The Next DSLR from Canon Will Be...

[keriboi]

Wasnt the 5DS getting a small upgrade soon?

 

[lloyd709]

We're hoping for some new 5D IV's because both of our III's are well above the 100k mark. Some decisions might have to be made soon if they don't!

They are still brand new - I'm pushing 400K and still on the original shutter - I can only think that's because I always shoot in silent mode and there are less vibrations.

 

[privatebydesign]

....... able to take pictures.

....... unavailable with the DR/Wifi/NFC/MP/twin card slots/4K/AF point linked spot metering/etc etc needed to keep it competitive, so Canon are doomed and would be better off not releasing another new camera.

 

[DigiAngel]

Money is put aside for the 5D IV, however i dont think they will put anything inside that will make it a must have update over my 5D3, so i most probably will keep it until the shutter dies. I prefer to spend my money on a full frame mirrorless instead and use them both side by side...but at canons speed i guess the shutter dies first before that happens*

*the shutter of the 5D IV that is :

 

[et31]

C500 Mark II, come on down!!....for $25K

...let me guess....The 1Dc Mark II will come out at a ridiculous price too (same body and specs as the 1Dx Mark II), but with 2 "new" unlocked features for video.

 

[ecka]

I agree with CR, a 6D2 release before the 5D4 isn't likely.

BUT...Canon doesn't have to keep things in order. A 6D2 release makes the most sense, as it is supposed to appeal to enthusiasts. In the pro realm, pros aren't so quick to want to upgrade and are less demanding of bells and whistles than enthusiasts. That, and in my opinion, Canon is weaker in that price point area than Nikon.

Heck, I know about 5 wedding/event shooters in my area still running a 5D2 with no plans to upgrade till the shutter breaks. If it works, it works. It isn't holding them back to produce great prints and albums. This isn't pixel peeping Internet nitpicking madness. It's business. They will probably pick up a dirt cheap 5D3 when the 5D4 comes out, and then run that for the next 6 years.

What's bothering me about the 6D2, is that Canon may not put a new sensor in it. Looks like 1DX2 got the improved (2nd gen.) 6D sensor with Dual Pixel & all ... and I doubt that Canon will put it into 6D2. Maybe 6D2 and 5D4 will share the same higher res sensor... while 5D4 would get a better CPU, more FPS (like 8 ), 4K@60p, better new AF system (putting the old one into 6D2 should work ), *CF cards, etc.

*I wonder, now that they've decided to put CFast+CF into 1DX2, what will the 5D4 get? Same old CF+SD mixture? CFast+CF? CFast+SD? All three of them (one of each)? Technically it could be 1 CFast + 2 SD, because they'll have to drop the old CF standard at some point anyway.

6D sensor was very close to 1Dx sensor. Why not do the same with version II cameras ?

6D and 1DX got entirely different sensors with different resolution and ISO range.

 

[Etienne]

Money is put aside for the 5D IV, however i dont think they will put anything inside that will make it a must have update over my 5D3, so i most probably will keep it until the shutter dies. I prefer to spend my money on a full frame mirrorless instead and use them both side by side...but at canons speed i guess the shutter dies first before that happens*

*the shutter of the 5D IV that is :

I usually upgrade, but I'll keep my 5D3 unless the 5D4 has at least: DPAF with touch-to-focus touchscreen, 4K, and 120fps 1080p. I'd like IBIS, GPS, Wifi, Wireless flash control, a boost in DR and high ISO performance, and a whole lot more too.

Bottom line is my 5D3 is already great for photography, but it needs a boost in video capabilities in order to function as a jack of all trades camera today.

 

[AdjustedInCamera]

....... able to take pictures.

....... unavailable with the DR/Wifi/NFC/MP/twin card slots/4K/AF point linked spot metering/etc etc needed to keep it competitive, so Canon are doomed and would be better off not releasing another new camera.

You forgot to mention the fully articulated touch-screen and GPS.

Also, could we have iPhone pairing so that we can run Magic Lantern apps on the camera for focus peeking etc..

And I'm not even joking.

Have we missed anything?

 

[PureClassA]

5D4 and 1DX2 don't canniblaize one another. Different markets altogether for the most part, so I don't know why anyone would wait for one over the other. 5D4 before 6D2 would be the most likely direction. So far as sensor tech, yes the 1DX2 new process of building the ADC on the sensor will be in the 5D4 almost certainly. That's not a process that is cheaply changed and Canon won't just use all those resources on a DX body. Plus, Maeda said that going forward (pre 1DX2 release) that ON sensor ADC would effectively be the norm for DSLR bodies. I'm sure the 6D2 will see it as well with very similar sensor to the 1DX (20MP) but without DPAF and only 5fps and maybe 19-24AF points.

The only real question in my mind is whether or not the 5D4 gets a DPAF boost. If Canon wants it to maintain its video prowess, that seems like a given. I can only assume that Canon has managed to make DPAF production more efficient than before. A DPAF sensor or 24-28MP with on sensor ADC and 7-8fps with a Digic 6+ or perhaps Digic 7 and 4k would be one hell of a well rounded machine for pros. This is of course assuming Canon doesn't go the line-spit route and do everything I just said without 4k + DPAF and then make a dedicated 5DC, lower MP count, with 4K, 5fps, DPAF etc... but with a nicer codec like C-Log. If that happens, The C300II gets a little price drop and maybe we see a C100III with 4k and all the cinema bells and whistles for $5-6k. Thought spaghetti ;-)

 

[geonix]

…. we don’t know.</p>
<We don’t think Photokina in September is when the camera will be announced either.
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So why do you think the 5D IV will not be announced at photokina?

 

[PureClassA]

…. we don’t know.</p>
<We don’t think Photokina in September is when the camera will be announced either.
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So why do you think the 5D IV will not be announced at photokina?

Not going to speak for CR, but I'd personally think September is too far away. They would want to have a 5D4 announced and RELEASED in time before the fall wedding season really gets kicked up. I wouldn't be surprised if it went like the 5D3/1DX timeline from 4 years ago where it gets announced AND released the same time as the 1DX2.

 

[Maui5150]

Never too early to announce the 1Dx MK III

 

[beardsquad]

I agree with CR, a 6D2 release before the 5D4 isn't likely.

BUT...Canon doesn't have to keep things in order. A 6D2 release makes the most sense, as it is supposed to appeal to enthusiasts. In the pro realm, pros aren't so quick to want to upgrade and are less demanding of bells and whistles than enthusiasts. That, and in my opinion, Canon is weaker in that price point area than Nikon.

Heck, I know about 5 wedding/event shooters in my area still running a 5D2 with no plans to upgrade till the shutter breaks. If it works, it works. It isn't holding them back to produce great prints and albums. This isn't pixel peeping Internet nitpicking madness. It's business. They will probably pick up a dirt cheap 5D3 when the 5D4 comes out, and then run that for the next 6 years.

What's bothering me about the 6D2, is that Canon may not put a new sensor in it. Looks like 1DX2 got the improved (2nd gen.) 6D sensor with Dual Pixel & all ... and I doubt that Canon will put it into 6D2. Maybe 6D2 and 5D4 will share the same higher res sensor... while 5D4 would get a better CPU, more FPS (like 8 ), 4K@60p, better new AF system (putting the old one into 6D2 should work ), *CF cards, etc.

*I wonder, now that they've decided to put CFast+CF into 1DX2, what will the 5D4 get? Same old CF+SD mixture? CFast+CF? CFast+SD? All three of them (one of each)? Technically it could be 1 CFast + 2 SD, because they'll have to drop the old CF standard at some point anyway.

There will need to be a CFast if they're sticking to MJPEG for 4K. The 1DC uses MJPEG, and now the 1DX II does, so nothing indicates that it will be H.264 for the 5DIV.

 

[et31]

Never too early to announce the 1Dx MK III

I wholeheartedly agree!! 2020 can't arrive any sooner unfortunately!

 

[RGF]

…. we don’t know.</p>
<We don’t think Photokina in September is when the camera will be announced either.
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

So why do you think the 5D IV will not be announced at photokina?

Not going to speak for CR, but I'd personally think September is too far away. They would want to have a 5D4 announced and RELEASED in time before the fall wedding season really gets kicked up. I wouldn't be surprised if it went like the 5D3/1DX timeline from 4 years ago where it gets announced AND released the same time as the 1DX2.

I suspect that there will be a 3-4 month delay between the two products. That is 3-4 months after the introduction of the 1Dx M2 and the announcement of the 5DM4 (last time there was 6 months between announcements). Wait another 6 months or so for the 6D M2.

The 1DX was announced 18 Oct 2011 and shipped in July 2012. The 5D M3 was announced 2 March 2012, not sure about 1st shipments.

 

[Nininini]

the next camera will either be
-5D M4
-SL2
-6D M2

those are the cameras that haven't been updated in years.

All 3 are still using Digic 5.


Another range that is incredibly outdated, and the only range still using Digic 4, is the 1200D. But ironically that camera is more recent, they just gave it an outdated sensor and processor, for no reason.

 

[Nininini]

For what it's worth, Canon tends to release around 2.5 new cameras per years.

They have met that goal with the 80D and 1DX II.

But, realistically, you would expect them to release more and faster. Canon is competing against smartphones, like it or not, since the introduction of the iPhone, sales of dedicated cameras have been tanking like crazy.

Canon is put into a position where they will be forced to release cameras faster.

Smartphones are getting 4k, IS (iphone), sensor shift and IS (oppo), dual Pixel AF (new samsung), ... they will get optical zoom too, it's just a matter of time at this point.

The update cycle of smartphone is relentless, these devices have had 4k and 240fps for years now. Canon will have to update faster to prevent losing even more marketshare.

 

[pwp]

We're hoping for some new 5D IV's because both of our III's are well above the 100k mark. Some decisions might have to be made soon if they don't!

2017 for the 5DIV? I'm sure not holding my breath.

My 5DIII is on it's third shutter. They've been lasting on average around 130,000. Somewhat disappointing, but it's not a big spend to have replaced at CPS. More the inconvenience. Luckily I'm 15 minutes drive from our CPS. Still cheaper than an un-bustable 1DX.

My 5D Classic which I gave to an assistant had close to 500k clicks on it and apparently it's still going....all original. Go figure...

-pw

 

[pwp]

For what it's worth, Canon tends to release around 2.5 new cameras per year.
They have met that goal with the 80D and 1DX II.

Maybe the .5 will be the tiny SL2!

-pw

 

[jebrady03]

For what it's worth, Canon tends to release around 2.5 new cameras per year.
They have met that goal with the 80D and 1DX II.

Maybe the .5 will be the tiny SL2!

-pw

HAHA! Well done!