There Will Be a New EOS M Camera Coming in 2016 [CR2]

[okaro]

Re: There Will Be a New EOS M Camera Coming in 2016

I see a couple of other things happening eventually with the M lineup, when is the unknown. It hit me when I bought the SL1 and it's EF-S counterpart lenses... Which I may be returning shortly

EF-S lineup has it's own "trinity" 10-18, 18-55, 55-250.
EF has it's trinity, 11-24, 24-70, 70-200.

The EF-M does not.

It makes no sense to copy systems from one format to another. There is 11-22 mm, it is long enough to work as a general lens, not just as an extreme wide angle. With mirrorless it is good to travel light i.e. carry only 1-2 lenses.

 

[transpo1]

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Gee, it would be nice to have 4K video in a Canon mirrorless camera...if I had that, then I wouldn't need to buy a $3500 5DIV...oh, wait, right.

 

[Dylan777]

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I've been shooting with mirrorless last couple years. I found built-in EVF is very helpful. Would love to see this combo in near future - flip screen verticle & Horizontal position, joystick to move AF points and pop-up EVF

 

[Alastair Norcross]

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EF-S lineup has it's own "trinity" 10-18, 18-55, 55-250.
EF has it's trinity, 11-24, 24-70, 70-200.

The EF-M does not.

How could you even say that? They have the 11-22, 18-55 and 55-200

They do, but there is no "gap-lass" continuity of focals like the other trinities.

Also with all the patents they've cranked out, after, the release of said lenses, Canon is obviously considering, or even working on an upgrade to these lenses.

Think about it, if you could go wider, than 10mm on a APS-C, say 9mm, that's juicy. It puts a wedge between you and your competition, say Sony which only goes to 10mm on their E mount. Ditto for their 55-210 E mount. Go to 300mm, and now you have a wider Ultrawide native, and a longer, telephoto zoom. Yes, they have a trinity now, but it A. Doesn't overlap and B. could use improvement. The 11-22 is an EXCELLENT lens optically, don't hear what I'm not saying, but I'd take another 2mm in a heartbeat. Likewise on the 55-200, I'd take another 100mm in a heartbeat... Even at some expensive optically.

What is so special about a "gapless" continuity? The EF-M trinity has a slight overlap between the 11-22 and 18-55. Is there a problem with that? Neither small gaps nor small overlaps matter, unless you have OCD.

 

[neuroanatomist]

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EF-S lineup has it's own "trinity" 10-18, 18-55, 55-250.
EF has it's trinity, 11-24, 24-70, 70-200.

The EF-M does not.

How could you even say that? They have the 11-22, 18-55 and 55-200

They do, but there is no "gap-lass" continuity of focals like the other trinities.

gap /ɡap/ noun 2. an unfilled space or interval; a break in continuity.

Please explain how there's a gap in the 11-22, 18-55 and 55-200 range. ???

 

[CaptureWhatYouSee]

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EF-S lineup has it's own "trinity" 10-18, 18-55, 55-250.
EF has it's trinity, 11-24, 24-70, 70-200.

The EF-M does not.

How could you even say that? They have the 11-22, 18-55 and 55-200

They do, but there is no "gap-lass" continuity of focals like the other trinities.

gap /ɡap/ noun 2. an unfilled space or interval; a break in continuity.

Please explain how there's a gap in the 11-22, 18-55 and 55-200 range. ???

10-11 of course...

 

[veng]

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DPAF or bust

 

[Arctic-Winds]

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Finally some good news. I was beginning to despair that they'd be nothing coming soon(ish). Hopefully it'll come packaged with an inbuilt evf and decent focusing speed to make it a perfect secondary camera (for me anyway). FF isn't a dealbreaker and I don't think it will be for it's intended target audience.

 

[jebrady03]

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EF-S lineup has it's own "trinity" 10-18, 18-55, 55-250.
EF has it's trinity, 11-24, 24-70, 70-200.

The EF-M does not.

How could you even say that? They have the 11-22, 18-55 and 55-200

They do, but there is no "gap-lass" continuity of focals like the other trinities.

Also with all the patents they've cranked out, after, the release of said lenses, Canon is obviously considering, or even working on an upgrade to these lenses.

Think about it, if you could go wider, than 10mm on a APS-C, say 9mm, that's juicy. It puts a wedge between you and your competition, say Sony which only goes to 10mm on their E mount. Ditto for their 55-210 E mount.

Go to 9mm, and now you have a wider ultrawide native, and a longer, and go to 30mm and you have a longer telephoto zoom.

Yes, they have a trinity now, but it

A. Has overlapping what is going on focals, think 22 f/2, 11-22, 18-55 come to mind. The first 3 EF-M's had serious overlap.
B. Could always use longer/wider focals, never ever a bad thing to be more competitive.

The 11-22 is an EXCELLENT lens optically, don't hear what I'm not saying, but I'd take another 2mm in a heartbeat. Likewise on the 55-200, I'd take another 100mm in a heartbeat... Even at some expensive optically.

Sony "crop factor" = 1.5x
Canon "crop factor" = 1.6x

10mm x 1.5 = 15mm
9mm x 1.6 = 14.4mm

About 2.75% difference. That's like a 100mm vs a 102.75mm. Not enough for as many words as you dedicated to it.

 

[neuroanatomist]

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You may recall back when we had only the 22, 11-22 and 18-55 we were all like, how many more times can we cover 22mm?

Who's this 'we' of whom you speak?

Consider 24mm...

11-24/4
16-35/2.8
16-35/4 IS
17-40/4
24-70/2.8
24-70/4 IS
24-105 IS
24/1.4
24/2.8 IS
24/3.5 TS-E

Is anyone complaining about the 10 current EF lenses covering 24mm, not to mention the additional 10 EF-S lenses covering 24mm (although admittedly there are some duplicate EF-S that differ by focus motor and/or IS)?

 

[zim]

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They should just put the 80D's technique into a G5X like body - maybe slightly bigger but with all the buttons and wheels + full articulating screen and an updated EVF.

What?

One can always dream...

Been saying the same thing since I first saw that camera. Having played with it for a few minutes the only thing I'd disagree with is 'slightly' bigger, honesty that thing is tiny, I'd be happy with twice as big all round!

 

[H. Jones]

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They should just put the 80D's technique into a G5X like body - maybe slightly bigger but with all the buttons and wheels + full articulating screen and an updated EVF.

What?

One can always dream...

Been saying the same thing since I first saw that camera. Having played with it for a few minutes the only thing I'd disagree with is 'slightly' bigger, honesty that thing is tiny, I'd be happy with twice as big all round!

Give it more of a real grip and I'd be very happy. Combine the M3's grip with the G5X's body/EVF/LCD and let it swap lenses and that's a real contender there. Plus, the style is just awesome.

 

[tcmatthews]

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I forget about the Sony 1.5x, I've only recently learned of it when looking into the A6300.

That's somewhat depressing that 9mm at 1.6 only catches up to 10mm at 1.5, but it's true.

Sony's 10 UWA comes at a steep cost last I checked.

Yes it is expensive but it is a nice lens. I had a Canon STM EF-s 10-18 for a while and the Sony made it look broken when comparing image sharpness. At the time the EOS-m did not have a Ultra wide in the US and my old sigma was broken. I actual thing the sigma was sharper once you worked around the quirks. Just to see if it was the lens or me just noticing the stronger AA filter after extended use of my Nex6 I ended up testing the STM on my EOS-M, 60D, Rebel XS and my Nex6. It was ok stopped down and had best sharpness was on the Nex6 but the Sony lens was hands down sharper. But the Sony 10-18 has funy distortion that is correctable that may throw some people off. The Canon did not have this. From everything I have seen the EOS-M 11-22 is a better lens than the STM 10-18 but I do not know how much of that is the fact it was the only option last I checked. I sold the STM with my EOS M but I still use the Sony 10-18 on my A7II as a 14-16mm.

 

[ahsanford]

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EVF or bust.

Budget rig = EOS M10

Standard rig = EOS M3 --> soon to be EOS M5 (it would appear)

The rig most of us would love = EOS Mfancypants --> EOS M5 + DPAF + Integral EVF, hopefully with some purpose-built nano-USM lenses expressly for the EF-M mount.

Someone please call me when the third one arrives. Phone number is 1.800.FNOONEKNOWS

#Zzzzzzzzz

- A

 

[ahsanford]

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I would say the M3 chassis is basically the ideal mirrorless chassis for me. Tried one out at BH Photo, and although I could use a slightly bigger grip, it's extremely comfortable and usable for a camera of that size. I would totally be all-in if they released a full-frame M3 with the Canon DSLR software instead of being like a powershot. I would really love a mirrorless 35mm f/2 or f/1.4 on that. I wouldn't even buy any other lenses for it.

+1 (with a qualifier)

If you only need one lens -- why have a modular mount at all?

I say that because I've been arguing that Canon needs a 'batting practice' fixed lens FF mirrorless rig that lets them nail form factor / ergonomics / controls / EVF / etc. before they make the major EF-(FF Mirrorless) un-undoable decisions. Follow the path of Leica Q (28mm f/1.7) or Sony RX1 platform (35mm f/2) but with 'Canon know-how', grip, feel, menus, intuitiveness, etc.

Further, going fixed lens unlocks some sweet options: bury the lens in the mount (as it were) to save overall thickness of the rig + lens, and you can drop a leaf shutter in there for a crazy 1/2000 sync speed like Sony did.

- A

 

[Ozarker]

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You may recall back when we had only the 22, 11-22 and 18-55 we were all like, how many more times can we cover 22mm?

Who's this 'we' of whom you speak?

Consider 24mm...

11-24/4
16-35/2.8
16-35/4 IS
17-40/4
24-70/2.8
24-70/4 IS
24-105 IS
24/1.4
24/2.8 IS
24/3.5 TS-E

Is anyone complaining about the 10 current EF lenses covering 24mm, not to mention the additional 10 EF-S lenses covering 24mm (although admittedly there are some duplicate EF-S that differ by focus motor and/or IS)?

Correction, we implies other people and myself, I didn't join the CR board till 2014 I was a reader for a while prior to contributing anything to the forum.

Now we are all like, "Wow!"

All implies everybody.

 

[cnardo]

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From my vantage point, I rather have a new SL2 than a M5... The SL2 feels better in my hands and easier to operate.
Anybody out there agree? Does anyone know when we can expect a SL2? Was suppose to be this year. ???

 

[JPAZ]

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For those of us who got the old $199 special M1, every time I gather my gear to go, I look at my M with a couple of (actually very good) lenses plus the adapter for which the 40mm is a nice combo, and I look and look and look........Then I grab the DSLR and go. I just cannot see a very good niche for the M1, which made me forego the M2, M3, and now there will be a new M(4). It is smaller and the IQ of the M1 is pretty good but otherwise, it is limited for all but "still life" photos. I really want to have a decent mirrorless system. But, I can't see investing more in this line.

Guess I will wait and see. But this would need to be exceptional for me to jump.

 

[Etienne]

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To buy, I'll be looking for:

1. DPAF
2. DPAF with touch screen
3. Full swivel screen
4. Fix the sensor-based vignetting problem
5. Improved video quality
6..... did I mention DPAF?

Really want: Some small fast primes with IS

 

[ahsanford]

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From my vantage point, I rather have a new SL2 than a M5... The SL2 feels better in my hands and easier to operate.
Anybody out there agree? Does anyone know when we can expect a SL2? Was suppose to be this year. ???

Just curious with your SL1 vs. EOS M -- how much of that "better/easier" is due to:

• An OVF's responsiveness
• A chunkier grip
• Rebel like controls and menus

In other words, the SL1 has a ton of 'SLR familiarity' going for it over the EOS M. What's the biggest of those three things you miss when using the EOS M?

- A