assumed you wanted a pancake 22 f/2 because this is a pancake ef-s thread and you were referring to the M pancake.
Maybe Canon will surprise us with more EF-S prime lenses... After all, how many were clamoring for a 24 f/2.8 pancake?

If you reread my posts, you'll notice that I never asked for a pancake EF-S. I used the example of the EF-M 22mm F2 to prove that there is demand for fast EF-S primes. After that I quoted Nikon DX 35mm F1.8 and 30mm F1.4 Sigma DC.

I say again that I am not against Canon release lenses that do not meet my desire. The sad part is that the launch of an EF-S 24mm F2.8 means that Canon will never launch an EF-S 22mm F2. :-[ :'(

 

[Khalai]

It doesn't look like it protrudes all that far past the mount. I have to wonder how large that image circle really is because someone's going to try that on a full frame.

I would worry about mirror collision on FF. But let's wait for some bold adventurers, who will modify that lens and try it

 

[Random Orbits]

If you reread my posts, you'll notice that I never asked for a pancake EF-S. I used the example of the EF-M 22mm F2 to prove that there is demand for fast EF-S primes. After that I quoted Nikon DX 35mm F1.8 and 30mm F1.4 Sigma DC.

I say again that I am not against Canon release lenses that do not meet my desire. The sad part is that the launch of an EF-S 24mm F2.8 means that Canon will never launch an EF-S 22mm F2. :-[ :'(

OK, I understand now. It is just that this IS a pancake thread, and the first lens you cite as an example IS a pancake.

 

[vscd]

I'm disappointed that the launch of this EF-S 24mm F2.8, means that Canon will never launch an EF-S 22mm F2. If so hated EOS-M has a great prime F2 lens, why 7D and 70D can not have?

The EOS-M has a smaller focal flange. You can't compare the EF-S with the EF-M bayonett. Even not with the same sensorsizes. To greate a Wide Angle on a fullframe-bayonett like the EF-S (yes, it's still the same distance as from the fullframe-EF), you need a *lot* more complex lensdesigns.

Btw.. I would buy a good 24mm f4 pancake. Why not? Ok, the viewfinder ist a little bit dark, but so the finder of a 70-200f4 L IS is... I don't need a shallow DOF on wideangles. There is none below f1.4

 

[DRR]

It seems the problem here is that most don't want pancake lenses. What I see a demand for is Ef-s primes with fast apertures and not that much emphasis on size.

Isn't the advantage of EF-S that lenses can be designed to be smaller?

What is the point of EF-S primes, why not just use EF primes, if size is not a consideration?

 

[Rocky]

It seems the problem here is that most don't want pancake lenses. What I see a demand for is Ef-s primes with fast apertures and not that much emphasis on size.

Isn't the advantage of EF-S that lenses can be designed to be smaller?

What is the point of EF-S primes, why not just use EF primes, if size is not a consideration?

Due to the smaller image size and the shorter flange distance, a shorter focal length(35 or shorter) EF-S prime makes sense: easier to deign, optimize for APS-C picture area, smaller size ( not necessarily a "pencake")

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

It seems the problem here is that most don't want pancake lenses. What I see a demand for is Ef-s primes with fast apertures and not that much emphasis on size.

Isn't the advantage of EF-S that lenses can be designed to be smaller?
What is the point of EF-S primes, why not just use EF primes, if size is not a consideration?

Due to the smaller image size and the shorter flange distance, a shorter focal length(35 or shorter) EF-S prime makes sense: easier to deign, optimize for APS-C picture area, smaller size ( not necessarily a "pencake")

Dear friends. Let's imagine three different lenses:

EF 22mm F2 (hypothetical would weigh 500 grams)
EF-S 22mm F2 (hypothetical would weigh 250 grams)
EF-M 22mm F2 (actually exists and weighs 105 grams)

The only lens that actually exists today is the EF-M, which has great picture quality and low price.
You do not miss prime lens fast and lighter, and less price that Canon 24mm F1.4L, to accompany the camera 7D and 70D?
If there EF-S 22mm F2, or 24mm F1.8 costing $ 400 would you buy?

 

[Random Orbits]

Dear friends. Let's imagine three different lenses:

EF 22mm F2 (hypothetical would weigh 500 grams)
EF-S 22mm F2 (hypothetical would weigh 250 grams)
EF-M 22mm F2 (actually exists and weighs 105 grams)

The only lens that actually exists today is the EF-M, which has great picture quality and low price.
You do not miss prime lens fast and lighter, and less price that Canon 24mm F1.4L, to accompany the camera 7D and 70D?
If there EF-S 22mm F2, or 24mm F1.8 costing $ 400 would you buy?

I'd be interested in an EF 24 f/1.8, but there is no way that it would cost 400. The 28 f/1.8 costs 500+, and the 24 f/2.8 IS and 35 f/2 IS are 600. 600-700 is more likely with an initial price higher than 800.

 

[vscd]

It seems the problem here is that most don't want pancake lenses. What I see a demand for is Ef-s primes with fast apertures and not that much emphasis on size.

Wow. What you can see is immense. I think the opposite. Suprised? There is a lot of demand on the 40mm 2.8 STM, I own one by myself and I'm always surprised what this small thingy can do. At the moment this lens is nearly always on my cam.

So, if someone travels around with a smaller APS-C the 40STM or 24STM could cover most of the needs...

Where is the demand on fast primes on APS-C? There already are fast primes in this focallength-range like the 35mm 1.4L or 24 1.4L. I just don't think that you're willing to pay the prices...

One small tip at the end, maybe you don't know. There are a lot of primes in your range... for example the EF 20mm f2.8 or the really fast EF 28mm 1.8. They're comparable cheap and still to get.

I say again that I am not against Canon release lenses that do not meet my desire. The sad part is that the launch of an EF-S 24mm F2.8 means that Canon will never launch an EF-S 22mm F2. :-[ :'(

They have a 24mm 1.4! What about this one?

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

It seems the problem here is that most don't want pancake lenses. What I see a demand for is Ef-s primes with fast apertures and not that much emphasis on size.

Wow. What you can see is immense. I think the opposite. Suprised? There is a lot of demand on the 40mm 2.8 STM, I own one by myself and I'm always surprised what this small thingy can do. At the moment this lens is nearly always on my cam.
So, if someone travels around with a smaller APS-C the 40STM or 24STM could cover most of the needs...
Where is the demand on fast primes on APS-C? There already are fast primes in this focallength-range like the 35mm 1.4L or 24 1.4L. I just don't think that you're willing to pay the prices...
One small tip at the end, maybe you don't know. There are a lot of primes in your range... for example the EF 20mm f2.8 or the really fast EF 28mm 1.8. They're comparable cheap and still to get.

I say again that I am not against Canon release lenses that do not meet my desire. The sad part is that the launch of an EF-S 24mm F2.8 means that Canon will never launch an EF-S 22mm F2. :-[ :'(

They have a 24mm 1.4! What about this one?

You are joking that Canon 24mm F1.4 is a prime lens suitable for 70D? ???
About Canon 28mm F1.8, it has terrible contrast and sharpness on APS-C cameras with larger than 8-megapixel resolution.

 

[vscd]

You are joking that Canon 24mm F1.4 is a prime lens suitable for 70D?

No, why should I? The 24mm L is not that big and a fantastic lens. It's at least not much bigger than any shitty Kitzoom-lens. What else do you want? It gives you a great 38mm equivalent with a Depth of Field equiv to f2.2...

I just think you want to get such a lens for cheap 250$. You won't...

 

[Sella174]

Now, although Canon may not have listened to me personally, it's nice to know that they are finally starting to do what I've been saying for years ... EF-S primes! Really makes you wonder what other great recommendations I have to offer them.

 

[AvTvM]

it really should have been a EF-22/2.0 STM pancake. Not EF-S. Not 24mm. Not f/2.8.

 

[Helios68]

it really should have been a EF-22/2.0 STM pancake. Not EF-S. Not 24mm. Not f/2.8.

I agree with your point of view and I would even go further.
It would have been nice for low light purpose (use in a church for example) to have EF 20mm f/1.8 STM. It would be interesting for both APS-C and FF