This is the Canon RF lens roadmap

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That really is my point, we, the photographer , ‘feel better’ but the viewer really doesn’t see the difference. Now it depends why we have this gear, who we are shooting for etc etc. if we are shooting for ourselves and we have the disposable income then the new stuff is a no brainer. If we are shooting for others on a budget the equation is very different.
100% agree. For myself my situation is a mix of both, so I decided to upgrade for my own piece of mind mainly.

I will say though, the technical qualities of the final output are just one part of the equation to consider when you’re shooting with a team of people (on a fashion shoot for instance). The improved autofocus means I don’t have to ‘overshoot’ to ensure I have a good frame with perfect focus. I can move on to the second and third look with more confidence - saving time and being in a more positive mindset / less stressed. I suppose that helps everyone feel a bit better on the shoot in those situations. But once again it’s a ‘nice feeling’ ;)
 

Dragon

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In most of Europe, the price for anything includes a Value-Added Tax that varies from (ballpark) 20 to 40 percent. I don't know what the VAT rate is in Sweden, but the VAT alone accounts for most of the price difference. Also, the advertised prices in the US do not include sales tax, possibly because the sales taxes vary a lot between communities.
Ah, yes taxes. In Oregon we don't have sales tax so I have gotten out of the habit of figuring it into the cost of stuff. In any case, COVID inflation is in full swing so expect prices of everything to continue to climb. Lumber prices are insane. We have a mill in town and they are running around the clock but the local lumberyards can't get lumber from them because their entire output is booked for months in advance.
 
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Viggo

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Ah, yes taxes. In Oregon we don't have sales tax so I have gotten out of the habit of figuring it into the cost of stuff. In any case, COVID inflation is in full swing so expect prices of everything to continue to climb. Lumber prices are insane. We have a mill in town and they are running around the clock but the local lumberyards can't get lumber from them because their entire output is booked for months in advance.
Same here, lumber materials went up 40(!!) % April first…
 
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As for anecdotal improvements in my pictures I disagree completely… the freedom to AF wherever I want in the frame with absolute precision and fast lenses sharp enough in the corner to match that is a complete game changer for composition. And the face/eye tracking means I can hold my subject in frame when they move without having to depend on my single AF point. I can’t tell you how many full body portraits that are cropped too close at the feet because my dslr’s didn’t have af points far enough out. I shoot to not crop in post and this is a huge upgrade with mirrorless.

and the AF speed and precision with the RF50L and RF85L compared to their EF counterpart couldn’t be bigger. The RF’s are everything I’ve ever wanted in those lenses where the EF glass on DSLR was a reeeeaaaal PITA to use…
 
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As for anecdotal improvements in my pictures I disagree completely… the freedom to AF wherever I want in the frame with absolute precision and fast lenses sharp enough in the corner to match that is a complete game changer for composition. And the face/eye tracking means I can hold my subject in frame when they move without having to depend on my single AF point. I can’t tell you how many full body portraits that are cropped too close at the feet because my dslr’s didn’t have af points far enough out. I shoot to not crop in post and this is a huge upgrade with mirrorless.

and the AF speed and precision with the RF50L and RF85L compared to their EF counterpart couldn’t be bigger. The RF’s are everything I’ve ever wanted in those lenses where the EF glass on DSLR was a reeeeaaaal PITA to use…

I agree that the AF combined with the great RF 85L and RF 50L really does improve things noticeably - much more enjoyable shooting when the equipment gets out of the way and let’s you focus on the more creative aspects. That is bound to make you miss less shots and probably improve the creative output also.

Having said that though, some of my favourite photos were taken years ago with a (now) lowly 5D Mark ii combined with the EF 50mm f1.4. That combination was pretty awful for me when it came to autofocus accuracy and I found the outer focus points particularly useless on that camera. Resorted to focus and recompose for every shot using the middle focus point only. Even with that worse equipment, I suppose you just learn to work around it and can still find ways to produce good results.

Funnily enough, moving to a 5D Mark III felt like a game changer to me at the time because I could finally use outer focus points reliably. And I suppose if you had a 1D level camera, the AF would have been even better... perhaps why some people here don’t feel compelled to move to mirrorless. I was sceptical at first, but after owning the EOS R and then now the R5 I would never go back to a DSLR, nor would I recommend anyone else (who does similar work to me) to buy anything but a good mirrorless camera. I get much more excited about shooting these days, because I don’t have to think about the equipment nearly at all. That’s truly a nice feeling :D

All I need now is a 35mm F1.2L! Common Canon!
 

koenkooi

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[..]Funnily enough, moving to a 5D Mark III felt like a game changer to me at the time because I could finally use outer focus points reliably. And I suppose if you had a 1D level camera, the AF would have been even better...[..]
When I tried to rent an R5 last year the rental place double booked it and offered an 1DX3 instread at the same price. Almost everything on that 1DX3 was miles ahead of my RP, except the AF. I couldn't get past how clumped together the AF points were and how little they covered. It felt less than on my 1D, but that cheats by being APS-H :)

The shoot was dragonflies at dawn in a peat bog, so not much AF was needed, but still, it was jarring when looking through the viewfinder and trying to move the AF point to the edges and failing.
 
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In most of Europe, the price for anything includes a Value-Added Tax that varies from (ballpark) 20 to 40 percent. I don't know what the VAT rate is in Sweden, but the VAT alone accounts for most of the price difference. Also, the advertised prices in the US do not include sales tax, possibly because the sales taxes vary a lot between communities.
The prices between the US and most of Europe do make a difference, VAT does it's share. The RF 100-500mm is about 800 $ more expensive in Germany (compared to Texas VAT which is 8.25%) and the difference is even more significant when compared to Oklahoma (VAT 4.5%) or Oregon (0% VAT).

So RF gear in Germany is extremely costly with its 19% VAT...
 

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Is there also 15% cash back on RF lenses?
yes there is, I ordered the not yet released 100 macro and picked up the 70-200 f4 zoom.

as far as I know the only limit is the refurb items which have a smaller cash back.

Now, I THOUGHT yesterday was the last day, but I"m not positive about that.
 
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yes there is, I ordered the not yet released 100 macro and picked up the 70-200 f4 zoom.

as far as I know the only limit is the refurb items which have a smaller cash back.

Now, I THOUGHT yesterday was the last day, but I"m not positive about that.
Thx for the reply. I'll check it out right away
 

Viggo

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The prices between the US and most of Europe do make a difference, VAT does it's share. The RF 100-500mm is about 800 $ more expensive in Germany (compared to Texas VAT which is 8.25%) and the difference is even more significant when compared to Oklahoma (VAT 4.5%) or Oregon (0% VAT).

So RF gear in Germany is extremely costly with its 19% VAT...
Indeed, and we have 25% vat…
 

Finn

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Still waiting for a 14-28mm f/2.

My trinity setup would be:

14-28mm f/2, 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200mm f/2.8. The 28-70 f/2 is a great lens but too heavy and not wide enough for me for a standard zoom range. Also, super bummed the 70-200 doesn't take a teleconverter...really stupid. But we have see whispers of new style teleconverters for RF.
 

FrenchFry

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Still waiting for a 14-28mm f/2.

My trinity setup would be:

14-28mm f/2, 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200mm f/2.8. The 28-70 f/2 is a great lens but too heavy and not wide enough for me for a standard zoom range. Also, super bummed the 70-200 doesn't take a teleconverter...really stupid. But we have see whispers of new style teleconverters for RF.
Got a link to those whispers?
 
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Still waiting for a 14-28mm f/2.
That'd be super awesome, especially for astrophotography! And to complete the trinity I'd love to see a 70-135mm F2... although at this point I'm not sure which lense I'd get. At the moment, I'm desperately waiting for the RF 14-35mm F4...

There seems to be no F2 lense on this roadmap. Is there any news whether Canon will eventually "complete" a F2 trinity? CR Guy reported a CR1 rumor about a 16-28mm F2 lense in 2019, since then I haven't read anything about it in terms of "f2 trinity"...
 
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Dragon

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Still waiting for a 14-28mm f/2.

My trinity setup would be:

14-28mm f/2, 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200mm f/2.8. The 28-70 f/2 is a great lens but too heavy and not wide enough for me for a standard zoom range. Also, super bummed the 70-200 doesn't take a teleconverter...really stupid. But we have see whispers of new style teleconverters for RF.
If Canon doesn't make them, Kenko will .
 
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