The Next DSLR from Canon Will Be....

[Nininini]

I only really care for two thing

-1080p @ 60FPS

-lighter / smaller

The 70D is really a beast of a camera already. The AF is great, battery life is great, viewfinder is great, 3x lossless zoom is great, weather sealed..it is already great.

 

[Nininini]

With prices dropping on the 7D MK II, Canon will need to make a 80D pretty special to cause people to pay $900 or $1000 for it when they can get a gray market 7D MK II for near that price.

You can always make these arguments.

The 750D (T6i) is only a bit cheaper than the 760D (T6S).
The 760D (T6S) is only a bit cheaper than the 70D.
The 70D is only a bit cheaper than the 7D MKII.
The 6D.....

You're going to be walking out the store with a 1DX like that.

 

[Analogphoto]

Having an APS-C body right now, I'm impatiently waiting for an updated 6D.

Grown up using wet film and field of depth depending on aperture, the APS-C just doesn't cut it for me. Good for family mementoes and such, in my personal way of thinking, but that's about it.

Please Canon, end my wait!

 

[Nininini]

I don't do video (yet) but I agree with all that. I'm not interested in heavy bricks like the 7D2 (as heavy as a FF camera!). I really want a tilt screen, a good viewfinder and reliable AF (which is questionable with the 70D) and up-to-date sensor with good low ISO DR (looks like this is still more than 1 year off with Canon). I would pay extra money for an extra small/light AND capable body.

If the 760D / T6S had a pentaprism and minimum shutter speed option, it would be perfect.

If the 80D isn't lighter and smaller, I will probably go to a 760D from a 70D.

Yes, it's not an upgrade, it's probably a slight downgrade, but I really want a lighter body. (and no I'm not going mirrorless lol).

The SL1 is ok, but I hate the grip lol. The grip is rouned and closed on the top, which means you can't carry it by your fingers well when holding it next to your body. The SL1 is also missing the 3x zoom function during video.

 

[Nininini]

Having an APS-C body right now, I'm impatiently waiting for an updated 6D.

Grown up using wet film and field of depth depending on aperture, the APS-C just doesn't cut it for me. Good for family mementoes and such, in my personal way of thinking, but that's about it.

Please Canon, end my wait!

I used to use a full frame, but I went to a 70D because of the size and weight.

The only thing I really miss from a full frame is the size and brightness of the viewfinder.

I really don't understand why Canikon keep using pentamirror in their rebel lines. Pentax manages to put a pentaprism in the super cheapo K50. I don't think pentaprisms are actually that expensive.

I hate how Canon keeps nerfing things for their APS-C bodies. The 80D better be doing 60fps @ 1080P lol.

 

[whatta]

Probably the 80D gets 8fps and the 5Dmk3 AF system. And maybe a f8 central focus point. And the 750/760d sensor. And maybe but probably not, 4K video. And dual card slots.

750/760d do not have dual pixel af, so not likely. I am interested in the 80d, but doubt we will see a competitive sensor in terms of noise and DR. I wish it would be smaller and lighter. Difficult to understand that a better camera has to be bigger and heavier (which means I bring it with myself less, so I use it less). 80d features packed into 100d body?

if the sony a6100 can use well (with AF) my canon lenses, I might jump. good sensor, good size, probably good evf, maybe in body stabilization etc..

 

[whatta]

The only thing I really miss from a full frame is the size and brightness of the viewfinder.

I really don't understand why Canikon keep using pentamirror in their rebel lines. Pentax manages to put a pentaprism in the super cheapo K50. I don't think pentaprisms are actually that expensive.

yep, same here, the pentamirror is quite bad (same in my 400d and 760d, so no improvement over the years). good pentaprism or good evf pls also for rebels.

one more thing. I don't understand why an iphone can do things, a dedicated camera body costing the same cannot.
4K, 240fps video, 15fps still.

 

[Nininini]

one more thing. I don't understand why an iphone can do things, a dedicated camera body costing the same cannot.
4K, 240fps video, 15fps still.

I think I know. The larger the sensor the more heat the camera produces.

The proof of this:

-Canon said so in an interview, lol
-Sony full frame are known to overheat and shut down during 4k video
-Nikon is limiting 4k video to 3 minute clips on the D5, my guess is heating issues
-Nikon their cheaper and smaller sensor APS-C D500....doesn't have this 3 minute limit
-Canon uses heatsinks in large DSLR
-Canon is using Motion JPG instead of h.264 for 4k in their 1DX Mk. II, my guess is less compression -> less heat


-Another major problem is those high-end bodies are weather sealed. Which doesn't allow the heat to escape.


SO......Canon has issues putting 4k in full frame.

BUT...they can most definitely put it in APS-C and especially rebel lines. Smaller sensor, no weather sealing.



BUT....they don't want to. Imagine an SL1 getting 4k while the $4000 full frame doesn't have it.


So, they are trying to work around the 4k issues on full frame, trying to get around the heat, before the APS-C will get 4k. But meanwhile, iPhones and Panasonics, are probably stealing users who might have bought a Rebel.



All those smartphones have small sensors producing little to no heat, so 4k isn't a problem.

The problems are all down to heat, not processing power, a $10 mediatek chip can encode 4k in realtime nowadays.

 

[whatta]

one more thing. I don't understand why an iphone can do things, a dedicated camera body costing the same cannot.
4K, 240fps video, 15fps still.

I think I know. The larger the sensor the more heat the camera produces.
SO......Canon has issues putting 4k in full frame.

BUT...they can most definitely put it in APS-C and especially rebel lines. Smaller sensor, no weather sealing.
BUT....they don't want to. Imagine an SL1 getting 4k while the $4000 full frame doesn't have it.

thanks for your answer
Personally I don't care about 4k (yet), but high fps yes. Same problem you think? 15 fps still without focus (so no mirror) would be nice.

 

[Berty Rampkin]

Apart from the apple like minor upgrades, focus peaking, zebra etc, would probably make it a worthy successor to the 70d. A few more focus point, a built in GPS, maybe a mega pixel or two increase is just getting boring. Chopping and changing the same thing in different cameras is getting a bit boring.

80d -
few More megapixel
few more fps
same low light performance
enhanced video features
maybe 120fps? super slow mo
DPAF
Touch Screen

 

[whatta]

Apart from the apple like minor upgrades, focus peaking, zebra etc, would probably make it a worthy successor to the 70d. A few more focus point, a built in GPS, maybe a mega pixel or two increase is just getting boring. Chopping and changing the same thing in different cameras is getting a bit boring.

gps is indeed a good point. sometimes I "retake" a photo with my phone just to have the coordinates.

 

[Nininini]

Personally I don't care about 4k (yet), but high fps yes. Same problem you think?

Yes, I think so. There is no technical reason why rebels couldn't shoot in 60FPS or even 120FPS at full HD. They use relatively small sensors and none of them are weather sealed, so the heat leaves the camera body quickly.

But high end weather sealed bodies with large full frame sensors don't have a way to properly get rid of heat. And until they do, Canon will nerf APS-C to protect their full frame bodies.

Or...until people get pissed off enough that their smarphone is shooting 240FPS while their $600 rebel is stuck on 30FPS.


A good example of a company not having to protect a full frame line is Panasonic. Their micro 4/3 cameras, with a sensor comparable to APS-C, are shooting 4k and 60FPS HD. They don't need to nerf their crop bodies to protect full frame, they have no full frame.

 

[shutterlag]

"We don't expect anything too revolutionary like 4k video."

Wha????

My wife's 2 year old Sony smartphone has 4k video.

 

[arcer]

It would be interesting to see how Canon will position the 80D with the 760D oddball and the 7D2 having lower prices in most places(Sorry, guys in the EU).

Maybe the 80D will come out with lower initial price compared with the 70D at start due to the weaker yen and econ stuff, but still having some goodies better than the 7D2.
I expect the MP increase to at least 24MP like the new rebels with newer DPAF tech and gapless microlens, bringing better resolution than the 7D2 and the rebels.
More AF points with a new AF sensor design to differentiate from the rebel line but not cutting into the pro line.
1080p 60fps but still no clean HDMI out due to Canon's logic of tiers.
Would like to see dual slots as that means that 6D2 might get dual slots too......hopefully.

Moreover, I look forward to a firmware update to the 7D2 unlocking some of its locked potential, maybe 720p 120fps? The screen was a touchscreen all along!?? http://canonrumors.com/forum/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif
But looking back in history, the 7D got its V2 firmware more than one year after the 60D was released.

Personally thou, I would like to get the 7D2 for my sports photography and clumsiness, but the 80D with the articulating touchscreen is enticing for college video work. Or I can always learn to become a contortionist to take video with my 7D2. haha....

 

[sigh]

"We don't expect anything too revolutionary like 4k video."

Wha????

My wife's 2 year old Sony smartphone has 4k video.

Except that smartphone sensors are tiny. As I understand it - and someone can correct me if I'm wrong - the larger the sensor, the more processing power is required. A larger sensor also produces more heat, so you need to have an effective method for managing that.

 

[ashmadux]

Looking for this one. LOVE the 70d's usability...except that wonky AF (non live view) that seems to have paid the price for a having a utterly awesome AF tracking system. The 7D's old AF system...I suspect..is suspect. Allegedly.

Some more updated features will make this an easy buy.

Come on canon...make it happen.

AF tracking system with active focus point display in Servo mode is pretty good . I also noticed those not so in focus pics with far subject and f2.8. I am going to call Canon and see if they can fix it.

Good luck with that one. I still remember the joy of of testing/using that body - before- sending it back (totally busted Af on a canon refurb though). It was practically even easier to use than the 7d body that i used to love.

I bought a grip for it, which remains right here in a box - too cheap to sell

Get those lenses checked too....i had a few 50mm 's (tested, sent back) that simply would not focus at a distance or infinity, no matter what i did. 2 of those junkers was...canon refurbs- which i no longer trust by the way.

Happy shooting

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Will it be DIGIC 6 or DIGIC 6+?

The 70D is DIGIC 5 but with the 1DXII, Canon leapfrogged DIGIC 6 and went straight to DIGIC 6+.

The only case where Canon have continued with older DIGIC chips has been the EOS 1x00D line.

If the 80D is DIGIC 6+ what does that mean for the rest of the camera?

I'd be willing to bet that it would therefore include 4K, for starters.

Also, after Canon delivered 1080p in the 5D Mark II, 1080p was in all DSLRs from Canon except the 1x00D line.

4K is the "new normal video" feature now.

Canon 70D has Digic 5+.
If 80D has more megapixel or video 4K 30P, should need Digic 6.

4K with poor codec is now commonplace. But 4K with high quality compression, is something that Sony and Nikon do not provide in their photo cameras.

 

[Berty Rampkin]

Apart from the apple like minor upgrades, focus peaking, zebra etc, would probably make it a worthy successor to the 70d. A few more focus point, a built in GPS, maybe a mega pixel or two increase is just getting boring. Chopping and changing the same thing in different cameras is getting a bit boring.

gps is indeed a good point. sometimes I "retake" a photo with my phone just to have the coordinates.

buts its still just a chop and change of a feature, give it x,y,z take away a b and a little of C. Nothing that makes a wow, canon have done it for far too long. Most recent uplift I think was the DPAF and 50mpx. Just need something that spells WOW. Nikon seem to have smashed it with the d750. Canon need a match for that

 

[bbb34]

As I understand it - and someone can correct me if I'm wrong - the larger the sensor, the more processing power is required. A larger sensor also produces more heat, so you need to have an effective method for managing that.

Disagree - processing power scales with the number of pixels, the color depth, the frame rate, and the complexity of algorithms. Sensor size has a strong impact on many parameters, but not on processing power.

 

[Nininini]

Sensor size has a large effect on heat during video, and it's an issue with DSLR, especially full frame. From an interview with Canon’s Masaya Maeda:

What is actually generating this heat, I'm not so sure....Canon has said "the sensor" in an interview if I remember correctly. The sensor isn't very specific of course.

It can't be the 4k encoder, even small ARM chips in smartphones can encode 4k without generating much heat.

Another problem is the weather sealing of course, it's blocking the heat from escaping.