Touchscreen Coming to EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
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YuengLinger said:
Apparently, it's the first resort of a jerk to mock someone else's needs/sensibilities/desires because they do not share them.
It's not about being "out of ideas", it's about the ability to perform simple tasks that a rigid LCD cannot:
- Shooting very low to the ground (in a realtime circumstance you lack a tripod or the time to set it up)
- Shooting high above your head to see something you are not tall enough to see (a wall, a crowd of people, etc)
You can write those needs off as amateur, not 'serious' photography, etc. but I want to do those things and a flippy screen would trivialize those endeavors.
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I keep wondering if Canon can make the screen detachable.
i.e. built in battery and wifi link to the camera, with say a 30 minute run time when detached, and recharges off the camera battery when reattached.
With wireless charging both screen and camera could be water tight, and if you broke/lost it you just clip on a replacement.
That's got to be the way to do it.
thinking further, you could do an EVF like this too!
i.e. built in battery and wifi link to the camera, with say a 30 minute run time when detached, and recharges off the camera battery when reattached.
With wireless charging both screen and camera could be water tight, and if you broke/lost it you just clip on a replacement.
That's got to be the way to do it.
thinking further, you could do an EVF like this too!
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YuengLinger said:
You're using the word aggression, nobody else has afaik. And when you find a sense of humour yourself, please feel free to display it here
Incidentally, as regards low level stuff, it makes me think MACRO before anything else. A lot of interesting tiny subjects are below face height...
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scyrene said:YuengLinger said:
You're using the word aggression, nobody else has afaik. And when you find a sense of humour yourself, please feel free to display it here
Incidentally, as regards low level stuff, it makes me think MACRO before anything else. A lot of interesting tiny subjects are below face height...
Sorry the humor was over your head...
The macro event photographers are beside themselves!
I don't think there are any jerks in this thread. Overheated geeks maybe, but no jerks.
What a job Canon has pleasing us all!
Hopefully we won't see a CR1 about a popup flash on the 1DXII! :
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ahsanford said:YuengLinger said:
Apparently, it's the first resort of a jerk to mock someone else's needs/sensibilities/desires because they do not share them.
It's not about being "out of ideas", it's about the ability to perform simple tasks that a rigid LCD cannot:
- Shooting very low to the ground (in a realtime circumstance you lack a tripod or the time to set it up)
- Shooting high above your head to see something you are not tall enough to see (a wall, a crowd of people, etc)
You can write those needs off as amateur, not 'serious' photography, etc. but I want to do those things and a flippy screen would trivialize those endeavors.
- A
Just wanted to take a moment to say that across various threads (and websites, if that's you on SLR Lounge), your comments tend to be well thought out, constructive, open-minded and even-keeled. I enjoy your posts.
Incidentally, I've thoroughly enjoyed using an articulating touch screen for a recent/ongoing gig (portable studio on location, shooting portraits and in-context poses at a martial arts studio). It's more comfortable to view, depending on the tripod height, and touch-to-focus is fast and easy for shots in difficult poses (i.e. can't hold the position correctly for long) and for quickly changing point of focus as the poses change. It also makes it more comfortable to interact with my subjects not having to have my eye up to a viewfinder. So, for what it's worth, it was nice to have the articulating touch screen...on a tripod, shooting tethered, on a set, with no high or low angles.
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Here is my take:
I know most of us take care of our cameras... we don't... no... we won't drop it. But it does still happen...
I've seen people carelessly leave a camera on a tripod in a crowded hall, where a bunch of kids run across tripping over wires which eventually take down a tripod with a camera on top. I would hate to see a pro camera with an articulating screen fully unfolded to fall side ways.
With that said, all the plastic non-pro cameras have articulating screens... go with that... it has a pop-up flash built-in too.
You want pro?
You're going to pay pro-cash for it, $3K-$4K...
Stop being cheap and buy yourself a field monitor if you want low angles. Its the same with flash, buy yourself a proper flash.
I know most of us take care of our cameras... we don't... no... we won't drop it. But it does still happen...
I've seen people carelessly leave a camera on a tripod in a crowded hall, where a bunch of kids run across tripping over wires which eventually take down a tripod with a camera on top. I would hate to see a pro camera with an articulating screen fully unfolded to fall side ways.
With that said, all the plastic non-pro cameras have articulating screens... go with that... it has a pop-up flash built-in too.
You want pro?
You're going to pay pro-cash for it, $3K-$4K...
Stop being cheap and buy yourself a field monitor if you want low angles. Its the same with flash, buy yourself a proper flash.
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You mean like the 7D2YuengLinger said:scyrene said:YuengLinger said:
You're using the word aggression, nobody else has afaik. And when you find a sense of humour yourself, please feel free to display it here
Incidentally, as regards low level stuff, it makes me think MACRO before anything else. A lot of interesting tiny subjects are below face height...
Sorry the humor was over your head...
The macro event photographers are beside themselves!
I don't think there are any jerks in this thread. Overheated geeks maybe, but no jerks.
What a job Canon has pleasing us all!
Hopefully we won't see a CR1 about a popup flash on the 1DXII! :
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The thing is, if you have WiFi, why not develop a decent Ap for smartphones and tablets where you can mirror the built in touchscreen and even add access to the various buttons.......rfdesigner said:
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mkabi said:
"Forgive him father, for he knows not what he is talking about."
Before I bought a 5D mark III I bought my 70D. I have never used the pop-up flash. I've got 7 Canon 600EX-RTs for that and many LED kits and a strobe. Your assumptions are just silly.
The definition of a professional is someone who makes his living doing whatever he does for pay. While a camera may be considered PRO grade it has nothing to do with the person using it.
I am not a professional photographer, but I have a lot of professional grade gear. I'm here to tell you that the articulating touch screen is a professional grade feature tried out first on a consumer grade camera. Just like DPAF and other features. Technology does not always trickle down, sometimes it trickles up.
If you've never used the technology then you have no idea what you are talking about. To insult others with misplaced purism is caddish behavior.
Now, the people who leave cameras in hallways full of rambunctious children with cords all over the place? Well, there's no accounting for stupidity. Having or not having an articulating screen is not going to fix that. You say you've seen "people" do that. More than one?
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+1000CanonFanBoy said:
Last week at work I was doing documentation photography in confined spaces. The 7D2 and 5D2 sat idle as the 60D (with articulated screen) got the shots as I was able to fit it into the small spaces. Other shots were done with a GoPro and WiFi control link because that was the camera that could fit into the narrow spaces.
Therefore, the 60D and GoPro are "Pro" cameras while the 5D2 and 7D2 are not.....
A pro (or an unbiased amateur) will use the right tool for the job and not get caught up in silly debates as to what is a "pro" camera or a "pro" feature.....
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I used to think that way, I guess it was 6 months ago.mkabi said:
But life changes and I have to keep following that change.
C100 had a half flip screen and everybody was satisfied when they upgraded it to full flip on mark II. Now people are complaining that it is not touch screen, like the 70D
Remember that many use 5D for both stills and video, including myself, and for video these two features seem to become very popular.
I used to think that a field monitor is better because I can choose and can remove and add it as needed, but after working with the C100 I realized how wrong I was. For run and gunner you really want a ready to be used system and adding and removing parts all over the place is not the way to go, which is actually the biggest weakness of the 5D compared to the C100.
I currently use a field monitor, voice recorder, camranger and a follow focus while my friend uses a 70D. I need 30min to have all connected while he needs 2min. So far, I stick with mine because it is full frame.
You may say, why don't you go with the C100?
Because I am most of all a photographer. Video is an added value and if Canon is convinced that these added values keep them competitive then I see no reason not to add them. Pro cameras have flip screen, why not the 5D?
Hopefully the 1DX II won't have it so that sport photog can have their piece of mind.
That is my take.
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Don you're the PROfessor of LightDon Haines said:+1000CanonFanBoy said:
Last week at work I was doing documentation photography in confined spaces. The 7D2 and 5D2 sat idle as the 60D (with articulated screen) got the shots as I was able to fit it into the small spaces. Other shots were done with a GoPro and WiFi control link because that was the camera that could fit into the narrow spaces.
Therefore, the 60D and GoPro are "Pro" cameras while the 5D2 and 7D2 are not.....
A pro (or an unbiased amateur) will use the right tool for the job and not get caught up in silly debates as to what is a "pro" camera or a "pro" feature.....
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The one annoying assertion in this thread is that those of us who oppose a flip screen on the 5DIV have never used a flip-screen, thus our distaste and distain.
Those of you assuming this apparently have used a flip-screen and believe anybody who doesn't like it is ignorant or reactionary.
Wrong assumptions about human nature point to missing a lot of precious moments because you simply don't recognize them. Or you are adjusting your flip screen. ;D
Those of you assuming this apparently have used a flip-screen and believe anybody who doesn't like it is ignorant or reactionary.
Wrong assumptions about human nature point to missing a lot of precious moments because you simply don't recognize them. Or you are adjusting your flip screen. ;D
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YuengLinger said:
You: 1. "You do have to use the touch screen if canon has removed the buttons!
2. Flip screens are for kids with toy cameras, seriously."
3. You also said it isn't a core improvement, just a "gimmick."
1. The buttons are not removed. There is still full control through buttons on all current Canon DSLR models. Thus your ignorance and probable non-use, or extremely passive use of any flip screen on a Canon. If you used a 70D you certainly were completely unfamiliar re: the buttons.
Nobody really cares whether you like the screen or not. Just know what you are talking about or ask somebody who does.
2. Name the toy cameras with touch flip screens. First define "toy" cameras.
3. Not a core improvement? That statement is just laughable. Those of us who use it know better. It is a fantastic core improvement.
Nobody cares whether you like it or not. Just know we can spot a troll when we see one.
Somebody else made the misinformed remark that a flip touch screen would change settings as his nose touched it.
Someone else suggested the camera could not be weather sealed.
Now you suggest that it is we, the users of the tech, who are misinformed as to your use or that of others. Nope. Your statements earlier in the thread prove your ignorance on the matter. You may have tried out a flip touch screen, but you certainly did not know everything can still be controlled through buttons. You are a smart man, however, you are ignorant concerning this.
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If the new 5D IV had a touch screen and a flip screen then I can't see how anyone could object if:
a) the touchscreen can be disabled without losing any traditional functionality (ie, all normal operations can still be carried out with buttons)
b) the flip mechanism can be fully weather sealed.
The only concern that hasn't yet been answered by the pro-flippy people here is what would happen with the five buttons that are currently on the left of the screen on the 5D III. The concern is that moving them elsewhere could end up being an ergonomic nightmare. And judging by Canon's ergonomic mess of the controls on the EOS M3 I wouldn't say it's guaranteed they'll come up with a satisfactory solution.
But, I do agree that if it does become touchy-flippy a lot of the haters will eventually secretly love it once they get used to it.
a) the touchscreen can be disabled without losing any traditional functionality (ie, all normal operations can still be carried out with buttons)
b) the flip mechanism can be fully weather sealed.
The only concern that hasn't yet been answered by the pro-flippy people here is what would happen with the five buttons that are currently on the left of the screen on the 5D III. The concern is that moving them elsewhere could end up being an ergonomic nightmare. And judging by Canon's ergonomic mess of the controls on the EOS M3 I wouldn't say it's guaranteed they'll come up with a satisfactory solution.
But, I do agree that if it does become touchy-flippy a lot of the haters will eventually secretly love it once they get used to it.
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I find that the annoying assertion in this thread is that people on both sides of the question assume that their preference is right.YuengLinger said:
Personally, my preference depends on what I am doing at the time.
I really like the solid simplicity of a fixed screen when shooting action.
I like the flexibility of an articulated screen when shooting at awkward angles.
I LOVE! WiFi control when set up at a bird feeder.
WiFi control is fantastic for setups like shooting musicians remotely (they hate it when you walk on stage)
Tethered is wonderful for studio work.....
I don't use live-view much, but when I do, I think it's wonderful.
Touch screens.... not much experience there.... I pass on judgement.
I like to have all the tools available for me to use and to pick and chose the tool that best meets my needs for the conditions that I am dealing with. I think that it is silly and shortsighted to malign a tool because you don't use it. You don't like touchscreens? Turn it off! You don't like WiFi? Don't use it! You don't like articulated screens? leave it in the closed position. Don't deny others their choice because it is not your choice....
And remember, features sell cameras. The better it sells, the more profitable Canon becomes and the more likely you are to get pricing advantages from bigger production runs.
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Don Haines said:
Excellent points, Don.
In my experience, however, the flip screen significantly changes the tight, solid feel of a body. On a second camera, fine, but on a primary body, such as the upcoming 5D4, I'm hoping this rumor is not true.
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CanonFanBoy said:
First, tossing out the term "troll" diminishes an otherwise good post. This is a lively thread with strong opinions. If I disagree with you, I'm not a troll, racist, homophobe, hater, or whatever.
Second, I'm not talking about touch screen cameras on existing cameras! We are talking about the as yet hypothetical features of a new 5D4, and if I had to rely on touch INSTEAD of buttons that currently give me enough tactile feedback to locate and know have been pressed, I'd pass on such a camera.
I've had a 60D for nearly four years. I've found the
A core improvement is not tacking on a feature that has existed in various forms on toyish bodies for years. And, yes, I consider the 60D toyish compared to a 5D3. It was a step down from previous XXD bodies, and it was made of all plastic. But I bought it as a fun camera at a great price. And it takes some excellent photos.
What is a toy? A toy is something bought for pleasure, to play with. Is an RC car or plane a toy? Talk to a fanatic and they might tell you it is not.
Cameras are more of a gray area. Many people buy them as toys and slowly learn to use them as tools. If they bought a camera that is marketed towards play rather than work, they might want to upgrade and find a more useful tool.
Why get offended if somebody calls a Rebel a toy when comparing it to a 5DIII or 1DX? It is. Of course compared to a point and shoot from the 80's, a Rebel can be seen as a high tech tool.
Yes, I've replied somewhat facetiously in posts, but in response to those who, without knowing a thing about photographers who object to a feature start blabbing about how we are ignorant and hate AF, IS, or any other feature we craved before it was widely adopted.
I've made my opinion clear about the flip screen. You've kind of gotten lost in some posting etiquette quandary of your own making.
Canon will decide which bodies get flip-screens. Or already has. Hopefully they will not mask a lack of core improvements with gimmicks. Why is that opinion so offensive to you?
Name calling certainly doesn't make a case; it just makes you feel you have some ability to silence somebody you cannot debate. Which is why your use of the word "troll" is so odd--you were otherwise making a good case for you desire to see a flip-screen on a 5Dx or even higher body. A stinging rebuke is far different from a cliché label that pretty much went out of fashion last decade.
The problem on forums today, more than ever because of multitasking while looking at a tiny smartphone screen, is people don't really read or think while they are reading. And so they get insulted and bent out of shape about a fragment of a post or thread.
And really this is a fun thread! Sense of humor is at such a premium! Are you so worried that those who disagree with you are going to sway Canon and ruin your photography? :-\
Lighten up! We are alive and have enough resources to have some kind of camera.
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