Touchscreen Coming to EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
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CanonFanBoy said:
That would be the one on my EOS M; I have an optical viewfinder for the camera (they made great stuff 75 years ago) to make it more user friendly for my style of operation.
Clearly not how it was intended to be used, and having read that the 70D is smart enough to disable the screen when you hold the camera to your eye, it sounds like Canon already anticipates the issue.
I like the suggestion of having a menu for touch screen control. Makes a lot of sense.
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Funny. The commentators who wouldn't be caught with a flip-phone are hyperventilating about how kewl the swivel/tilt screen is.
And if we think the flip screen is a gimmick, we are antiquated amateurs who never tried one?
Another repeated theme seems to be those of us who have no use for a flip screen didn't want AF? That simply reveals the silliness of whoever typed it.
If you depend on cameras to make money and memories from STILL IMAGES, a flip screen and touch screen are two marginally (at best!) useful features that only increase the chance of down time.
For video, certainly, a flip screen is very important, but a dedicated rig that is parked on a tripod (for use there or to be taken off and used on the fly) is much better. Trying to compose stills in moderately low light at a wedding or other ceremony with a flip screen will miss many, many great moments.
I'm having a hard time imagining an event photographer using one--unless you are holding the camera over your head to get over the crowd at a concert. And if that is your best vantage point, you are simply an audience member, not covering the event.
I don't want enthusiasts to be without their toys, but on a pro body, which is what the post is about, give me performance, durability, and reliability. Elegant simplicity is what I LOVE about the 5DIII design.
What I'd like to see in the 5D4 has already been covered by many excellent suggestions in those threads. But most importantly, a bit cleaner at ISO 2500 - 128000, wider spread of AF points, a little faster shots per second, AF points that stay lit and easily visible in all settings and conditions...
Better than a flip for high tripod work or other awkward positions would be seamless integration with a smart phone or tablet. This would be on a tripod, of course, but how many of us are going to be holding a pro-body with a heavy lens over head and grabbing moments with a flip screen? Seriously!
And if we think the flip screen is a gimmick, we are antiquated amateurs who never tried one?
Another repeated theme seems to be those of us who have no use for a flip screen didn't want AF? That simply reveals the silliness of whoever typed it.
If you depend on cameras to make money and memories from STILL IMAGES, a flip screen and touch screen are two marginally (at best!) useful features that only increase the chance of down time.
For video, certainly, a flip screen is very important, but a dedicated rig that is parked on a tripod (for use there or to be taken off and used on the fly) is much better. Trying to compose stills in moderately low light at a wedding or other ceremony with a flip screen will miss many, many great moments.
I'm having a hard time imagining an event photographer using one--unless you are holding the camera over your head to get over the crowd at a concert. And if that is your best vantage point, you are simply an audience member, not covering the event.
I don't want enthusiasts to be without their toys, but on a pro body, which is what the post is about, give me performance, durability, and reliability. Elegant simplicity is what I LOVE about the 5DIII design.
What I'd like to see in the 5D4 has already been covered by many excellent suggestions in those threads. But most importantly, a bit cleaner at ISO 2500 - 128000, wider spread of AF points, a little faster shots per second, AF points that stay lit and easily visible in all settings and conditions...
Better than a flip for high tripod work or other awkward positions would be seamless integration with a smart phone or tablet. This would be on a tripod, of course, but how many of us are going to be holding a pro-body with a heavy lens over head and grabbing moments with a flip screen? Seriously!
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infared said:sanj said:
Is the elbow brace from carrying the rig around?
If you had a tilt screen you may need a neck brace, no?
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Proper use of the elbow brace would have secured a better place in the crowd ;D
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Oh good! You took my comment in the vain it was given! FOR A LAUGH! YAY!sanj said:Infared.
Hope that there are no real health issues! ;D
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Oh and top put in my 2 cents...
I think tilt-screens are useful and though they do take away from the robustness of the camera body, they're better than flip-screens. I find I use the tilt-screen a lot on my Sony Alpha 6000.
I don't care for touchscreens so I'll switch off that function.
I think tilt-screens are useful and though they do take away from the robustness of the camera body, they're better than flip-screens. I find I use the tilt-screen a lot on my Sony Alpha 6000.
I don't care for touchscreens so I'll switch off that function.
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As well as my Canon gear I have an Olympus OM-D E-M10 and the tilting screen with touch controls is well engineered and a joy to use. Sometimes I like to go low with my cameras in Landscape the 6D is OK because I can use wi-fi and my iPhone to see live view & even take the picture however that option doesnt exist for the 5DS so a £3000 camera is limited in viewing heights. I dont buy the weather sealing crap if we can do it on Motion Picture cameras that are NOT weather sealed then why not on a 5D?? camera.
THe sensitivity of the sensor is a different issue the two are not exclusively linked but an upgrade to 28MP would be a good sweet spot & more DR would be nice.
THe sensitivity of the sensor is a different issue the two are not exclusively linked but an upgrade to 28MP would be a good sweet spot & more DR would be nice.
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neuroanatomist said:tomscott said:
Dumbfounding that your personal views of what constitutes a useful or desirable feature are not universally shared? I suggest you get over it.
tomscott said:
Interesting. Perhaps the creativity of my long exposure blue hour shots and panoramas is hindered by taking the time to set up a tripod...but I doubt it. :
In fairness Neuro, I don't think it's the opposition to certain features so much as the basis of that opposition - opponents don't seem to have any good reason or evidence to object to the addition of features that they can just choose to disable/ignore (sounds rather like people who resent their DSLR having video functionality).
Disclosure: I happen to be neutral on the subject of flip screens, as I've never used one and not felt like I needed one (but as I get older, could imagine kneeling and squatting and crouching to photograph macro subject especially would be helped by one); the EOS-M touchscreen is good, and I'd have nothing against them adding that functionality, but again it doesn't bother me either way.
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The fact that a tilt / swivel screen compromises the structural integrity of the camera in indisputable. How relevant that is though is open to discussion.
I'm fully aware of the benefits of a swivel screen. I say swivel because a tilt only screen is useless for portrait orientation ! And that's how I shoot panoramics. Being able to look down onto the screen to compose is, for me, an advantage.
On the other hand a camera that has been built to stand the rough and tumble of use under stress shouldn't, in my opinion, have a feature that can be snapped off, just like a pop up flash.
I guess that on a soft camera such as the 6D a swivel screen makes as much sense as on a 70D; that is useful, not only for viewing orientation, but for folding the screen away for protection. You know how bad a scratched screen is. Does anyone really think that a genuine pro who uses the camera as a working tool is bothered about a scratch on the rear screen ?
If touch screen doesn't create any resilience issues, and be switched off I don't see how this could harm the 5DIV. But a swivel screen on that camera ? Hmmm, not so sure. Perhaps you'd be better off with the 6DII which will probably have one.
I'm fully aware of the benefits of a swivel screen. I say swivel because a tilt only screen is useless for portrait orientation ! And that's how I shoot panoramics. Being able to look down onto the screen to compose is, for me, an advantage.
On the other hand a camera that has been built to stand the rough and tumble of use under stress shouldn't, in my opinion, have a feature that can be snapped off, just like a pop up flash.
I guess that on a soft camera such as the 6D a swivel screen makes as much sense as on a 70D; that is useful, not only for viewing orientation, but for folding the screen away for protection. You know how bad a scratched screen is. Does anyone really think that a genuine pro who uses the camera as a working tool is bothered about a scratch on the rear screen ?
If touch screen doesn't create any resilience issues, and be switched off I don't see how this could harm the 5DIV. But a swivel screen on that camera ? Hmmm, not so sure. Perhaps you'd be better off with the 6DII which will probably have one.
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scyrene said:neuroanatomist said:tomscott said:
Dumbfounding that your personal views of what constitutes a useful or desirable feature are not universally shared? I suggest you get over it.
tomscott said:
Interesting. Perhaps the creativity of my long exposure blue hour shots and panoramas is hindered by taking the time to set up a tripod...but I doubt it. :
In fairness Neuro, I don't think it's the opposition to certain features so much as the basis of that opposition - opponents don't seem to have any good reason or evidence to object to the addition of features that they can just choose to disable/ignore (sounds rather like people who resent their DSLR having video functionality).
Disclosure: I happen to be neutral on the subject of flip screens, as I've never used one and not felt like I needed one (but as I get older, could imagine kneeling and squatting and crouching to photograph macro subject especially would be helped by one); the EOS-M touchscreen is good, and I'd have nothing against them adding that functionality, but again it doesn't bother me either way.
Perhaps...but how do you disable or ignore an articulating screen? I'm actually in favor of a touchscreen (with the option to disable), it makes image review (zooming and navigating the zoomed image to check focus) much more efficient. However, the risk/concern is that more and more functionality will be shifted to that touchscreen...perhaps exclusively to that touchscreen with a concomitant elimination of manual controls (buttons and dials).
Oh, but buttons and dials are so antiquated... :
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scyrene said:neuroanatomist said:tomscott said:
Dumbfounding that your personal views of what constitutes a useful or desirable feature are not universally shared? I suggest you get over it.
tomscott said:
Interesting. Perhaps the creativity of my long exposure blue hour shots and panoramas is hindered by taking the time to set up a tripod...but I doubt it. :
In fairness Neuro, I don't think it's the opposition to certain features so much as the basis of that opposition - opponents don't seem to have any good reason or evidence to object to the addition of features that they can just choose to disable/ignore (sounds rather like people who resent their DSLR having video functionality).
Disclosure: I happen to be neutral on the subject of flip screens, as I've never used one and not felt like I needed one (but as I get older, could imagine kneeling and squatting and crouching to photograph macro subject especially would be helped by one); the EOS-M touchscreen is good, and I'd have nothing against them adding that functionality, but again it doesn't bother me either way.
...but I DO resent my DSLR having video functionality...!!!!!! I always have!!!!! :-X
If you need video...please see below! LOL!~ (I say this tongue & cheek...my DSLR would be much cheaper and not have functions that I NEVER use..but I realize that I am in the minority and will not be able to fight the market...although...Salmon do swim upstream to spawn, now don't they
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Touchscreen, swivel screen, flip screen. Whatever, I'll take it. I don't see what the fuss is about. It's nice to have these things but we can get by without too.
I often find myself tapping the screen of my 6D and then realizing it's just a regular screen. It's hard to not think of screens being touchscreen these days so yeah it is about time we got touchscreens. Though with the addition of WiFi (assuming it gets WiFi) wouldn't your smartphone double as a wireless LCD screen thus eliminating the need for this?
Does look pretty cool on the Nikon D750 I must admit. Haven't heard of those snapping off, have we?
I often find myself tapping the screen of my 6D and then realizing it's just a regular screen. It's hard to not think of screens being touchscreen these days so yeah it is about time we got touchscreens. Though with the addition of WiFi (assuming it gets WiFi) wouldn't your smartphone double as a wireless LCD screen thus eliminating the need for this?
Does look pretty cool on the Nikon D750 I must admit. Haven't heard of those snapping off, have we?
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ashmadux
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YuengLinger said:
A touch screen was never a gimmick.
Others say more than 12mp is a gimmick too. It's kind of crazy I feel.
Touch screen and swivel screens are incredibly useful in actual production. I would love to have a 70d again. and the g5 build quality is just sweet.
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justaCanonuser
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Maximilian said:
The screens of my 5D3 and 7D2 often get nose marks, in particular when I protected my face with suncream 8). Doesn't bother me, just wipe them off...
As many others posted here, I'd appreciate a flippy tilty touch screen if really rugged enough for wildlife and nature. But on top of my list would be other improvements first for the 5D4, e.g. selective metering for every AF sensor point, not only the center one.
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Flippy floppy screens really are useful paired with an eyecup. I'm shooting b-cam at a business conference here.
The 5D would be great with the extra light sensitivity and the ability to go full frame for stills, but it's a pain to work with compared to a 60/70D. I shouldn't have to sacrifice functionality moving to a higher end camera like that.
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