*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

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GL said:
bbe said:
And what about a flash? Is nobody curently using a mark II missing the little popup flash?

I wouldn't buy the MkIII if it had popup flash (which thankfully it doesn't).

WHy not? Supposing it does everything you want but it also has a pop-up flash? You seriously wouldn't get it??

Pop-up can be life-saver too when the unexpected happens. Some people hardly ever shoot with flash and don't liek lugging one around and yet once in a while it can really save a photographic opportunity. Why would you be against that too?
 
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Maxis Gamez said:
People talk all the time about the AF of the 5D MKII not being so great and so on but with a good technique anything can be possible. Here are few images.

I love my 5D MKII that's for sure!

First off, great photos. Love the bald eagle, fantastic shot!

As for "anything can be possible", sure, but thats not the point. Every one of your shots is center focused, and thats one of the complaints I've heard from many bird photographers that the 5D II AF doesn't really offer much in the way if in-flight AF tracking without limiting composition options. Generally speaking, better, faster AF systems improve the amount of keepers as well, limiting how frequently you encounter out of focus shots and the like. Finally, the ability to AF track at a high framerate increases the chances of getting an awesome shot with intriguing pose or other characteristics in focus.

Sure, anything is possible...but its more the ease of getting that great shot than it simply being possible that having a nice AF system brings to the table.
 
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jrista said:
Maxis Gamez said:
People talk all the time about the AF of the 5D MKII not being so great and so on but with a good technique anything can be possible. Here are few images.

I love my 5D MKII that's for sure!

First off, great photos. Love the bald eagle, fantastic shot!

As for "anything can be possible", sure, but thats not the point. Every one of your shots is center focused, and thats one of the complaints I've heard from many bird photographers that the 5D II AF doesn't really offer much in the way if in-flight AF tracking without limiting composition options. Generally speaking, better, faster AF systems improve the amount of keepers as well, limiting how frequently you encounter out of focus shots and the like. Finally, the ability to AF track at a high framerate increases the chances of getting an awesome shot with intriguing pose or other characteristics in focus.

Sure, anything is possible...but its more the ease of getting that great shot than it simply being possible that having a nice AF system brings to the table.

You do understand that the 5D MKII was designed for landscapes, studio and pretty much anything that doesn't move fast. So why the argument over a slow AF if most people including myself uses the camera specifically for that. In fact, I often create landscapes in manual focus.

That's why we have the 7D and Mark IV.

PS: Some of the images I create with the 5D MKII were created using all 9 focusing points. Again, a good understanding of your camera availability and a good focusing including tracking, the camera will perform just fine.

I use it all the time with my Canon 800mm with great success. Check out my website to see more images created with this camera and 7D. www.gvisions.org

Thanks!
 
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Maxis Gamez said:
jrista said:
Maxis Gamez said:
People talk all the time about the AF of the 5D MKII not being so great and so on but with a good technique anything can be possible. Here are few images.

I love my 5D MKII that's for sure!

First off, great photos. Love the bald eagle, fantastic shot!

As for "anything can be possible", sure, but thats not the point. Every one of your shots is center focused, and thats one of the complaints I've heard from many bird photographers that the 5D II AF doesn't really offer much in the way if in-flight AF tracking without limiting composition options. Generally speaking, better, faster AF systems improve the amount of keepers as well, limiting how frequently you encounter out of focus shots and the like. Finally, the ability to AF track at a high framerate increases the chances of getting an awesome shot with intriguing pose or other characteristics in focus.

Sure, anything is possible...but its more the ease of getting that great shot than it simply being possible that having a nice AF system brings to the table.

You do understand that the 5D MKII was designed for landscapes, studio and pretty much anything that doesn't move fast. So why the argument over a slow AF if most people including myself uses the camera specifically for that. In fact, I often create landscapes in manual focus.

That's why we have the 7D and Mark IV.

PS: Some of the images I create with the 5D MKII were created using all 9 focusing points. Again, a good understanding of your camera availability and a good focusing including tracking, the camera will perform just fine.

I use it all the time with my Canon 800mm with great success. Check out my website to see more images created with this camera and 7D. www.gvisions.org

Thanks!

Sure, we all understand that the 5D II AF was not designed for action on any level. The complaint I think most potential 5D III buyers have is that Canon has been extremely lax with the AF on the 5D line, in comparison to the competition. Most prosumer Nikon bodies have far more advanced AF than on any xxxD, xxD, and even the 5D II body. A lot of Canon users, including myself, ask the question:

How can Canon keep calling the 5D line a professional camera body when its been perpetually gimped by the most atrocious AF system Canon has to offer, outperformed by all cross-type 9-pt AF of the xxD line, the all cross-type 19-pt AF of the 7D, obviously all the 1D bodies (even those a couple generations old), as well as most Nikon bodies (which have anywhere from 30 to over 50 AF points these days!!)

I think most 5D II owners have used the camera for still scenes because it just wasn't readily capable for most action scenes, but thats a limitation imposed by Canon, not necessarily the owners of 5D II's. I can completely understand many people ditching the 5D line in favor of any one of Nikons prosumer or semi-pro bodies, simply because they are more capable in a general sense these days. For those of us who are heavily invested in Canon lenses, it can be rather frustrating to see the competition racing past Canon in terms of features (particularly AF), yet be stuck using something or having new options that is perceived as inferior.

Personally, I'm too heavily invested in Canon lenses to switch brands. I like a lot of things about Canon cameras, so I wouldn't likely switch even if I had the option. But it is still irksome to see Nikon significantly outperforming Canon in the ISO/read noise/DR department, putting advanced AF systems in almost ALL of their cameras, offering better full-color metering systems on most of their cameras (the 1D X is the FIRST Canon body to get such a thing, and here's to hoping the 5D III gets the new 100k pixel metering and AF assist system as well), etc.

Canon needs to compete. They have demonstrated they can with the 1D X...now they need to prove they WILL with all the rest of their cameras released from here on out. AF is just a talking point when it comes to the things Canon has dropped the ball on relative to the competition.
 
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jrista said:
Personally, I'm too heavily invested in Canon lenses to switch brands.

This is something else I don't understand. I will be happy to adopt a Nikon LANDSCAPE set up if I can't get what I want from Canon but I can easy leave my current Canon set up for Bird Photography.

Why does everyone always have the thought of always "jumping ship" instead of having an open mind to use both systems?? After all, they are just tools to create images.

I have no problems using both systems, in fact that will help me even more during my workshops and seminars.
 
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Maxis Gamez said:
jrista said:
Maxis Gamez said:
People talk all the time about the AF of the 5D MKII not being so great and so on but with a good technique anything can be possible. Here are few images.

I love my 5D MKII that's for sure!

First off, great photos. Love the bald eagle, fantastic shot!

As for "anything can be possible", sure, but thats not the point. Every one of your shots is center focused, and thats one of the complaints I've heard from many bird photographers that the 5D II AF doesn't really offer much in the way if in-flight AF tracking without limiting composition options. Generally speaking, better, faster AF systems improve the amount of keepers as well, limiting how frequently you encounter out of focus shots and the like. Finally, the ability to AF track at a high framerate increases the chances of getting an awesome shot with intriguing pose or other characteristics in focus.

Sure, anything is possible...but its more the ease of getting that great shot than it simply being possible that having a nice AF system brings to the table.

You do understand that the 5D MKII was designed for landscapes, studio and pretty much anything that doesn't move fast. So why the argument over a slow AF if most people including myself uses the camera specifically for that. In fact, I often create landscapes in manual focus.

That's why we have the 7D and Mark IV.

PS: Some of the images I create with the 5D MKII were created using all 9 focusing points. Again, a good understanding of your camera availability and a good focusing including tracking, the camera will perform just fine.

I use it all the time with my Canon 800mm with great success. Check out my website to see more images created with this camera and 7D. www.gvisions.org

Thanks!

Which was kind of my post a few pages back. I've got a 7D which is excellent in every way, but I long for a full frame for portrait (especially DOF) and landscape, where crop creates its headaches (and yes I have crop lenses like the 10-22).. For me, adding a 5DmkII are a greatly reduced price after the III is announced may be my path. I don't know that Canon is going to trump the IQ of the new 1DX by intro'ing some new super sensor with greatly expanded DR and incredibly low noise at High ISOs. I do see the 5DIII being a faster camera, capable of more FPS than the MkII and with a better focusing system than the MKII.. I'm just not sure what else they add without starting to infringe upward.

Jay S.
 
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Maxis Gamez said:
jrista said:
Personally, I'm too heavily invested in Canon lenses to switch brands.

This is something else I don't understand. I will be happy to adopt a Nikon LANDSCAPE set up if I can't get what I want from Canon but I can easy leave my current Canon set up for Bird Photography.

Why does everyone always have the thought of always "jumping ship" instead of having an open mind to use both systems?? After all, they are just tools to create images.

I have no problems using both systems, in fact that will help me even more during my workshops and seminars.

Well, you might be more unique in that then. Personally, I wouldn't like not having the option of interchanging all of my gear amongst all of my cameras. Not only that, if you start out with one brand, and want to add another, its more costly to do so...you have to buy gear you may already have for the alternative brand, and when it comes to high quality glass, that stuff doesn't come cheap. Almost all of my kit is professional level gear, I have one, maybe 2 lenses that are not L-series, I only buy professional grade bodies so the 7D and either the 5D III or possibly whatever Canon releases end of year will be my second body, and whatever the professional upgrade path for those is in the future is what I'll take...so not cheap stuff. If I wanted to pick up a Nikon "landscape" camera, I'd have to pick up the camera body and at least one or two lenses, extra batteries, possibly different memory cards of they use XQD, separate items for things like remote shutter releases, lens filters, extra battery chargers (such as those that can work off of a car cigarette lighter outlet), etc. to the tune of several thousand dollars. Even if you don't fully "jump ship", the cost is still considerable, and the effort to find all the appropriate accessories for both brands can be considerable. Not the most viable option for most customers.

I am not at the point where I'm completely dissatisfied with Canon...however if they don't demonstrate a will to step up and really compete with their growing competition, and simply find it easier to sit happy on increasingly dated technology, increasingly limited feature sets, etc. relative to the competition, its going to be increasingly hard not to go on an all out crusade against Canon's tactics all over the net and encourage Canon owners to jump ship with (good reason, even)....put some real bottom-line pressure on Canon to get their act together and offer some real value for the prices they are asking of their customers for "modern" gear. (Assuming the 5D III body only is indeed $3500 list, even street price is going to be atrociously expensive if the AF system, FPS, and metering system are not competitive vs. what Nikon and the rest of the competition have to offer.) I don't think I'd be alone in that crusade either...
 
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@Maxis Gamez: Just out of curiosity, did you write an article for NatureScapes.net recently? If so, your photography is great...I loved your sunset silhouette shots...fantastic. Anyway, your article made me put Florida on my list of photography destinations, particularly for birds. I don't have anywhere near your experience, but bird photography has also engulfed almost every moment of my work lately.
 
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NXT1000 said:
why should i pay good money to go from 21mp to 22mp. canon must be crazy to think people will do so. maybe new buyer, yes. not me, 800e here i come.

If mega pixels is what you are looking for, you can consider the 41mp Pureview 808.

What Canoners are upgrading for is the improved AF and low light performance of the 5D3.
 
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NXT1000 said:
why should i pay good money to go from 21mp to 22mp. canon must be crazy to think people will do so. maybe new buyer, yes. not me, 800e here i come.

You do make a valid point. However, be careful in which forum you say that. Many people here are anxious to buy whatever 5D replacement comes out, at whatever MSRP.

I am not planning to spend $3,500 for a 5D body only, while the D800 can be had for $3,000.

That said, I still hope that Canon can introduce a worthy replacement for 5DII, at the same introductory price that it had for 5DII when it first came out. BTW, that is what Nikon did also.

Let's hope for $2,700 MSRP for body, or $3,500 for the kit, with 24-105/f4 L IS II :)
 
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NXT1000 said:
why should i pay good money to go from 21mp to 22mp. canon must be crazy to think people will do so. maybe new buyer, yes. not me, 800e here i come.

Yeah...... Canon added .9mp and re-badged as the mkIII without changing anything else. Have fun with you D800!
 
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I have been reading all the ramblings in this massive post and I will just say this:
the new 5DMIII will have :

New processors
New Auto-focus system
22 MP
Reduction in noise is probably the biggest impact

the rest will be odds and ends with a button here and there. The big issue for me this year is the amount of cash going from me to Canon! I was holding out for this as well as the new 24-70 ! so it's going to be an expensive year!
 
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jrista said:
Maxis Gamez said:
jrista said:
Maxis Gamez said:
People talk all the time about the AF of the 5D MKII not being so great and so on but with a good technique anything can be possible. Here are few images.

I love my 5D MKII that's for sure!

First off, great photos. Love the bald eagle, fantastic shot!

As for "anything can be possible", sure, but thats not the point. Every one of your shots is center focused, and thats one of the complaints I've heard from many bird photographers that the 5D II AF doesn't really offer much in the way if in-flight AF tracking without limiting composition options. Generally speaking, better, faster AF systems improve the amount of keepers as well, limiting how frequently you encounter out of focus shots and the like. Finally, the ability to AF track at a high framerate increases the chances of getting an awesome shot with intriguing pose or other characteristics in focus.

Sure, anything is possible...but its more the ease of getting that great shot than it simply being possible that having a nice AF system brings to the table.

You do understand that the 5D MKII was designed for landscapes, studio and pretty much anything that doesn't move fast. So why the argument over a slow AF if most people including myself uses the camera specifically for that. In fact, I often create landscapes in manual focus.

That's why we have the 7D and Mark IV.

PS: Some of the images I create with the 5D MKII were created using all 9 focusing points. Again, a good understanding of your camera availability and a good focusing including tracking, the camera will perform just fine.

I use it all the time with my Canon 800mm with great success. Check out my website to see more images created with this camera and 7D. www.gvisions.org

Thanks!

Sure, we all understand that the 5D II AF was not designed for action on any level. The complaint I think most potential 5D III buyers have is that Canon has been extremely lax with the AF on the 5D line, in comparison to the competition. Most prosumer Nikon bodies have far more advanced AF than on any xxxD, xxD, and even the 5D II body. A lot of Canon users, including myself, ask the question:

How can Canon keep calling the 5D line a professional camera body when its been perpetually gimped by the most atrocious AF system Canon has to offer, outperformed by all cross-type 9-pt AF of the xxD line, the all cross-type 19-pt AF of the 7D, obviously all the 1D bodies (even those a couple generations old), as well as most Nikon bodies (which have anywhere from 30 to over 50 AF points these days!!)

I think most 5D II owners have used the camera for still scenes because it just wasn't readily capable for most action scenes, but thats a limitation imposed by Canon, not necessarily the owners of 5D II's. I can completely understand many people ditching the 5D line in favor of any one of Nikons prosumer or semi-pro bodies, simply because they are more capable in a general sense these days. For those of us who are heavily invested in Canon lenses, it can be rather frustrating to see the competition racing past Canon in terms of features (particularly AF), yet be stuck using something or having new options that is perceived as inferior.

Personally, I'm too heavily invested in Canon lenses to switch brands. I like a lot of things about Canon cameras, so I wouldn't likely switch even if I had the option. But it is still irksome to see Nikon significantly outperforming Canon in the ISO/read noise/DR department, putting advanced AF systems in almost ALL of their cameras, offering better full-color metering systems on most of their cameras (the 1D X is the FIRST Canon body to get such a thing, and here's to hoping the 5D III gets the new 100k pixel metering and AF assist system as well), etc.

Canon needs to compete. They have demonstrated they can with the 1D X...now they need to prove they WILL with all the rest of their cameras released from here on out. AF is just a talking point when it comes to the things Canon has dropped the ball on relative to the competition.

Personally I think people have been so brainwashed about the 5DII AF system that even when presented withevidence to the contrary are in total denial. A can do frame of mind is needed to turn this into a will do reality - instead of a 'any other camera' is NEEDED to capture something moving.

I wonder how many people who quote the 'useless' AF system have had real hands on experience without the use of a 'pro' AF system ie a 7D and a 5DII?

I wonder how many people HAVE to have the latest and greatest before they believe that a halfway decent photo can be taken? Yet week in week out we see evidence of first class images produced on older technology - such as the 5D classic, 20D, 450D and the like

I wonder how many people believe that ONLY the centre point can be used for AF? Well here is a picture from last night, in poor light, with the 5D2 using all points AF. According to the pundits the AF system on the 5D2 is so bad that this is not possible - so here is yet more proof that the AF system isn't that bad - exif is intact is you want to see it.


2 flash used with PW mini and flex - another rubbished system that still seems to work. Was taking pictures at over 50ft tonight - double the distance the pundits say that it will work
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Don't u just love people posting images of their pets, babies and children :-) and in a 5d mark iii forum haha even better.

Dog- this is an example of my centred weighted image ! See how good the autofocus is ! See !
 
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degies said:
I have been reading all the ramblings in this massive post and I will just say this:
the new 5DMIII will have :

New processors
New Auto-focus system
22 MP
Reduction in noise is probably the biggest impact

the rest will be odds and ends with a button here and there. The big issue for me this year is the amount of cash going from me to Canon! I was holding out for this as well as the new 24-70 ! so it's going to be an expensive year!

+1

Also:

- More shots per second (a previous rumor stated 6.9fps)
- 100% VF vs 98%
- 3.2" screen with 1Million Dots vs 3" with 920K Dots
- Mode Lock Button (important!)
- Infra Red Flash Control
- Better Weather Sealing (hopefully)
- 2 storage cards vs 1 for the 5D2
- Better Movie Capabilities
- More accessories (maybe a WiFi and GPS add-ons)

And who knows what else...

Also, the price is not finalized so there is no point arguing over that. Again, if some people see the Nikon D800 to be the better value for money, go ahead. Just don't try to force such opinions on others :)
 
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