Damn, I’m still hanging out for a 35mm f1.2... would really suck if it was over a year away since no mention here..
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Hmm "so many" is a bit much I think. Actualy only 2 R bodys where introduced (R5 and R6) and I think only the R5 is suitable for professional use.We've had so many great bodies and lenses introduced in the last year or so, that one can almost feel spoiled to hear of further (& long) delays still to come!
But at least we've got CP+ to look forward to for whatever (if any) announcements come of it.
Here's hoping there's something good to hear!
It's called market segmentation.What I don´t really understand is why canon doesn´t offer affordable zoom lenses that don´t start at 4.0 or even 5.6 and go up to 7.1.
If the RF mount is so great how come that Tamron can offer for the "old" EF mount a 17-35mm 2.8-4.0 for 400-450 Euros/$ and a 100-400mm 4.5-6.3, for about 600 Euro/$ both very sharp lenses.
Now we are all waiting for canon lenses for the RF mount that are quite a bit darker (especially the 18-45 compared to Tamrons 17-35) and probably more expensive.
You can argue that the 50mm 1.8, 35 mm 1.8 and the 85mm 2.0 are good affordable prime options. But their affordable zoom lenses all are even darker than their EF siblings (eg 24-105 EF 3.5-5.6 vs. RF 4.0-7.1). If the RF mount is so great, why only make great 3000 $ lenses and NO good 500-1000 $ zoom lenses?
It's called market segmentation.
So far Canon is prioritizing lenses with the largest profit margins first before those with smaller profit margins. If I was building a lens collection from scratch I'd be very happy that they're pushing out mostly L lenses. These would be useful for at least 4 decades before a system change is commissioned.
They're leaving the smaller margin products to Sigma, Tamron, Tokina and other 3rd party lens brands.
Optical output is but one of the aspect of lenses. You have to consider focusing and stabilizing motor quality, build quality, water & dust resilience, durability and if it won't fail on you on a drop of a hat.
I do not expect cheap RF lenses to be that plentiful as the digital still camera market shrinks to largely professional and deep pocketed customers. This was the norm the year 2000 and we're going back there again.
This is all thanks to iPhone and Android smartphones
Well, I came from the Olympus system, where you had to wait for years for a EM1_II upgrade, only to get one with the same sensor, EVF, LCD and most everything else. So the R5 (which was desperately needed) and the R6 (which was also needed at a lower price point) within the same year is indeed "so many" IMHO. Maybe it's not as many bodies as Sony puts out, but they're better built bodies than Sony offers and I consider myself lucky to be able to enjoy a body as great as the R5.Hmm "so many" is a bit much I think. Actualy only 2 R bodys where introduced (R5 and R6) and I think only the R5 is suitable for professional use.
To get the R system realy moving I still miss a high resolution Camera R5s, a Sports Camera R1 and a video centric FF camera R5c thats not overheating. Looking at Sonys movement at the moment, I wish there where more bodies from canon.
Offtopic: did anyone try the wifi on the R5? Is it normal that a RAW takes 10 seconds+ to be transferred to a notebook? (So not usable in a commercial shoot with a client)
Ha, jeah ok, thats also trueWell, I came from the Olympus system, where you had to wait for years for a EM1_II upgrade, only to get one with the same sensor, EVF, LCD and most everything else. So the R5 (which was desperately needed) and the R6 (which was also needed at a lower price point) within the same year is indeed "so many" IMHO. Maybe it's not as many bodies as Sony puts out, but they're better built bodies than Sony offers and I consider myself lucky to be able to enjoy a body as great as the R5.
I get your point for an EOS R APS-C body. To have a stills body before the lens, but they do already have an RF APS-C video body out in the wild. The C70. So for a C70 user, it would make sense.I agree it would be but that's putting the cart before the horse don't you think?
Yeah, where is this lens? I don't understand why this wasn't one of the first to come out. And why aren't there any updates or mentions of it? The only excuse I can think of is that they are trying to something crazy with it.Damn, I’m still hanging out for a 35mm f1.2... would really suck if it was over a year away since no mention here..
Once 80% of the L lenses have an RF model then you'll see more STM lenses coming out. I'm thinking by year 2025?Thanks for your reply! You´re surely right about the segmentation. But it´s a bit frustrating for hoby photographers anyway, especially since there are not many third party lenses for the RF mount yet.
I just got the Tamron EF 35-150mm 2.8-4.0 for my EOS RP with the adapter. It´s really a great lense, it´s very sharp, the autofocus works well and it is weather sealed, but the best is the zoom range with quite bright 2.8-4.0. And all that for 700 Euros. But of course the AF is slower than the ones from the RF L lenses and the built quality of the RF L lenses shurely is a lot better, but for 3-4 times the price.
I think the C70 is super35 and not APS-CI get your point for an EOS R APS-C body. To have a stills body before the lens, but they do already have an RF APS-C video body out in the wild. The C70. So for a C70 user, it would make sense.
The other valid excuse starts with a C and end in oronaYeah, where is this lens? I don't understand why this wasn't one of the first to come out. And why aren't there any updates or mentions of it? The only excuse I can think of is that they are trying to something crazy with it.
it's actually not that odd. the Nikkor 18-35mm was well received. People are over thinking this. this will be Canon's cheap UWA lens. Probably smaller than the 17-40 and much cheaper.The RF 18-45 is an odd one. Could be an interesting lens for video shooters, especially when using the cropped 4k etc on the R/RP.
But for a wide angle stills lens it's a total non starter. It's not quite a 17-40 replacement, nor it is an affordable UWA option. They really need to hurry up with a good cheap wide angle for RF. Something like an EFS 10-18 type of deal. £2k+ for the RF 15-35 is not an option for most!
I really doubt there's a market for a $5.5K CINI camera and a slow variable zoom that most likely isn't optimized for video (can't be really with variable aperture).I get your point for an EOS R APS-C body. To have a stills body before the lens, but they do already have an RF APS-C video body out in the wild. The C70. So for a C70 user, it would make sense.
Jeah, but thats pretty much the same size. Not exactly, but in everydayuse I would say it acts close enough. =)I think the C70 is super35 and not APS-C
True, C70 is Super35, however, APS-C and Super35 is practically the same sensor size. So an APS-C lens will cover a Super35 sensor nicely.I think the C70 is super35 and not APS-C
What I don´t really understand is why canon doesn´t offer affordable zoom lenses that don´t start at 4.0 or even 5.6 and go up to 7.1.
If the RF mount is so great how come that Tamron can offer for the "old" EF mount a 17-35mm 2.8-4.0 for 400-450 Euros/$ and a 100-400mm 4.5-6.3, for about 600 Euro/$ both very sharp lenses.
Now we are all waiting for canon lenses for the RF mount that are quite a bit darker (especially the 18-45 compared to Tamrons 17-35) and probably more expensive.
You can argue that the 50mm 1.8, 35 mm 1.8 and the 85mm 2.0 are good affordable prime options. But their affordable zoom lenses all are even darker than their EF siblings (eg 24-105 EF 3.5-5.6 vs. RF 4.0-7.1). If the RF mount is so great, why only make great 3000 $ lenses and NO good 500-1000 $ zoom lenses?
Written like somebody who has no experience with modern Sigma and Tamron lenses.People buy cheaper because they don't know better which is sad.
Even If I know Canon has better offers with their lenses, it still doesn't make me buy the expensive Canon L glass as a hobbyist necessarily. I am very satisfied personally with the Sigma art lenses that I tried so far. Why is that sad?When Canon sets the bar so high, Tamron can't compete on quality so they have to figure out how to make an ok lens for less money. People buy cheaper because they don't know better which is sad.