*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I wonder how the marketing is going to spin the new 5D without the megapixels.

there must be something out there. I refuse to think that the rumors reflect all of the interesting stuff the new 5 is going to have.


purely photographic features like fps or autofocus are not good for marketing
- HD video was. now it's not good anymore, everybody has it
- resolution was. now it's not good for canon anymore, nikon has it.
- price/features ratio was. canon's first consumer digital dslr's had it, $3500? no thanks
- AF and FPS never have been. the 5d3 with 1dx AF? nikon always had pro fps in lesser bodies
- high ISO performance? yeah right, we only saw <1600ISO 1DX JPEGs at 18mp, what makes you think the 5d3 will be any better? I actually don't think even the 1DX will be that special.
- high DR performance? few people actually know what DR is, few realize what it means, and canon never had good DR. 2+ stop improvement is just not happening.

so what else? 4K video? never shot any video on my 5d2. maybe it would be useful for marketing. but it's not as big as first DSLR with HD video. video is already there. 4K is incremental. we know it's going to happen.
weather sealing? I'm happy with what the 5d2 offers (which is still something). not good for marketing.

there's also a whole list of features that are missing from 5d2 and I'm not sure whether or not canon will add to the 5d3. like programmable auto iso and auto iso in M mode.
and then everything from MagicLantern (if MagicLantern can do it, why can't Canon? Can't-on?

so I'm sure there will be improvements over 5d2. but they need some MARKETING thingy that everybody will talk about because "OMG LOOK at the new 5d3 it has #insertfeaturehere# let's not talk about the D800 anymore".

Marketing options:

The 22mp has been mentioned before as being an ideal figure for video purposes. Do you know how can training establishments buy 5D2's for training with, because it's so much cheaper than a full pro rig, and can provide almost the same results when used properly at a 5th of the price.

It still has dual card slot, which means it can still do double the video length that a 5D2 can

So, there's your first marketing gem. The D800 video is what?

AF system - if it is the exact version from the 1DX - um, i think that's a great marketing point for those who want 1DX for sports, wildlife etc but can't afford it. Oh hang, the 7D brigade won't be able to afford it? Yeah right - they'll make the stretch for the other features.

Nikon's AF system is what? Assuming the f8 feature will be sorted, the Nikon's will be trailing Canon in AF for the first time in a fair while - and you won't need a battery grip to get the extra FPS.

Talking of that Battery Grip - you know, the one that makes it look and feel just like a 1Dx with duplicated controls for portrait as well landscape mode?

How is Nikon's comparing to that? Oh it's not - it just bolts on the bottom and gives an extra few fps without and moulding for comfort? Damn, i thought you almost had me there!

22mp FF - yeah i know, that's a bitch isn't it? Not as good as 36mp, i'll give you that. But hang on - at what cost? Maybe Canon have a more rounded offer in the wing?

Do we know what ISO and DR this will be working with?

Do we know what price it will be coming out at?

So, we've killed off the D700 and D3, almost the D3s and the D4 - and this isn't even Canon's flagship camera.
Bugger, i thought this was a crumby replacement.

Such a shame it can't top 36mp. Oh hang on - that's all it can't do

Glad you don't work for Canon marketing, but i'm sure their whizz kids in Marketing have got even better spins on it than me...

Yeah, i'm now cleaning up all the kit that i don't need, including a pair of 5D2's to upgrade. Yeah, it's a real shitty upgrade isn't it! Be on to the local camera shop next week to pre-order mine!

 

[Arkarch]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

On Price ...
I was just over at WPPI in Vegas and now back at my office down the street.
I have not heard sirens and sounds of panic from wedding and portrait photographers... yet...

Ok my thoughts. I do expect a 10% break - maybe the "anchor pricing" approach. Or maybe Canon knows the demand... but when you get up to $3500 you are only $2499 away from a 1DX. Hmmm..

With three minutes left before WPPI close, I guess I cant make it back to hear the screams

 

[TexPhoto]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

If those are indeed the specs, I will hang onto my 5DII and put the money towards Pizza and Beer, I mean lenses.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

If these specs are true, then for $500 less you can opt for the Nikon D800. Am I the only one that is unimpressed so far by the rumors for the 5D MkII replacement? I mean the Mark II has been around for over 3 years, and its replacement seems to be a very modest, unimpressive boost in specs/features. Something tells me Nikon is going to be stealing a lot of Canon sales this year.

This is what I don't get....

Thinking of all the forum topics about the mkiii rumored specs and expectations - If i were a canon marketing rep reading all this and reporting back to canon with the header title of - "this is what people want," then this spec list is right on target!

behold (taken from http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3249.0.html-
High MP (30-36mp) body with price to match $3k 35 (15.1%)
Hi DR; mid MP (21-24mp) body with improved AF priced $2.5-3k 95 (40.9%)
Hi DR lower MP (18-21mp) body with great ISO priced $2300 -$2500 40 (17.2%)
Mini/crippled 1Dx @ $3000 23 (9.9%)
Awin's Shove it in Nikon's face 40MP+ monster priced at $3k 39 (16.8%

Now the specs we see today are potentially better what was asked for. Most of the responses said such things as, just give me a better AF and I'll be fine. If many of the other things are addressed (better DR, ISO, Weather sealing) then even more of a bonus. And there may be a few more bells and whistles in this beast that we don't know about. Like another poster here said, how do they market this beast? What will they be able to say that makes people draw their eyes from the d800? Well, the above could very well turn into one add, you asked and we responded! There are a lot of wedding photogs out there, and the 5d series is a mainstay in that trade - so i'd guess there are a few marketing campaigns ready to go...

With all that said, the cost is ugggggggg...but, remember this ---

While the d800 is $3000 - there is also the d800e at $3299.... $3300 is very close to $3500.

 

[sublime LightWorks]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

What is meant by: "Dual CF/SD Card Slots"? Both of each ? or CF+SD slot? Or not sure: maybe 2 x CF or 2 x SD? ???

One of each.

Oh I hate that crap. I really wanted 2 x CF. I just don't see the point of using 2 formats. I can understand it for peeps upgrading from a cam who have already SD's. Guess I'm turning back to the 1D X...

Of course, you could use an Eye-Fi in the SD and get wifi for less than any anticipated wifi adapter. Not a speedy solution, but it probably will work.

 

[Neeneko]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

kinda bummed. i make my living with a 5d 2 on a tripod with a cable release using manual ziess lenses. not sure how this will help me. Im sure something will come for me sooner or later.

Ooooh.. that actually sounds fun.

 

[skoobey]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Um, that's all well and fine, but... i stumbled upon this set of images that are all 6000x9000, and metadata says Canon 5d, not 5dII like other images from the same photographer.... so it makes me wonder... is there a 5dx on it's way?
http://blogs.vogue.es/clara-alonso/2011/10/hippie-chic/]
[url]http://blogs.vogue.es/clara-alonso/2011/10/hippie-chic/[/url]

 

[barryjphoto]

Trickle down my way…..

Here's to hoping there will be some 7D's being sold in the near future. Not as many 5Dll's I know but you can always hope.

 

[tooslick2k]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

stop complaining about the price... for god sake.
if you don´t have the money buy a rebel.

the camera will have a lot more improvements then what is listed here.
and im sure it´s worth the money.

+1 We have all said it time and time again, "I'll spend whatever If the AF is improved" Its looking like they did that. So why back out now? This is a much better camera than the epic 5DmkII if you cant afford it, wait or buy a 7d, If you can afford it money shouldn't be an issue considering the current spec list.

Also note that the D800 was rumored at $3900, and is msrp offically at $3000.

 

[gmrza]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

22mp FF - yeah i know, that's a bitch isn't it? Not as good as 36mp, i'll give you that. But hang on - at what cost? Maybe Canon have a more rounded offer in the wing?

How many people actually will be able to use 36MP? If you make huge prints, that will be great, but a 5DII already acquits itself quite well for 20"x30" prints. For instance, if your required output is for 11"x14" prints, you can happily use SRAW1 on a 5DII.
I don't believe there are lots of people who need 36MP. Keep in mind there is a difference between "need" and "want" or "would like".
I have to admit I am beginning to wonder if you don't actually need a larger sensor (i.e. MF) to really get the benefit of so many pixels.

 

[SomeGuyInNewJersey]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

stop complaining about the price... for god sake.
if you don´t have the money buy a rebel.

Isnt it hard to try and take the high road with complaining people by just whining and complaining about them and then trying to demean them?

the camera will have a lot more improvements then what is listed here.
and im sure it´s worth the money.

Well everyone who has misigivings about the rumored price must feel so humbled by such insight from your astute analysis. Your sureness of the rumored cameras worth and certainty of your as yet unknown but ever so valuable improvements must have really put people in their place.

My hypocritical bait taking on a hypocritical post is now over... I shall now lower myself by pressing post

 

[Ricku]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

22mp FF - yeah i know, that's a bitch isn't it? Not as good as 36mp, i'll give you that. But hang on - at what cost? Maybe Canon have a more rounded offer in the wing?

How many people actually will be able to use 36MP? If you make huge prints, that will be great, but a 5DII already acquits itself quite well for 20"x30" prints. For instance, if your required output is for 11"x14" prints, you can happily use SRAW1 on a 5DII.
I don't believe there are lots of people who need 36MP. Keep in mind there is a difference between "need" and "want" or "would like".
I have to admit I am beginning to wonder if you don't actually need a larger sensor (i.e. MF) to really get the benefit of so many pixels.

Having high MP count is all about the ability to crop your photos. with around 40mp, you can crop like crazy.

 

[Jimmy_D]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

well, since high resolution is out of the picture (bye-bye 36mp :-[) my hopes reside in the possibility of 1dx type weather sealing

 

[tooslick2k]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

stop complaining about the price... for god sake.
if you don´t have the money buy a rebel.

the camera will have a lot more improvements then what is listed here.
and im sure it´s worth the money.

I don't understand your complaint. People have invested a lot into their systems, and they truly believed that they were going to be able to have a somewhat affordable FF camera, and 3.5k is way out of reach for most people.

Sure we can be a used 5D2, but most people don't want a pre owned camera (lenses are a different story).

I don't think it's fair to say that people need to stop complaining about the price. It is an enormous increase from the previous model. Whether or not it's a smart financial move for Canon is a different story, but I say people have the right to feel a little upset.

With that logic, I want a 10,000 sqft house, but i dont want to spend the millions it costs on it. I dont want a preowned home....

If i can only afford a 3000sqft home then thats what I buy. Everyone wants more for nothing. This price is great considering the improvements. If you cant afford it, there are other cameras to buy.

 

[bestsides]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Has anyone heard anything about weight of the camera body? may not be an issue for most guys but I've waited on this camera so I could upgrade to full frame - hoping it comes in under the weight of the current 7D (Approx. 28.9 oz./820g body only).

 

[skoobey]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

HOW ABOUT A 4K VIDEO to justify the price, given how popular the 5dII was among filmmakers.

I think it's happening. 8)

 

[kenraw]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I can't believe that the specs have finally been released and now everyone is complaining about the price. Well for me as a wedding photographer the specs seem perfect and as I make money from photography the price is irrelevant whatever it is. If you want this camera for a hobby or to have the latest tech but don't like the price it's tough. Canon don't make pro camera's as a favour. The price hasn't even been announced by Canon anyway. My advice is if you don't make a living from your camera buy a 5dmk2 and some glass instead the IQ will be about the same, but better AF and dual cards are essential for paid work regardless of the price.

 

[RobS]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

i am a 100% studio photographer so i hoped for more MP because i don't care FPS and high ISO. For my agencies i need 18MP but i like to crop sometimes and still have 18MP with only 22MP and this price range this is no replacement for me at all. And if CR is right i will change to Nikon.

 

[Ricku]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Frame rates, noise, etc., are nice, but it's all worthless if over half your shots have missed focus.

The smartest thing Nikon did with the D800(E) was to use the D4's autofocus system, and I certainly hope that Canon follows suit by using the 1D X's autofocus system (not an impaired version of it) in the 5D2 replacement. If they do, I will be pre-ordering it the first second that it becomes available.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is what I have been thinking hundreds of times when 5D2 AF ruined my photos.

It is so annoying when you know that you have done everything right to get the perfect shot, but the camera AF failed you.

 

[sublime LightWorks]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

All the specs really look great, the only thing that I am a bit upset about is the price - $3500 seems high for the body only. I was expecting it to be a 20% increase from $2400 for the 5D2 to $2899 (max $3000) for the 5D3.

Let's hope that it's not $3500 body only!

For the $3500 I sure hope we are safe to assume it will be the full on 1DX AF and not some simplified version or some crappy performing AF sensor and logic that happens to have 61pts but is no good compared to the 1DX AF sensor and logic.

For the $3500 I hope we are safe to assume it will be the 6.9fps and not the 6fps mentioned at Northlight and damn well better not be 5fps or less.

22MP, 6.9fps, full 1DX AF would be pretty cool. It lacks the reach and detail of the D800 but gripless 6.9fps would be nice and hopefully the 1DX AF is awesome.

It also sets up one heck of a 5D4 in 2015 (39MP, 6.9fps, top 1 series AF?).

If they crippled the 1DX more than a trace or just used some poor performing 61pt sensor then not so hot though for $3500 considering all that the D800 has. If it is only 4 or 5fps that would be really weak too, even 6fps flat might start seeming a bit weak all the D800 has for $3000 so hopefully it's the 6.9fps.

We're going to find out soon enough.

When the rumored price was $3k, I was skeptical of the 1Dx AF being in the camera, as I felt the price and feature set would not justify what was needed to run that.

Now....at $3500, all I can say is it better have the 1Dx AF and metering, along with some decent weather sealing and the same kind of optional modules as the 1Dx. If it lacks some significant capabilities, it's going to be a dud.

That said, it's given me more justification to go 1Dx by the end of the year as my workhorse, sell my 5Dmk2 and grip, keep my 7D as my second DSLR body, and use the PhaseOne a lot more in studio. With the 5Dmk2 used market firming up, I could get $1900 for the body, grip, and extra battery and use that to help offset the difference of the 1Dx.

Now....if Canon would just release an SDK for iOS so we can stop having to use a freaking PC in the mix when controlling via an iPad.