*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

[DzPhotography]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I am surprised everyone is so focused on the high price increase. Has anyone been paying attention to food and commodity prices for the past 3+ years when the Mark 2 first hit the market? You really shouldn't be surprised. Inflation is rising rapidly. Our US dollars are becoming useless.

Instead of complaining with your voice, use the most powerful tool you have and don't buy it if you feel it is too high. If consumers stop placing so much demand on the markets, the markets have to eventually come down to what is feasible to the consumer. Too many bitch and moan, yet go out and buy the product as though their business cannot still thrive without the latest and greatest gear.

How did all of the great masters of photography thrive before all of these "great" gadgets and doohickeys? They adapted to their abilities and mastered them. How many of you even still use a lightmeter?

Spend your dollars wisely and you won't need to NEED any upgrade everytime a new "latest and greatest" model or piece comes out. Shoot, I still use PS3, LR2 and shoot with the original 5D. The only reason i ever upgrade is if something breaks or there is something that is more efficient and can make me more $$.

Master what you have and you will never have to worry about what the dude next to you has.

I think it's not the rumored price tag itself but the fact that Nikon has a better specification to a lower price that is the problem. If this specification is true 5D3 must be cheaper than D800.

Dude please :

 

[psolberg]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Can't believe everyone is getting so upset over a rumoured price. This is pretty much the exact spec I would like for a camera (shooting mostly weddings but also a bit of sports, live music, landscapes, etc etc). Not sure I'll be able to justify it for a little while yet.

Hope the high ISO is spectacular though - I often find myself shooting at high ISOs or pushing RAW files quite a way.

I really wonder how many people going on about the 36MP on a D800 would ever really make much use of it. Shot any ads to go on the side of buildings lately? Yes I know it helps with cropping and then making big prints, but I've made a beautiful looking 30"x20" print off a cropped shot on my 12MP Panasonic G1.

This reminds me of the D700 vs 5DII conversation. Everybody said 20MP was for billboards. I still don't know who actually even uses 20MP for other than cropping but I can accept studio and landscape guys want more detail because it is a good thing to have rather than to lack.

The way I see it, 22 MP is the new 12 and 36 is the new 22.

 

[KeithR]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I think it's not the rumored price tag itself but the fact that Nikon has a better specification to a lower price that is the problem.

Yeah, but if you think a spec sheet is going to give you better images, you're in for a disappointment.

Words are cheap.

 

[KeithR]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I still don't know who actually even uses 20MP

My pal Nigel Blake uses 1Ds Mk IIIs, primarily (and he has been very specific to me about this) because of the detail that 21 mps can capture.

The cropping advantage is a welcome addition, but the detail's the thing...

 

[psolberg]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I think it's not the rumored price tag itself but the fact that Nikon has a better specification to a lower price that is the problem.

Yeah, but if you think a spec sheet is going to give you better images, you're in for a disappointment.

Words are cheap.

marketing specs sell. to deny it is futile.

 

[DzPhotography]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I think it's not the rumored price tag itself but the fact that Nikon has a better specification to a lower price that is the problem.

Yeah, but if you think a spec sheet is going to give you better images, you're in for a disappointment.

Words are cheap.

marketing specs sell. to deny it is futile.

sell yes. Better pics no

 

[psolberg]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I think it's not the rumored price tag itself but the fact that Nikon has a better specification to a lower price that is the problem.

Yeah, but if you think a spec sheet is going to give you better images, you're in for a disappointment.

Words are cheap.

marketing specs sell. to deny it is futile.

sell yes. Better pics no

indeed but canon is in the business of selling cameras, not making pictures ;D

 

[KeithR]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

indeed but canon is in the business of selling cameras, not making pictures ;D

Yep - and once the spec sheets are seen for what they are (works of fantasy, in the main) the actual cameras have to stand for themselves...

 

[psolberg]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

indeed but canon is in the business of selling cameras, not making pictures ;D

Yep - and once the spec sheets are seen for what they are (works of fantasy, in the main) the actual cameras have to stand for themselves...

yes off course but that's how marketing works period. it is the same in every industry. look at cars. will buying a sports cars make me a better driver? off course not. are they going to stop selling cars on specs? hell no. because they sell!

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's funny that the Noink fanbois like bobn2 are now bleeting about moar megapickels are betterer, but when the D700 was released and Nikon was stuck at 12MP with 9 or 10 cameras it was all about "high ISO" and "per-pixel sharpness" and 100% crops from cams with different MPs. Now that the shoe is on the other foot they are now adopting the arguments used by the 5D2 camp against the D700 camp in 2008 ;D. I get a a laugh at these fanbois posting on the other side's forum hoping they could convert the "infidels" to their one true religion. : (Exhibit A: sdyue vs. bobn2 on the DPR fanboi forum).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

The only remaining details yet to be CR3'ed would be the FPS (jeez, Canon, no more decimal point FPS crap like 6.3/3.9/3.7/3.4 FPS on previous bodies, those "new" CIPA regulations date back to 2007, make it whole numbers like other manufacturers have done, if it's 7FPS make sure it does 7FPS on actual testing, if it's 8FPS, same thing, etc.) and native ISO range (NL has it at 100-25600, only a stop below the D1x's native range, and a stop above D4 and two stops above D800 native range).

In summary, this 5D specs get my vote as my personal "achievable dream all-around cam". 8)

Why on Earth do you care if the fps are not to the whole numbers? Would you rather then crippled a body capable of say 6.7fps down to 6.0fps just to get to a whole number? Come on! WHo cares about whole numbers, what does that do for you in the field??

 

[psolberg]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's funny that the Noink fanbois like bobn2 are now bleeting about moar megapickels are betterer, but when the D700 was released and Nikon was stuck at 12MP with 9 or 10 cameras it was all about "high ISO" and "per-pixel sharpness" and 100% crops from cams with different MPs. Now that the shoe is on the other foot they are now adopting the arguments used by the 5D2 camp against the D700 camp in 2008 ;D. I get a a laugh at these fanbois posting on the other side's forum hoping they could convert the "infidels" to their one true religion. : (Exhibit A: sdyue vs. bobn2 on the DPR fanboi forum).

yup. goes to show that if all you're doing is rationalizing your purchase because of how it makes the other side look, everything you ever said will come back to hunt you when the inevitable leapfrog happens. no camera company stays on top for long. I expect the canon boys to be low light priests for the next 3 years before they switch religions again.

 

[bornshooter]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's funny that the Noink fanbois like bobn2 are now bleeting about moar megapickels are betterer, but when the D700 was released and Nikon was stuck at 12MP with 9 or 10 cameras it was all about "high ISO" and "per-pixel sharpness" and 100% crops from cams with different MPs. Now that the shoe is on the other foot they are now adopting the arguments used by the 5D2 camp against the D700 camp in 2008 ;D. I get a a laugh at these fanbois posting on the other side's forum hoping they could convert the "infidels" to their one true religion. : (Exhibit A: sdyue vs. bobn2 on the DPR fanboi forum).

+1

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I spose Canon will have the advanatge that they can include the 24-105 IS as a kit lens and still utilise alot of the new sensors resolution where as Nikon likely won't be able to with the 24-120 VR.

I doubt that.
And you forget that the 24-105 IS doesn't deliver sharp edge to edge performance on the 5D2, not even stopped down, at the wide end.

 

[Otter]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet as I haven't read through all 25 pages on this post. There is a Chinese web site/camera store that is claiming the "5DX" has these specs :

Body features: full frame digital SLR
Effective pixels: 45 million
Release date: February 2012
Mode of operation: manual operation
Imaging Processor: DIGIC 5 + DIGIC 4
Focus Points: 61 points

sourced from here : http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdetail.zol.com.cn%2Fdigital_camera%2Findex312043.shtml

This looks like more of a $3500 camera then the original specs posted.

 

[kubelik]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

The only remaining details yet to be CR3'ed would be the FPS (jeez, Canon, no more decimal point FPS crap like 6.3/3.9/3.7/3.4 FPS on previous bodies, those "new" CIPA regulations date back to 2007, make it whole numbers like other manufacturers have done, if it's 7FPS make sure it does 7FPS on actual testing, if it's 8FPS, same thing, etc.) and native ISO range (NL has it at 100-25600, only a stop below the D1x's native range, and a stop above D4 and two stops above D800 native range).

In summary, this 5D specs get my vote as my personal "achievable dream all-around cam". 8)

Why on Earth do you care if the fps are not to the whole numbers? Would you rather then crippled a body capable of say 6.7fps down to 6.0fps just to get to a whole number? Come on! WHo cares about whole numbers, what does that do for you in the field??

it's amazing the kinds of things people can focus on to convince themselves they ought not to be happy with something. truly, I find it astounding.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

What's not to understand? 22MP is a full 22.2% more than 18MP - this is still a substantial difference. the 1Dx photosites effectively gets approx 22% more light. This helps with high ISO, and also there's less data to move into the CF cards. It's all about high ISO and fast frames per second. Great for sports, news & reportage.

Yeah but the total surface area is the same so there is no 22% loss overall. There might be a touch of a less you get more area taken up with transistors and stuff but it is not 22% and with more pixels you can apply more advanced NR so there may not even be any loss at in the end whatsoever.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's all good.... my 7D is plenty enough for now and I must say 22mp can't be the real number given the D800 specs... Why would Canon develop a sensor of this size when the 18mp 1Dx sensor would suit just fine AND lower costs??? A 4mp difference is stupid, so I'm calling bull on these specs.

The sensor has to either be:

Crazy high mp equal or higher than the D800
1Sx sensor @ 18mp

This makes very good sense. I cant either understand why they would have a 18MP and a 22MP sensor.
Perhaps they have designed them completely different with lower read noise and DR for the 22MP and only focused at high ISO for the 18MP sacrifying over all image quality?
Or perhaps they just sacrified IQ at all ISO for the 18MP to be able to get higher FPS?

Why would an 18 Megapixel sensor "just sacrifiece IQ at all ISO"? surely it would make it easier to improve image quality at higher ISO's while also allowing for faster FPS.

Each sensor seems like its tailored to its purpose for me, the 1DX likely having better ISO/FPS and the 5D3 better Resolution/Video.

I'm sure marketing is a big issue aswell, even if the 1DX sensor offered superior actual resolution to the 5D mk2 it would be difficult to sell a reduction in megapixels.

I just pointing out the strangenest with the small difference of a 18MP and 22MP sensors.
If there shall be any difference between them then they must have been designed very differently. If they have almost the same design but just different pixel size the 22MP will be the better one at all ISO, but it will be very close to a neglectable difference - So better use the same sensor for both.

One simple answer could be that the sensors are close to the same but they made a choice to sacrify IQ, of the 18MP, at all ISO to get the higher FPS. The sacrify would be very close to neglectable anyway. But then again - why not just use the same sensor for both

Another answer could be that they have a total different design. Then perhaps the 18MP could be targeted towards absolute best possible high ISO and the 22MP targeted toward hights possble DR. Then the 22MP could have a sligth edge at low ISO and the 18MP could have a slight edge at high ISO. It could also be the the oppisite but that sounds more unlikely.

Another horrible possibility is that the 18MP has a new improved design and the 22MP use the same poor technology they now have been using for many years with small upgrades for new generations. In this case the 22MP may only be a very minor improvement to the old 21MP while the 18MP is a significant improvement.
But why would they be stupid to do such a thing when it would result in very bad sales for 5D3.

No, I cant get it with the very strange small difference between the 18 and 22MP. We will have to wait and see.

22MP might work well for video and perhaps they just didn't quite have enough processing power to let 22MP hit 12fps and they didn't want to lose FPS face on the top end beast?? But since the 1DX can do 14fps wthout mirror that let it do 12fps at 21MP so over a 1MP loss it does all seem very odd indeed.

 

[skitron]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet as I haven't read through all 25 pages on this post. There is a Chinese web site/camera store that is claiming the "5DX" has these specs :

Body features: full frame digital SLR
Effective pixels: 45 million
Release date: February 2012
Mode of operation: manual operation
Imaging Processor: DIGIC 5 + DIGIC 4
Focus Points: 61 points

sourced from here : http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdetail.zol.com.cn%2Fdigital_camera%2Findex312043.shtml

This looks like more of a $3500 camera then the original specs posted.

That '5DX' page also has a link to a '5D3' page with these specs:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/240/239857/param.shtml&usg=ALkJrhicf4v8DpD8Qph9OwwXjnk5xC31WA

 

[mvpstudios]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I have to agree that this seems like a giant jump in price if it is truly only going to 22mp. I would think they would have been planning for a good comparison to the D800. Not that I need 36 megapixels, but if the specs listed here are accurate, I don't see the huge benefit really. Especially if it is $3500, I would definitely spend the extra cash and get the 1Dx. I know there are more than just pixels with improvements to the 5D II, but I'm curious to see if I can be convinced that it is worth that much money. I'm going from a 7D, so moving to full frame should be a big difference for me as it is.

Now, I'm really curious to see the ISO difference, that could be the kicker. I was just editing some photos that I took in low light with the 7D and the noise is bugging. I guess it makes sense to see the whole picture (no pun intended) and decide then.

Looking at another post just written, I have to agree, my bet is that the 22mp number is not accurate. Hopefully we do get to find out next week! I'm also curious as to when I can actually get the camera should I try to upgrade, the 1Dx seems to be taking forever with no end in sight.