*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

[Wahoowa]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Everyone needs to understand the difference between LIST and STREET prices. The Canon 5D Mark II when released listed for US$2799, however (rebates/sales excluded) usually streets for about US$2499 (body only). Average price range for the 5D II can be anywhere from $2000 to as high as $4000 with an extended kit, factoring in rebates and sales.

Adjusting the original 2008 list price of $2799 for inflation through now in 2012, the list price would land squarely at $3000 adjusted. So the difference is not really $1500 for better AF and an extra megapixel (and probably a vastly improved sensor like the 1D X's)...the difference when you adjust for inflation is about $500...which is FAR, FAR more reasonable if you ask me, and certainly easier to swallow than a $6800 price tag for the 1D X.

Nice....but.....

That logic does not hold for the 1Dx pricing when you analyze the 1D4 and 1DsIII that it supposedly replaced. Recalling, the 1D4 was $5000 list and the 1Ds3 was $9000 (or possibly higher), the average between the two is $7000+. Given your cost of inflation, the price should be even higher than the $7k average here.

It's not....it's $6800, despite a couple of years after the 1D4 and several years after the 1Ds3.

Also, the difference between list price and street price for the 5D2 was not there until 6-12 months after it was first available. If it was, it's not significantly. If the new 5D is released at $3500, I bet you would have to wait at least 6-12 months before you can grab one for under $3000.

 

[K-amps]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Am I the only one who reads the CR Guys rumour as *around* $3500? This could mean it may be released at less or in fact more.

So even though it's a CR3 rumour it's still not on 100% with the price. So for all you people who are dreading the
price, whining and crying at least understand that it still isn't confirmed yet.

Good catch... and if everyone is happy on CR with that price, it might go even higher

 

[dstppy]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Am I the only one who reads the CR Guys rumour as *around* $3500? This could mean it may be released at less or in fact more.

So even though it's a CR3 rumour it's still not on 100% with the price. So for all you people who are dreading the
price, whining and crying at least understand that it still isn't confirmed yet.

Good catch... and if everyone is happy on CR with that price, it might go even higher

Yep. And if it's MORE then that's absurd to leave the sub $3k FF market and it probably means a lower end FF coming out . . .

 

[JonJT]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It is looking like there is little reason to purchase the 1Dx over this camera, unless you are really rolling in it. Of course, this will finally depend on build quality, DR and ISO performance but, it's not looking good for the 1Dx, IMO.

 

[Neeneko]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

If only Nikon's lens lineup was as impressive as canon's...

Heh, I always find stuff like this ironic since the thing that keeps making me pondering jumping to Nikon is the lens availability rather then the bodies. Because Nikon's mount is more industry standard, a lot of exotic lenses are built for that mount that Canon does not see as important to their rather narrow market.

For example, there is not a single UV lens available for EF. Nor are there any sub f1.0 lenses.

 

[Warninglabel]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I'm Kinda happy about the Dual SD/CF slots (A little). I would like to have 2 CF slots, but they don't make eye-fi CF cards, and just maybe, I will be able to get the 5D to work with an I pad 3 instantly ;-) when it comes out.

 

[Wahoowa]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

For those of you who complain about dual CF/SD slots, would it be better for you if Canon just releases the body with only one CF slot? For me, I'm fine with it. The SD slot will be my backup slot that allows me to have some buffer time to switch CF cards.

I have long waited for this new 5D, however, I'm in the <$3000 camp. For $3500, I think I can find a decent used 5D2 for under $1700. The difference will be $1800 since the new 5D won't be available for under the released price when it first comes out. So, I can get a decent used L glass for $1800, which could be 70-200/2.8L II, 85L II, 14L II or even 24L TS-E. So, I'll stick with 5D2.

Anyway, I kinda agree that the new 5D2 won't be more than $3000, especially when D800 is $3000. Canon is always less expensive than Nikon, which is one of the reason why I switched from Nikon about 10 years ago.

Maybe, for $3500, it's the new 5D with a lens kit like 28-135 or 24-105L. Imagine how many it will sell!!! 8)

 

[BDD]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

While many of us rarely shoot above 1600 ISO I think it's good to have the ability to shoot in very low light situations. Where having the ability to get clean images at ISO 6400 or 12,800 would be useful. I usually stay at very low ISO (when possible) as that is where you usually get the best IQ. So, if Canon is not going to put out 2 versions of the 5D and put out a "5D3" (which I want) I hope they will also include the 1D-X's 100-51,200 native ISO spec. If they do...I'm ordering later this year. If not...bulky (w/ portrait grip) cameras here I come (D3s or D4 or 1D-X...in that order).

 

[awinphoto]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

22 pages in under 24 hours... well done guys.

 

[thewallbanger]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

In regards to the 5D3 price, I just wanted to remind everyone how in November Canon initially set the C300's price at $20,000 but prior to launch they reduced the MSRP to $16,000 based on competitive pressure (RED) and public outcry.

I remember the D800 was originally rumored at $3900. Perhaps Canon's $3500 tag was to compete with Nikon's rumored price?

$3500 certainly isn't set in stone. There's room to move.

 

[Musouka]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Damned if you do (high MP), damned if you don't (low MP). :-X

I look fondly back on those days when the DPB was in the spotlight. 8)

Maybe Canon would decide the number of MP by the number of pages CR generates in the first 24 hours

 

[awinphoto]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

In regards to the 5D3 price, I just wanted to remind everyone how in November Canon initially set the C300's price at $20,000 but prior to launch they reduced the MSRP to $16,000 based on competitive pressure (RED) and public outcry.

I remember the D800 was originally rumored at $3900. Perhaps Canon's $3500 tag was to compete with Nikon's rumored price?

$3500 certainly isn't set in stone. There's room to move.

Good point and I hope you are right.

 

[Arkarch]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

but they don't make eye-fi CF cards

But there are a few SD->CF adapters that work with Canon CF-card bodies. I use one for eye-fi on a 7D.

And given that a compatible adapter is easy to find, I think that argues again for CF x 2 or CF + XQD.

 

[JonJT]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

While many of us rarely shoot above 1600 ISO I think it's good to have the ability to shoot in very low light situations. Where having the ability to get clean images at ISO 6400 or 12,800 would be useful. I usually stay at very low ISO (when possible) as that is where you usually get the best IQ. So, if Canon is not going to put out 2 versions of the 5D and put out a "5D3" (which I want) I hope they will also include the 1D-X's 100-51,200 native ISO spec. If they do...I'm ordering later this year. If not...bulky (w/ portrait grip) cameras here I come (D3s or D4 or 1D-X...in that order).

Eh, I think a good deal of us do shoot above ISO1600. I do a lot of shooting indoors, in peoples houses, public buildings and gyms. It's hard to keep things below ISO1600.

 

[jeremymerriam]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I am surprised everyone is so focused on the high price increase. Has anyone been paying attention to food and commodity prices for the past 3+ years when the Mark 2 first hit the market? You really shouldn't be surprised. Inflation is rising rapidly. Our US dollars are becoming useless.

Instead of complaining with your voice, use the most powerful tool you have and don't buy it if you feel it is too high. If consumers stop placing so much demand on the markets, the markets have to eventually come down to what is feasible to the consumer. Too many bitch and moan, yet go out and buy the product as though their business cannot still thrive without the latest and greatest gear.

How did all of the great masters of photography thrive before all of these "great" gadgets and doohickeys? They adapted to their abilities and mastered them. How many of you even still use a lightmeter?

Spend your dollars wisely and you won't need to NEED any upgrade everytime a new "latest and greatest" model or piece comes out. Shoot, I still use PS3, LR2 and shoot with the original 5D. The only reason i ever upgrade is if something breaks or there is something that is more efficient and can make me more $$.

Master what you have and you will never have to worry about what the dude next to you has.

 

[milo]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

The downsized raw modes aren't making full use of the sensor, however we are all assuming that the megapickle monster will have inferior IQ. From what I've seen, the IQ and high ISO of the D800 is nothing short of staggering. NR has a comparison of high ISO between the D700 and D800.

The 5D3 has some very strong competition.

If only Nikon's lens lineup was as impressive as canon's...

Yeah, that is my impression too of the D800. Early impressions are that this will be an amazing camera. We won't know for certain for a few months, though.

On another note, whenever I come onto technical forums, I get the impression that people are looking for perfect photos right out of the camera. No crop, no editing. If that is how you shoot, then more power to you, but I crop the majority of my photos, sometimes severely, and have spent 10 hours+ editing a single photo. Sometimes you edit like crazy for artistic reasons, and sometimes you do it out of commercial necessity. (The former is a lot more fun!)

While nothing beats pure IQ for most editing, the more data you have in megapixels generally translates into the best photo if you are pushing and pulling the pixels in different directions while striving to make the photo look perfect right out of the camera.

 

[awinphoto]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I am surprised everyone is so focused on the high price increase. Has anyone been paying attention to food and commodity prices for the past 3+ years when the Mark 2 first hit the market? You really shouldn't be surprised. Inflation is rising rapidly. Our US dollars are becoming useless.

Instead of complaining with your voice, use the most powerful tool you have and don't buy it if you feel it is too high. If consumers stop placing so much demand on the markets, the markets have to eventually come down to what is feasible to the consumer. Too many bitch and moan, yet go out and buy the product as though their business cannot still thrive without the latest and greatest gear.

How did all of the great masters of photography thrive before all of these "great" gadgets and doohickeys? They adapted to their abilities and mastered them. How many of you even still use a lightmeter?

Spend your dollars wisely and you won't need to NEED any upgrade everytime a new "latest and greatest" model or piece comes out. Shoot, I still use PS3, LR2 and shoot with the original 5D. The only reason i ever upgrade is if something breaks or there is something that is more efficient and can make me more $$.

Master what you have and you will never have to worry about what the dude next to you has.

You are one brave person...

 

[jbwise01]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

The simple fact that We will know the exact specs. Price. And release date of the. 5dIII in less than a week is news to b be excited about

 

[Warninglabel]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

but they don't make eye-fi CF cards

But there are a few SD->CF adapters that work with Canon CF-card bodies. I use one for eye-fi on a 7D.

And given that a compatible adapter is easy to find, I think that argues again for CF x 2 or CF + XQD.

Yes they make a Adapter and I have one also, but they are slower and error out a lot (buffering) when shooting sports

 

[awinphoto]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

The downsized raw modes aren't making full use of the sensor, however we are all assuming that the megapickle monster will have inferior IQ. From what I've seen, the IQ and high ISO of the D800 is nothing short of staggering. NR has a comparison of high ISO between the D700 and D800.

The 5D3 has some very strong competition.

If only Nikon's lens lineup was as impressive as canon's...

Yeah, that is my impression too of the D800. Early impressions are that this will be an amazing camera. We won't know for certain for a few months, though.

On another note, whenever I come onto technical forums, I get the impression that people are looking for perfect photos right out of the camera. No crop, no editing. If that is how you shoot, then more power to you, but I crop the majority of my photos, sometimes severely, and have spent 10 hours+ editing a single photo. Sometimes you edit like crazy for artistic reasons, and sometimes you do it out of commercial necessity. (The former is a lot more fun!)

While nothing beats pure IQ for most editing, the more data you have in megapixels generally translates into the best photo if you are pushing and pulling the pixels in different directions while striving to make the photo look perfect right out of the camera.

Not to take anything away with the D800, it appears to be a very fine camera itself, but anyone remember when sony released it's 24MP crop camera and everyone was panicking saying it would crush the 7D and IQ and this and that... then once the camera finally produced and sent that camera out to the masses, you NEVER hear anything about that camera... Now i'm sure the D800 is undoubtedly going to have very good IQ, shoot is density is only around the 40D's density and many still praise the 40D's image quality, but there's chance the 5d3, being only 22MP could not only have even cleaner files, but be superior on low light as well. Plus another unknown is what Canon is adding/changing with DPP... what if they add features where you can increase resolution in the computer without losing IQ, much like fractals or such which would make everyone happy, allow for cropping, and use in larger publications but maintain superior IQ... There are so many assumptions and comparisons drawn already about 1 camera that hasn't even been released and 1 camera that hasn't officially even been announced. Now by all means next tuesday if/when any announcements come out, lets all compare to our hearts content.