*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

For those of you who complain about dual CF/SD slots, would it be better for you if Canon just releases the body with only one CF slot? For me, I'm fine with it. The SD slot will be my backup slot that allows me to have some buffer time to switch CF cards.

I have long waited for this new 5D, however, I'm in the <$3000 camp. For $3500, I think I can find a decent used 5D2 for under $1700. The difference will be $1800 since the new 5D won't be available for under the released price when it first comes out. So, I can get a decent used L glass for $1800, which could be 70-200/2.8L II, 85L II, 14L II or even 24L TS-E. So, I'll stick with 5D2.

Anyway, I kinda agree that the new 5D2 won't be more than $3000, especially when D800 is $3000. Canon is always less expensive than Nikon, which is one of the reason why I switched from Nikon about 10 years ago.

Maybe, for $3500, it's the new 5D with a lens kit like 28-135 or 24-105L. Imagine how many it will sell!!! 8)

It does seem odd that it would be $500 more when the specs between the two appear to basically avg out to the same overall (and if the Nikon ends up with better DR and the canon doesn't have 7fps or they crippled the 1DX AF then the Nikon would clearly look better and the $500 increase would really, really be tough to swallow and if two or three of those at once then just wow).

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

The only remaining details yet to be CR3'ed would be the FPS (jeez, Canon, no more decimal point FPS crap like 6.3/3.9/3.7/3.4 FPS on previous bodies, those "new" CIPA regulations date back to 2007, make it whole numbers like other manufacturers have done, if it's 7FPS make sure it does 7FPS on actual testing, if it's 8FPS, same thing, etc.) and native ISO range (NL has it at 100-25600, only a stop below the D1x's native range, and a stop above D4 and two stops above D800 native range).

In summary, this 5D specs get my vote as my personal "achievable dream all-around cam". 8)

Why on Earth do you care if the fps are not to the whole numbers? Would you rather then crippled a body capable of say 6.7fps down to 6.0fps just to get to a whole number? Come on! WHo cares about whole numbers, what does that do for you in the field??

Because it's annoying to read that the 5D2 can do 3.9FPS instead of 4FPS, when all they have to do is make sure that the FPS timing and testing methodology conforms to CIPA 2007 standards. This is the reason why the 40D's 6.5FPS was actually tested to be just 6.3FPS, and why the 50D was subsequently spec'ed at 6.3FPS. It's as annoying as Canon Rebels "improving" their FPS from 3FPS to a staggering 3.5, then back down to 3.4, and then back up to 3.7.

My point is if a model makes 6.9FPS, it would look better if it does 7FPS, a nice whole number for the marketing spec sheets. (And you seem to favor it as well since you used 7FPS above instead of "6.912762322345281014" FPS as in the CR3 rumor ). Get it now? Relax, chill out. :

 

[awinphoto]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

The only remaining details yet to be CR3'ed would be the FPS (jeez, Canon, no more decimal point FPS crap like 6.3/3.9/3.7/3.4 FPS on previous bodies, those "new" CIPA regulations date back to 2007, make it whole numbers like other manufacturers have done, if it's 7FPS make sure it does 7FPS on actual testing, if it's 8FPS, same thing, etc.) and native ISO range (NL has it at 100-25600, only a stop below the D1x's native range, and a stop above D4 and two stops above D800 native range).

In summary, this 5D specs get my vote as my personal "achievable dream all-around cam". 8)

Why on Earth do you care if the fps are not to the whole numbers? Would you rather then crippled a body capable of say 6.7fps down to 6.0fps just to get to a whole number? Come on! WHo cares about whole numbers, what does that do for you in the field??

it's amazing the kinds of things people can focus on to convince themselves they ought not to be happy with something. truly, I find it astounding.

Pure and simple... it's pure psychological nonsense... just like stores pricing things like $4.99 instead of $5, whole numbers jump out at people more than fractions... most people cant process fractional numbers as quickly so they tend to round down in their mind rather than round up... so in their minds eye 7 FPS will always be more significant than 6.9 FPS even though it's only .1 FPS off... it's a mind trick.

 

[moreorless]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I spose Canon will have the advanatge that they can include the 24-105 IS as a kit lens and still utilise alot of the new sensors resolution where as Nikon likely won't be able to with the 24-120 VR.

I doubt that.
And you forget that the 24-105 IS doesn't deliver sharp edge to edge performance on the 5D2, not even stopped down, at the wide end.

It doesnt deliver perfect performance I agree but it delivers what many users would consider acceptable performance where as the 24-120 seems likely to be very underwhelming on the D800 indeed.

Even on FF I'd guess theres a very significant number of users who never go beyond the kit lens.

 

[Smith]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Whenever a high MP camera comes out you always see the same comments. "If you don't print big you don't need more megapixels." People who don't do commercial product or fashion work don't get the fact that it's not about printing big but the ability to edit in post.

I also do a lot of Photoshop editing and cropping and higher megapixel cameras are very helpful for this. Sometimes it's just not possible to get something perfect in the camera because you just don't know how your client is going to want to use the picture. I intentionally leave a bit of room so the composition can be slightly changed and copy added. Low megapixel cameras are bad for editing because the picture will turn to mush after a little bit of work. For example, if you try to lightly edit a model's skin it will easily turn to plastic with no texture. With 36MP you can zoom in and dodge and burn a specific flaw without messing up the skin texture.

The downsized raw modes aren't making full use of the sensor, however we are all assuming that the megapickle monster will have inferior IQ. From what I've seen, the IQ and high ISO of the D800 is nothing short of staggering. NR has a comparison of high ISO between the D700 and D800.

The 5D3 has some very strong competition.

If only Nikon's lens lineup was as impressive as canon's...

Yeah, that is my impression too of the D800. Early impressions are that this will be an amazing camera. We won't know for certain for a few months, though.

On another note, whenever I come onto technical forums, I get the impression that people are looking for perfect photos right out of the camera. No crop, no editing. If that is how you shoot, then more power to you, but I crop the majority of my photos, sometimes severely, and have spent 10 hours+ editing a single photo. Sometimes you edit like crazy for artistic reasons, and sometimes you do it out of commercial necessity. (The former is a lot more fun!)

While nothing beats pure IQ for most editing, the more data you have in megapixels generally translates into the best photo if you are pushing and pulling the pixels in different directions while striving to make the photo look perfect right out of the camera.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Exactly my point. 7FPS would look better than "6.987654321" FPS on the brochures. Jeez, lighten up. :

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Well suppose those specs are true. It seems to me that you get most of a 1Dx for half the price. 61 pt AF, a few more megapixels, dual card slots. Sounds like a true pro camera to me, not just prosumer. IMO $3500 is not a bad price at all to start with.

Seems to me that, unless you need high fps or the extra build quality, there's really no need for the 1Dx.

If I were Canon I'd put in 19 point AF to distinguish the product lines more. But I'm not Canon.

I'm glad Canon may no longer be you. 19pt crippled 7D AF and 22MP would start looking silly at $500 more than the D800 no? And then imagine how much sillier to one, two, three years from now (it's not like they will introduce the 5D4 next spring).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's not about the money, money, money... :

Hah I think you missed the point of that song.

 

[jalbfb]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I must have clicked onto CR yesterday just after this was posted because there were no responses. I came back to the site a few minutes later and there were 7 pages already. I have read just about every post and like most I was initially taken aback and, quite frankly, a little disappointed by the rumored price. However, I was one of the ones voting for better AF and better AF Canon has appeared to have delivered. I personally will wait for the official release info and then for actual practical use with the new 5D before taking the plunge and getting one and selling my 5dII. I wonder what added little features will be discovered that will make me feel less guilty at buying one: electronic leveler like the 7D?, in camera wireless control for off camera speedlights? etc. I remain hopeful that the initial price will be lower and that somewhere soon along the way a canon discount will crop up. Regardless, I will be getting one of these puppies at some point before the end of the year unless it proves to be a real dog. A price lower than the rumored one will push me to get one sooner. FWIW.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

sell yes. Better pics no

If you are shooting a distant bird actually it would make for better pics. And what if it ends up with 2 stops better DR? Hopefully it won't, but if it does, then in some cases it could lead to better pics and more flexibility to shoot things that you might otherwise avoid. etc.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Those getting insecure because of the D800 would just have to repeat the mantra of the Noink fanbois from 2008: "High ISO is the new megapixels", 'High ISO is the new megapixels"... "12MP 22MP is more than enough for everyone" "12MP 22MP is enough for everyone"...

Or, they can repeat what DPR said in the 50D review: "At this point, the megapixel race should already stop (at 15MP, because obviously their favorite brand was at that time stuck at 12MP ).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's funny that the Noink fanbois like bobn2 are now bleeting about moar megapickels are betterer, but when the D700 was released and Nikon was stuck at 12MP with 9 or 10 cameras it was all about "high ISO" and "per-pixel sharpness" and 100% crops from cams with different MPs. Now that the shoe is on the other foot they are now adopting the arguments used by the 5D2 camp against the D700 camp in 2008 ;D. I get a a laugh at these fanbois posting on the other side's forum hoping they could convert the "infidels" to their one true religion. : (Exhibit A: sdyue vs. bobn2 on the DPR fanboi forum).

You seemed to have missed the minor point where those such as bob2n had never been going on about high ISO being better due to low MP and per-pixel sharpness....

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet as I haven't read through all 25 pages on this post. There is a Chinese web site/camera store that is claiming the "5DX" has these specs :

Body features: full frame digital SLR
Effective pixels: 45 million
Release date: February 2012
Mode of operation: manual operation
Imaging Processor: DIGIC 5 + DIGIC 4
Focus Points: 61 points

sourced from here : http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdetail.zol.com.cn%2Fdigital_camera%2Findex312043.shtml

This looks like more of a $3500 camera then the original specs posted.

That '5DX' page also has a link to a '5D3' page with these specs:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/240/239857/param.shtml&usg=ALkJrhicf4v8DpD8Qph9OwwXjnk5xC31WA

That is the old fake rumor from over a year ago again.

 

[tt]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

UK folks - can you do me a favour and see if your supplier has had a chat with Canon yet? I've heard Canon's been speaking to folks in the run up to Focus about more information. Seems if you ask about a preorder list/any more info, they might have a bit more to say.
Just a feeling

 

[DJL329]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Wow, lots of comments about the CF/SD cards. Most of the 1D/1Ds bodies had this configuration (the earliest models only had a single CF). The 1DX is actually the first Canon dSLR to have dual CF, but some folks expect the 5D3/X to have the same configuration, instead of the one passed down from the 1D/1Ds?

I remember posts last year from 1D/1Ds shooters who were upset that they were going to lose the SD card slot with the 1DX!

 

[sjprg]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

With 22MP its useless to me. I want the 45MP, 1FPS is fine.
A Nikon I will go, A Nikon Iwill go, Hi HO the merrier I go.
The D800E is on order.

 

[awinphoto]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

With 22MP its useless to me. I want the 45MP, 1FPS is fine.
A Nikon I will go, A Nikon Iwill go, Hi HO the merrier I go.
The D800E is on order.

Well good luck and goodbye ;D ;D ;D Hear that guys? he's leaving woo hoo!

 

[clicstudio]

Ridiculous...

Why would Canon do this? Years of wait for 1 more MP and a 0.2" bigger screen and an AF system that should have come years ago...
The same disappointment I got with the iPhone 4s. Everybody has these gorgeous 4" smartphones and Apple choose to make us wait yet another year for something really good.
Who will pay $3500 for a small body when u can get a D800
For $2000?
I wouldn't. I'm waiting for my 1D IV replacement with a 1D X but this 5D is a joke.
How about a real studio camera? 36MP are great. Who cares about sensor pixel size or noise when u got 50% more data to play with... Bigger is better, more is more.
What about a Professional Canon 3D with a lot of MP and studio focusing system for $3000?
Canon loses this time. sorry

 

[SandyP]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I'm so tired of hearing people flip flopping and getting up on their soap box and announcing "Canon loses" or "I'm going to Nikon". How does it REALLY matter?

Hell, the most moving and memorable images burned into the minds of most people on our planet, let's say "Top 100 photos of all time", are most likely ALL film. Taken decades (or longer) ago, on cameras that are laughable compared to ANYTHING we have now. In terms of features, abilities and technology, even usability and reliability. What does that say, truly, about GOOD photography that MATTERS?

Are you a photographer, or are you a tech head who actually doesn't REQUIRE any of this because it the D800, 1DX, D4, or digital Hassleblad won't make your images truly any better.

???



I for one, based on these rumored specs, are OK with the 5D Mark III. Assuming they're even real specs. I make a living off of photography, I do various types. Mostly portraits, some fashion and beauty, and documentary work (along with weddings in the summer months). I also print my work, large, for galleries and clients, on various mediums such as photo paper, canvas and fine art materials (even metal and wood once).

We don't know the DR, we don't know the ISO, and we don't a ton of other stuff, let alone the ACTUAL specs (again, this is a rumor, a CR3'd rumor, but still a rumor).

It's just so hilarious to sit here for days, have a coffee, read through some rumors, see what other photographers are saying about them... you get a few different types of people really. The most comical is the person, on any forum really, who types up a bunch of garbage about switching systems, or being so fed up with the changes, or lack of changes. OK, fine. How in the world is any other camera going to make your photos better? How is getting the 5D3, or NOT, going to make you a better photographer? The D800E, D800, 1Dx, D4? Answer: it won't help.

The reason why, on twitter and other bigger forums, you don't see the seasoned pros or working photographers complaining about much, is because they understand this simple notion. You get caught up in all the gear talk, and all the #s, and it truly, at the end of the day, doesn't mean much. The reason we get new cameras, and want to "upgrade" is because we can, and because sometimes it gives us new tools, and it's fun to have new things that we truly love, like cameras and lenses. But we never should lie to ourselves and say or believe that owning the 5D3, or a PhaseOne, or D4 is going to make us a better photographer.

No one is going to look back on their career, put up a gallery show and say "right here, this is when you can tell I got the 5D3, or switched to the D800, it shows in my work". Blah blah blah.


I don't even believe most of what I read when you have someone boasting about changing sides or "needing" something MORE, MORE MORE! Always MORE!

No one is ever truly happy, right? I say.... I can't wait for what Canon, Nikon or anyone else brings us. If we can properly use any of these tools, then let's go for it, but let's not pretend it means much more.

My 5D2 has been through hell, I bought it the month it was on the market. It's so banged up and wonderfully used. My back up is an old 40D, which I never use, and has had some problems before. I don't trust it. Getting a 5D3, or the 1Dx makes sense for me in a lot of ways, but I'm not going to pretend it is going to make me a better photographer, or make my work more accessible to clients or galleries.

 

[RedEye]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

ok ok ok already Let's let good old boy canon release their product so a real conclusion can be drawn. I know there is sovereignty of the consumer, but let's not become plutocratic. Lets all just pretend that we're Lecia users and love the company no matter what happens or how infrequent the release is.