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[Tcapp]

I just need the best "film". And by best I mean the sensor with the highest resolution, widest DR, widest color gamut and lowest noise in my primary shooting range - 100-800. More DR means I have more zones to work with before I clip. That's vital.

Oh, really..?

Care to let us see an example of your work? It must be extraordinarily demanding, if you can only accomplish it when all of those criteria are met - in fact I can hardly believe that you've been able to make a single image so far.

So let's see what it is that you simply couldn't do with a lowly 5D Mk III then - we obviously have much to learn here.

For the avoidance of any doubt, yes, I'm "calling" you on this.

Given the amount of 5d3 bashing that's going on in this forum i've come across quite a few regular posters lose their cool. So it's ok to be wrong at times.

Not that UrbanVoyeur's points are invalid, it's simply a matter of fact that canon hasn't improved every parameter that could have been improved. Will canon deliver "superior" DR in their next generation of releases - i bet even canon might not know at this point of time. Some of us can wait it out /switch /complain and hope some of the reasonable demands find their way into the next generation of canon cameras. There are others who will buy the 5d3 FWIW and find ways to get the best out of what the camera can deliver.

Nevertheless, I can't wait to see (and get some of my own) all the beautiful images that WILL come out of this crappy sensor.

http://www.TimothyCapp.com

Nice baby pics Mr. Dad! and congratulations to you guys!!

Why thank you my friend!! Always makes me happy when people take the time to check out my stuff. Thats what makes this forum feel like family. A pretty dysfunctional family at times, but a family non the less!

 

[jrista]

Nevertheless, I can't wait to see (and get some of my own) all the beautiful images that WILL come out of this crappy sensor.

I'm not sure anyone (who isn't just being spiteful) would actually call the sensor "crappy". Its certainly not a crappy sensor...however it is LACKING for some types of photography. I don't think there is any question that Canon sensors, for quite some time now, have offered lackluster dynamic range relative to the competition. Nikon was even getting over 12 stops of DR with their own sensors before they moved to Sony's game-changing Exmor. I believe millions of photographers will produce great photos with the 5D III, but that doesn't change the fact that Canon's sensor technology IS rather lackluster relative to the competition.

A better tool in skilled hands will always create a better result.

 

[RunAndGun]

Bottom line, BOTH Canon and Nikon cameras can produce beautiful results.

On a side note, I just picked up a mint EOS-3 for $200. Let's see how that sensor(Velvia 50) looks...

 

[sach100]

Nevertheless, I can't wait to see (and get some of my own) all the beautiful images that WILL come out of this crappy sensor.

I'm not sure anyone (who isn't just being spiteful) would actually call the sensor "crappy". Its certainly not a crappy sensor...however it is LACKING for some types of photography. I don't think there is any question that Canon sensors, for quite some time now, have offered lackluster dynamic range relative to the competition. Nikon was even getting over 12 stops of DR with their own sensors before they moved to Sony's game-changing Exmor. I believe millions of photographers will produce great photos with the 5D III, but that doesn't change the fact that Canon's sensor technology IS rather lackluster relative to the competition.

A better tool in skilled hands will always create a better result.

yeah, my bad, poor choice of a word.

 

[takoman46]

Still talking about the sensor......

There is much improved in the 5D Mark III to give us the shot we want...
And that's what counts.

Ah yes, the sensor.. Kind of important, don't you think?

While the 5D3 might be a great upgrade for people coming from the 7D, XXD, or the rebel line, it is a very underwhelming and disappointing upgrade for the 5D2 crowd.

Not everyone wants to pay 3500 bucks for fixed AF, ratebutton and more FPS.

Are you a 5D Mark II owner? Or are you speaking on behalf of all 5D Mark II owners? I'm not attacking you, but you're claim needs support. If you are a 5D Mark II user and feel this way, then by all means your opinion is very valid.

For what it's worth, I went from a Mark II to a Mark III and am very pleased with the Mark III. It is in no way a disappointment for me.

 

[Tcapp]

Still talking about the sensor......

There is much improved in the 5D Mark III to give us the shot we want...
And that's what counts.

Ah yes, the sensor.. Kind of important, don't you think?

While the 5D3 might be a great upgrade for people coming from the 7D, XXD, or the rebel line, it is a very underwhelming and disappointing upgrade for the 5D2 crowd.

Not everyone wants to pay 3500 bucks for fixed AF, ratebutton and more FPS.

Are you a 5D Mark II owner? Or are you speaking on behalf of all 5D Mark II owners? I'm not attacking you, but you're claim needs support. If you are a 5D Mark II user and feel this way, then by all means your opinion is very valid.

For what it's worth, I went from a Mark II to a Mark III and am very pleased with the Mark III. It is in no way a disappointment for me.

Same here. mark ii to the mark iii. Never looking back. Love it! Worth every penny.

 

[briansquibb]

Still talking about the sensor......

There is much improved in the 5D Mark III to give us the shot we want...
And that's what counts.

Ah yes, the sensor.. Kind of important, don't you think?

While the 5D3 might be a great upgrade for people coming from the 7D, XXD, or the rebel line, it is a very underwhelming and disappointing upgrade for the 5D2 crowd.

Not everyone wants to pay 3500 bucks for fixed AF, ratebutton and more FPS.

The 1DS3 users still haven't got an upgrade path. The 1DX just is not a valid 1DS3 replacement, good camera though it might be. If the 1DX had the 5DIII style sensor that would have made it an awesome camera.

 

[Tcapp]

Still talking about the sensor......

There is much improved in the 5D Mark III to give us the shot we want...
And that's what counts.

Ah yes, the sensor.. Kind of important, don't you think?

While the 5D3 might be a great upgrade for people coming from the 7D, XXD, or the rebel line, it is a very underwhelming and disappointing upgrade for the 5D2 crowd.

Not everyone wants to pay 3500 bucks for fixed AF, ratebutton and more FPS.

The 1DS3 users still haven't got an upgrade path. The 1DX just is not a valid 1DS3 replacement, good camera though it might be. If the 1DX had the 5DIII style sensor that would have made it an awesome camera.

Not saying you are wrong, but how is it not a 5diii style sensor? Just because it is a few megapixles lower resolution? Isn't the sensor supposed to be the best canon has ever produced?

 

[briansquibb]

Still talking about the sensor......

There is much improved in the 5D Mark III to give us the shot we want...
And that's what counts.

Ah yes, the sensor.. Kind of important, don't you think?

While the 5D3 might be a great upgrade for people coming from the 7D, XXD, or the rebel line, it is a very underwhelming and disappointing upgrade for the 5D2 crowd.

Not everyone wants to pay 3500 bucks for fixed AF, ratebutton and more FPS.

The 1DS3 users still haven't got an upgrade path. The 1DX just is not a valid 1DS3 replacement, good camera though it might be. If the 1DX had the 5DIII style sensor that would have made it an awesome camera.

Not saying you are wrong, but how is it not a 5diii style sensor? Just because it is a few megapixles lower resolution? Isn't the sensor supposed to be the best canon has ever produced?

It might be the same technology as the 5DIII but going back to 18mp from near 22mp is an issue for me. Those extra mp are just where I need them for native A3 printing

 

[Tcapp]

Still talking about the sensor......

There is much improved in the 5D Mark III to give us the shot we want...
And that's what counts.

Ah yes, the sensor.. Kind of important, don't you think?

While the 5D3 might be a great upgrade for people coming from the 7D, XXD, or the rebel line, it is a very underwhelming and disappointing upgrade for the 5D2 crowd.

Not everyone wants to pay 3500 bucks for fixed AF, ratebutton and more FPS.

The 1DS3 users still haven't got an upgrade path. The 1DX just is not a valid 1DS3 replacement, good camera though it might be. If the 1DX had the 5DIII style sensor that would have made it an awesome camera.

Not saying you are wrong, but how is it not a 5diii style sensor? Just because it is a few megapixles lower resolution? Isn't the sensor supposed to be the best canon has ever produced?

It might be the same technology as the 5DIII but going back to 18mp from near 22mp is an issue for me. Those extra mp are just where I need them for native A3 printing

Ok. I get what you are saying. They sacrificed resolution for speed and iso performance. That doesn't help studio photographers who use 1ds3. I got cha. So what would you consider a good upgrade path? Is resolution the only benchmark you care about for a 1ds3 upgrade?

 

[smithy]

Ok. I get what you are saying. They sacrificed resolution for speed and iso performance. That doesn't help studio photographers who use 1ds3. I got cha. So what would you consider a good upgrade path? Is resolution the only benchmark you care about for a 1ds3 upgrade?

As someone who has been torn between buying a used 1DS3 and a new 5D3, I'd say the things that made me NOT immediately buy the 1DS3 was the frame rate, LCD resolution and high ISO performance. These things have been addressed in the 5D3, but it still lacks the 1-series build quality, built in grip and lens drive performance. So... what I'm saying is if Canon were to update the 1DS3 with some of those nice little features that are in the 5D3, but keep all the good stuff like f/8 AF, etc, then that would be a great upgrade path IMHO.

As it is, I'm now looking at a used 1D4, but I'm not convinced I should go for a crop sensor. But that's another thread altogether and I don't want to hijack this one.

 

[briansquibb]

Ok. I get what you are saying. They sacrificed resolution for speed and iso performance. That doesn't help studio photographers who use 1ds3. I got cha. So what would you consider a good upgrade path? Is resolution the only benchmark you care about for a 1ds3 upgrade?

I would expect a camera that is stated to be a merging of the 1S4 and 1DS3 to be 22mp + all the features of the announced 1DX. That would be just awesome

 

[KeithR]

Yep, just what I thought, UV - not a damn' thing that justifies your opinion of yourself or your oh-so-high expectations.

To be absolutly clear about this: if you can't do everything you'd ever want to do photographically with the 5D Mk III, the camera's not the problem.

Face it - you're just a troll. You and your opinions certainly have zero credibility with me...

 

[briansquibb]

As someone who has been torn between buying a used 1DS3 and a new 5D3, I'd say the things that made me NOT immediately buy the 1DS3 was the frame rate, LCD resolution and high ISO performance. These things have been addressed in the 5D3, but it still lacks the 1-series build quality, built in grip and lens drive performance. So... what I'm saying is if Canon were to update the 1DS3 with some of those nice little features that are in the 5D3, but keep all the good stuff like f/8 AF, etc, then that would be a great upgrade path IMHO.

As it is, I'm now looking at a used 1D4, but I'm not convinced I should go for a crop sensor. But that's another thread altogether and I don't want to hijack this one.

The 1DS3 trundles along at 5fps which OK but not too exciting AF is very good - what should have been in the 5DII. ISO realistically is limited to iso 1600 (with H at 3200). The really good news is that iso800 and less is very clean indeed. It feels like an old camera to use, a bit like a 5Dc - however what it delivers within those parameters are top images - especially with good glass attached - this always seems to have the 200 f/2 attached and gives me that warm feeling when using it.

I see the 1D4 more as an update to the 7D. Iso performance good to 12800, fast AF etc. Better IQ than people give it credit for. A great photographic tool - but the 1DS3 gets my affection

If they could merge the best features from both with the 22mp sensor for $5000 Canon would be back in the game with the best all round camera

 

[UrbanVoyeur]

Yep, just what I thought, UV - not a damn' thing that justifies your opinion of yourself or your oh-so-high expectations.

To be absolutly clear about this: if you can't do everything you'd ever want to do photographically with the 5D Mk III, the camera's not the problem.

Face it - you're just a troll. You and your opinions certainly have zero credibility with me...

Ok. Your opinion is your own and is as valid as anyone else's. And I did say that I am sure that others could do what I do better and with lesser equipment. Fine with me.

But you toss about fair amount of inflammatory language, along with not a few personal insults. I've got a thick skin, so the stuff rolls off. Nevertheless, it coarsens the discussion and sucks the fun out a free flowing exchange of ideas. It might be worthwhile to consider how others read your posts and what you would think if the same level of vitriol was directed at you.

 

[RuneL]

Ok. I get what you are saying. They sacrificed resolution for speed and iso performance. That doesn't help studio photographers who use 1ds3. I got cha. So what would you consider a good upgrade path? Is resolution the only benchmark you care about for a 1ds3 upgrade?

As someone who has been torn between buying a used 1DS3 and a new 5D3, I'd say the things that made me NOT immediately buy the 1DS3 was the frame rate, LCD resolution and high ISO performance. These things have been addressed in the 5D3, but it still lacks the 1-series build quality, built in grip and lens drive performance. So... what I'm saying is if Canon were to update the 1DS3 with some of those nice little features that are in the 5D3, but keep all the good stuff like f/8 AF, etc, then that would be a great upgrade path IMHO.

As it is, I'm now looking at a used 1D4, but I'm not convinced I should go for a crop sensor. But that's another thread altogether and I don't want to hijack this one.

I use the 1D IV for some studio work and some products and what not, I'd really not go for it for those particular uses because of resolution. The crop sensor doesn't bother me but I'd not really care if it was full frame either. Either way is fine. I considered the D800 for a while till I realized that renting an MF and an IQ180 when I need it is cheaper and better in the long run than buying a metric S___ ton of nikon gear.