*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

[wookiee2cu]

Just saw this thread, hope it's not true http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3705.0.html

 

[briansquibb]

Don't u just love people posting images of their pets, babies and children and in a 5d mark iii forum haha even better.

Dog- this is an example of my centred weighted image ! See how good the autofocus is ! See !

You missed the point - according to the non 5D2 users this shot is impossible as the AF is 'useless' It is relevant as there is a clamour to move away from the useless system to a 1DX level AF.

This is not one of my pets either.

 

[wickidwombat]

I wonder how many people believe that ONLY the centre point can be used for AF? Well here is a picture from last night, in poor light, with the 5D2 using all points AF. According to the pundits the AF system on the 5D2 is so bad that this is not possible - so here is yet more proof that the AF system isn't that bad - exif is intact is you want to see it.

I've found in low key studio setup with just low power modeling lamps and a totally dark room the other points will not even lock on with an f4 lens period. same lens on the 1D no problem any point lock on strait away
but in this situation its not a problem to focus and recompose using the center point.

now that i've gotten over the shock of going from a 1D AF system to the 5D AF and got ways around the problems i encountered it doesnt bother me. I'm mostly looking forward to having an AF i dont have to worry about. It does'nt have to be the all singing all dancing 1Dx system. I just want it to work with having to mess around with it.

And i find AI servo back focuses so i just stopped trying to use that on the 5D at all

Also I have found the 5D mk2 AF system works extremely well with my 600f4.5 FD lens... ;D

 

[briansquibb]

I wonder how many people believe that ONLY the centre point can be used for AF? Well here is a picture from last night, in poor light, with the 5D2 using all points AF. According to the pundits the AF system on the 5D2 is so bad that this is not possible - so here is yet more proof that the AF system isn't that bad - exif is intact is you want to see it.

I've found in low key studio setup with just low power modeling lamps and a totally dark room the other points will not even lock on with an f4 lens period. same lens on the 1D no problem any point lock on strait away
but in this situation its not a problem to focus and recompose using the center point.

now that i've gotten over the shock of going from a 1D AF system to the 5D AF and got ways around the problems i encountered it doesnt bother me. I'm mostly looking forward to having an AF i dont have to worry about. It does'nt have to be the all singing all dancing 1Dx system. I just want it to work with having to mess around with it.

And i find AI servo back focuses so i just stopped trying to use that on the 5D at all

Also I have found the 5D mk2 AF system works extremely well with my 600f4.5 FD lens... ;D

I am a dab hand at locking exposure and focussing before recomposing so I get a high percentage of keepers - just as well when doing a wedding

 

[jrista]

Personally I think people have been so brainwashed about the 5DII AF system that even when presented withevidence to the contrary are in total denial. A can do frame of mind is needed to turn this into a will do reality - instead of a 'any other camera' is NEEDED to capture something moving.

I wonder how many people who quote the 'useless' AF system have had real hands on experience without the use of a 'pro' AF system ie a 7D and a 5DII?

I wonder how many people HAVE to have the latest and greatest before they believe that a halfway decent photo can be taken? Yet week in week out we see evidence of first class images produced on older technology - such as the 5D classic, 20D, 450D and the like

First off, shooting a photo of a sitting dog in low light is an entirely different story than shooting a fast moving bird that can and does change direction on a dime in low light just after sunset. For the record, I own both a 450D (which has an AF system about the same as the 5D II) and a 7D. I spent a LONG time trying to shoot birds with my 450D, most of the time right around sunset as my day job would never let me get out there sooner to shoot during broad daylight. I pushed that camera to the absolute limits, and it did ok, but I never once got a shot that I could call "professional". Within a week of owning and using the 7D, I was getting shots that I stopped dreaming were possible. Still nothing I would really call professional, not on the level of Art Morris and similar photographers, but good enough that I actually believe I can improve my skill and one day soon call some of my shots "professional".

There IS a difference with AF systems when it comes to AI Servo tracking performance, particularly when you have more higher-precision cross-type points. With the 450D, the camera would spend too much time trying to find that focus lock. I either missed focus completely because it would give up, or I wouldn't nail focus where I wanted it, and the key part of my subject would be just barely, but noticeably, out of focus. Since there was only one cross-type point in the center, it was difficult to track a moving bird across the sky where it may not always be dead on the center point. The advancements the 7D brought to the table were more than simply 19 cross-type points with broad frame spread, though. It brought some extremely useful dynamic point expansion features and configuration options that helped me tune the camera such that it could keep focus on my active subject, even if it moved away from the primary selected point. The 450D does not offer any of these options. Having experimented with the 5D II, it seems it has six AF assist points around only the center point that behave similarly to the 7D's point expansion mode, which is handy for center-point focus. The 7D brings that capability to any of its 19 AF points, along with a variety of other point selection modes that allow you to tune AF to different circumstances. I've used a friends 500D for AF tracking as well, and its about the same as the 450D, although it is certainly more usable in lower light with an extra stop of ISO.

So yes, I have used older Canon cameras that have far simpler AF systems. And I offer a resounding "Absolutely" to the fact that a more advanced AF system can offer a world of difference in whether you nail focus, or miss it by a mile, and how frequently you do so. The 450D could get it some of the time, the 7D gets it much more often than not. I would hope that a top-shelf PRO AF system would nail it 90% of the time or more for the money you spend on one.

No one has said the 5D II system is incapable of AF, but its a far cry from extremely capable for high speed, mid to low light action (i.e. bird photography at sunset, sports action indoors, etc.) I figure there are two ways to improve that...either stuff in more single-line AF points so they act like a net, or improve the precision of fewer points. Nikon's taken the brute force approach of packing in as many AF points as possible. Canon has taken the selective approach by making all points cross-type (and with the 1D X, they've taken a blend of both approaches.) There is no way you can claim that the 5D Mark II 9-pt/6-pt hidden assist AF system is a "professional" grade AF system...not compared to the 7D (for a low-end pro-grade AF system), and certainly not to any of the 1D line AF systems from the past 4 years or so. I'd be willing to put money on just about any current Nikon AF system, on a professional body or not, outperforming the 5D II's in any strenuous exercise.

I don't think its unacceptable to ask Canon to put an AF system on the 5D that correlates with its position in the Canon DSLR lineup. Its long held status as the pro body with marginally better AF than Canon's entry-level DSLR's, not even ranking as good as an xxD with their 9 cross-type points, and was considerably lacking compared to the 7D. Its understandable that the 7D would surpass the 5D line for a while given that its a newer body, but I don't think thats an acceptable thing for the long haul....the 5D deserves better than a bare-bones 9pt AF system with a single cross-type center point...and so do those who intend to spend $3500 or very nearly so street on the 5D III when its released.

So I really hope that the 61pt AF is real, I sincerely hope it gets 21 center cross-type points, and I truly believe the 5D III deserves at least the 100k RGB metering sensor, even if the advanced AF hooks the 1D X has are absent. I'd feel good about spending $3500 at least if that was what I was getting...it would feel legit, and worth while. I had a very hard time justifying the 5D II, and in the end I never could...for two years I've been playing with it in stores, borrowing from friends or other photographers out in the field to give it a try, drooling over it online...but I couldn't pull the trigger. Between the rumors about terrible fixed-pattern read noise at low ISO, and the extremely lackluster AF system...it just wasn't worth it. Given how the 7D has made it possible for me to finally start exploring the bird photography I've been floundering with for the same amount of time, I feel good about buying it, feel it was well worth the price, and am a true believer that AF systems do matter.

 

[briansquibb]

My argument is not that the 5D2 has a 'pro AF' but that it is not as useless system as is regularly portrayed.

With a f/2.8 lens the 5D2 still is the best in low light on that centre point

PS I still would not classify the 7D as a pro AF either - just the best at that price point

 

[jrista]

I wouldn't really call the 7D's AF "pro" either in comparison to the 1D IV or 1D X AF, I tend to call it low-end pro, vs. high-end pro of the 1D IV or one of Nikon's D3 bodies. You could call it high-end prosumer, I guess it would be the same thing.

The point is...it makes a difference.

 

[briansquibb]

I wouldn't really call the 7D's AF "pro" either in comparison to the 1D IV or 1D X AF, I tend to call it low-end pro, vs. high-end pro of the 1D IV or one of Nikon's D3 bodies. You could call it high-end prosumer, I guess it would be the same thing.

The point is...it makes a difference.

I have had 7Ds - the AF was not as good as I hoped - so got a 1D4 which is hands down better. Metering on the AF point is so usefull

The 1Ds3 has the pro AF too - this is now my weapon of choice except in low light.

 

[jrista]

I have had 7Ds - the AF was not as good as I hoped - so got a 1D4 which is hands down better. Metering on the AF point is so usefull

The 1Ds3 has the pro AF too - this is now my weapon of choice except in low light.

I would have much preferred to get a 1D IV...but I have this whole thing about justifying the cost that makes it rather difficult at nearly six grand (at least at my level of photographic skill, which I'll admit is far lower than my technical skills.) I have not had a chance to use a 1Ds III. I imagine they might be getting rather cheap sometime soon here, so I might have to look into one of those. I guess for that matter many used 1D IV's might be going on the market once the 1D X hits in full force as well...so I might see if I can justify a used one of those. I'd prefer a 1.3x crop sensor to a FF sensor for the kind of stuff I'd use such a camera for anyway.

 

[briansquibb]

I have had 7Ds - the AF was not as good as I hoped - so got a 1D4 which is hands down better. Metering on the AF point is so usefull

The 1Ds3 has the pro AF too - this is now my weapon of choice except in low light.

I would have much preferred to get a 1D IV...but I have this whole thing about justifying the cost that makes it rather difficult at nearly six grand (at least at my level of photographic skill, which I'll admit is far lower than my technical skills.) I have not had a chance to use a 1Ds III. I imagine they might be getting rather cheap sometime soon here, so I might have to look into one of those. I guess for that matter many used 1D IV's might be going on the market once the 1D X hits in full force as well...so I might see if I can justify a used one of those. I'd prefer a 1.3x crop sensor to a FF sensor for the kind of stuff I'd use such a camera for anyway.

I got the 1Ds3 as a cheap mans alternative to the 1DX. I wasn't worried about low light as I also have the 1D4 and 5D2.

1Ds3 is another body that has attracted bad comments - yet it is fabulous to use as a general purpose camera. The AF is good enough for BIF, the IQ is better than that of the 5D2 - yet all I hear is how the 5D2 superceded the 1Ds3.

It is in a totally different league from the 5D2 - for stills and with a max iso of 3200.

 

[ramon123]

Let's get back onto the subject at hand:

CANON EOS 5D MARK III on March 2nd 2012

What's it looking like...

 

[briansquibb]

Let's get back onto the subject at hand:

CANON EOS 5D MARK III on March 2nd 2012

What's it looking like...

If you had read the threads you would have noticed that there is some considerable doubt about the date. In the meanwhile we are talking around the AF system which is directly relevant to the 5D3 as there seems to be 2 schools of thought - a 7D level of AF or a 'pro AF' system like the 1DX

It is difficult to keep directly on topic for over 50 pages

Have you anything to add?

 

[ramon123]

I just want to know the latest (Feb 29) update on where we are holding with March 2nd? Is it negative because people are creating that or is it really negative because of some evidence, in that case: I'd like to hear the concerns and the evidence :-\

 

[briansquibb]

I just want to know the latest (Feb 29) update on where we are holding with March 2nd? Is it negative because people are creating that or is it really negative because of some evidence, in that case: I'd like to hear the concerns and the evidence :-\

Well here are two threads for you to read that are currently active

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=3651.msg78236;topicseen#new

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=3705.msg78234;topicseen#new

 

[necator]

*UPDATE*

March 2 will be the date for the 5D replacement. Confirmation of events in France and Singapore. There may be something else on February 28 and things were reversed, I am trying to confirm that.
So yes, I changed the announcement date rated [CR3]. I may catch a little flack for that, but it had to be done.

Sorry to insist, jet the [CR3] that there are two announcements, one on 27/28.2. and on 2.3. is at least invalidated for the first bit --- nothing here, and 28th has passed.
Still hoping for the 2.3. though.

Ouch, that'll be some negative karma for me, I assume (and somebody will get rated down from being a CR3-source for sure by Craig)

 

[Canon Rumors]

*UPDATE*

March 2 will be the date for the 5D replacement. Confirmation of events in France and Singapore. There may be something else on February 28 and things were reversed, I am trying to confirm that.
So yes, I changed the announcement date rated [CR3]. I may catch a little flack for that, but it had to be done.

Sorry to insist, jet the [CR3] that there are two announcements, one on 27/28.2. and on 2.3. is at least invalidated for the first bit --- nothing here, and 28th has passed.
Still hoping for the 2.3. though.

Ouch, that'll be some negative karma for me, I assume (and somebody will get rated down from being a CR3-source for sure by Craig)

The issue with Feb 28 was a miscommunication that I take responsibility for.

 

[ramon123]

*UPDATE*

March 2 will be the date for the 5D replacement. Confirmation of events in France and Singapore. There may be something else on February 28 and things were reversed, I am trying to confirm that.
So yes, I changed the announcement date rated [CR3]. I may catch a little flack for that, but it had to be done.

Sorry to insist, jet the [CR3] that there are two announcements, one on 27/28.2. and on 2.3. is at least invalidated for the first bit --- nothing here, and 28th has passed.
Still hoping for the 2.3. though.

Ouch, that'll be some negative karma for me, I assume (and somebody will get rated down from being a CR3-source for sure by Craig)

The issue with Feb 28 was a miscommunication that I take responsibility for.

But the Canon EOS 5D Mark III on March 2nd 2012 there has been clear communication and therefore has been confirmed!

 

[plam_1980]

I just want to know the latest (Feb 29) update on where we are holding with March 2nd? Is it negative because people are creating that or is it really negative because of some evidence, in that case: I'd like to hear the concerns and the evidence :-\

Well here are two threads for you to read that are currently active

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=3651.msg78236;topicseen#new

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=3705.msg78234;topicseen#new

Here is one more
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3717.0.html

 

[Tovich]

This image has appeared on an article of 24/2/12 on http://www.dday.it/: the linked article http://www.dday.it/redazione/5461/Lerede-della-Canon-5D-arriva-il-2-marzo.html was removed.

"Colazione da Eos" means "Breakfast at Eos"

 

[ramon123]

This image has appeared on an article of 24/2/12 on http://www.dday.it/: the linked article http://www.dday.it/redazione/5461/Lerede-della-Canon-5D-arriva-il-2-marzo.html was removed.

"Colazione da Eos" means "Breakfast at Eos"

What does that mean in English?