*UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
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yunusoglu said:
You are right, 5D series was meant for studio shooters where AF and fps aren't so important but with latest releases/announcement I think they are re-building product lines (as you suggested).
What I think is that the new 5D will be aimed for those who want to have all features (a little crippled from 1D series) and high image quality - and doesn't need 12 fps, rugedness (& size, weight) of 1D.
They may release a crazy high Mpx camera for landscape/studio shooters. But they want tons of Mpx then they can go for medium format and get 60 Mpx digital back wall (or how it is called).
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m3tek44 said:
I think it depends on the specs - the better it is, the more Canon will likely charge. 22 MP with improved AF and 5 fps, likely same price or less that 5DII at launch - I'd guess $2500 for that. But 61-pt AF (same as 1D X) and 7.5 fps, I'd guess well north of $3K.
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idk, 7.5 fps sounds like wishful thinking, especially coupled with a good AF.
also given the very high resolution of the D800, I don't suppose canon is going to price the new 5 at the same level?
but then if prices of D800 and 5 are the same (more than $2500), my guess is that D800 will be better (D700 only had no resolution and no video, but now sides are reversed). so either the new 5 has incredible image quality (doubt it), or the D800 will just be better.
but this means that canon may have to price it lower (which is fine for me). in this case though, the high fps count and the supposedly good AF means it would take away sales from the 1DX because the price difference would be huge.
Then there's something wrong somewhere in what I wrote.
my guess is exactly fps.
oh btw more than gps it'd be cool to have integrated wifi. in a lot of situations wifi is enough to determine position. but it's also useful for other stuff.
edit: oh I just saw the D800 will have 4fps.. uhh yeah then a higher fps would make some sense for the 5. but it'd still need to be priced lower.
I mean I don't want to repeat myself but I expect the sensor on the D800 to be at least as good as the one on the 5. probably better. possibly much better.
also given the very high resolution of the D800, I don't suppose canon is going to price the new 5 at the same level?
but then if prices of D800 and 5 are the same (more than $2500), my guess is that D800 will be better (D700 only had no resolution and no video, but now sides are reversed). so either the new 5 has incredible image quality (doubt it), or the D800 will just be better.
but this means that canon may have to price it lower (which is fine for me). in this case though, the high fps count and the supposedly good AF means it would take away sales from the 1DX because the price difference would be huge.
Then there's something wrong somewhere in what I wrote.
my guess is exactly fps.
oh btw more than gps it'd be cool to have integrated wifi. in a lot of situations wifi is enough to determine position. but it's also useful for other stuff.
edit: oh I just saw the D800 will have 4fps.. uhh yeah then a higher fps would make some sense for the 5. but it'd still need to be priced lower.
I mean I don't want to repeat myself but I expect the sensor on the D800 to be at least as good as the one on the 5. probably better. possibly much better.
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Even if it's 7.5 fps the next 5D could have a small buffer and that would make perfect sense given the specs of 1D X. So you can shoot high fps but for a small amount of time and just for a few images.
That 7.5 fps could be with some tricks let's say like small jpegs or with focus locked on.
Those 5D expected specs would make this the first body for the photographers since it's well known that Canon never launched what we wanted.
That 7.5 fps could be with some tricks let's say like small jpegs or with focus locked on.
Those 5D expected specs would make this the first body for the photographers since it's well known that Canon never launched what we wanted.
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yunusoglu said:
Ironically, that's sort of why I think they won't, or if they do, it won't come close to the rumored spec list. I can buy a 1D X...if they announce a 5DIII with more MP than the 1D X, same AF as the 1D X, nearly the frame rate of the 7D, and at half the cost of a 1D X, I would quite possibly buy the 5DIII instead, meaning less ¥ for Canon. To me, that doesn't make fiscal sense for Canon...
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While the specs are very likable (61-point AF/7.5 fps), with an AF system that is similar to what Nikon has to offer in their D700 or the upcoming D800, this is simply too close spec-wise to the 1D X. This is seriously going to threaten both the 1D X's position, as well as the 7D (including it's successor) as a sports oriented, fast machine. A 5 fps is more reasonable. For the megapixels 22 is pretty good, I like how Canon decides to stay around this limit, however, can it compete against Nikon's much confirmed 36MP D800? We have yet to see how they perform... And by the way, from the leaked images, to me that's much of what the Mark III will look like and I am very impressed by how they modifies it and applies a 7D layout to it. It just looks more ergonomic and well designed than the Mark II.
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Specs look awesome, a bit too awesome if you ask me for the $ 2500 price range.
In order to keep it in the correct price range to make this camera a real sales wonder, they have to keep AF points under pro level, let's say around 15 cross type AF points, and under 7 fps, something like 4.5-5.5 fps.
In order to keep it in the correct price range to make this camera a real sales wonder, they have to keep AF points under pro level, let's say around 15 cross type AF points, and under 7 fps, something like 4.5-5.5 fps.
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I think the majority of people who "need" a 1Dx are going to get it anyway. There may be a few who opt for the 5D3, but those journalists/sports guys who absolutely need an indestructible camera will get it.neuroanatomist said:
I'm assuming that they know that they will bleed off a few potential 1Dx buyers, but that will probably be vastly outweighed by the number of people who see a great camera with great features as suddenly a must have. If they can convince a large number of 5D2 (plus xxD/xxxD) owners to upgrade even though they don't really need it, it's an on-balance huge win for them... not to mention if they bury Nikon. From what I'm reading, it looks to me like the latest round is clearly pointing towards Canon. The D4 doesn't look all that impressive and the D800... I know there are a lot of Nikon owners who are DEEPLY suspicious.
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I don't care much about fps, just want better AF (19 points will be just fine, if you ask me). 22 Mpx are enough for me, don't need more. BG with joystick would be nice, also GPS. Well, we have to wait until 7th febrary and we will know more 
Till then we can just speculate 
Till then we can just speculate
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neuroanatomist said:
+1
I am hopeful that Canon will not come with "crippled" models for market segmentation purposes but a mk 3 above 7 fps and 61 point AF costing more? I do not think they would have gone out with 1D X in the first place if mk3 specs were planned like that...
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smirkypants said:
Exactly: as I posted earlier, they'll take the whole thing into consideration:
- Plus profit from new buyers who would not have bought 1DX or gone to Nikon
- Plus profit from upgrades by existing Canon owners
- Minus lost profit from 1DX sales
If Canon thinks this is the best equation then they'll do it. In fact, <humor>maybe they pushed back the 1DX so as not to interfere with 5D3 sales 8) </humor>
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