Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

[9VIII]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

So this is a 5 stop lift in 8 bit JPEG ?

Yawn :

I certainly thought that was odd as well.

Youtube personalities can be valuable sometimes, but they all seem to have a hard time with technical subjects at some point.
I'd still say Matt is one of the most level headed people on there though.

Matt is one of many good reviewers on you tube. He showed you the truth about the MARK IV if you watch the video but you have to keep in mind Canon gives Matt perks in the form of gifts etc. (Read Between the lines)

This thread if you noticed we have Canon Shills trying to discredit facts ..... We know who you are Bone Heads!

He shows us the limitations of an 8 bit jpeg. That really isn't a good demonstration of anything.

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

So this is a 5 stop lift in 8 bit JPEG ?

Yawn :

I certainly thought that was odd as well.

Youtube personalities can be valuable sometimes, but they all seem to have a hard time with technical subjects at some point.
I'd still say Matt is one of the most level headed people on there though.

Matt is one of many good reviewers on you tube. He showed you the truth about the MARK IV if you watch the video but you have to keep in mind Canon gives Matt perks in the form of gifts etc. (Read Between the lines)

This thread if you noticed we have Canon Shills trying to discredit facts ..... We know who you are Bone Heads!

He shows us the limitations of an 8 bit jpeg. That really isn't a good demonstration of anything.

Also in order to raise 5 stops he's had to under expose by 5 stops, so the raw would have been black. God knows what the in camera JPEG conversion is meant to do ! The "mess" that the process has made of it could actually be due to beneficial processing in something that is remotely correct in exposure.

It's a farsical test, the Internet at its worst. Very disappointed Matt.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

So this is a 5 stop lift in 8 bit JPEG ?

Yawn :

I certainly thought that was odd as well.

Youtube personalities can be valuable sometimes, but they all seem to have a hard time with technical subjects at some point.
I'd still say Matt is one of the most level headed people on there though.

Matt is one of many good reviewers on you tube. He showed you the truth about the MARK IV if you watch the video but you have to keep in mind Canon gives Matt perks in the form of gifts etc. (Read Between the lines)

This thread if you noticed we have Canon Shills trying to discredit facts ..... We know who you are Bone Heads!

He shows us the limitations of an 8 bit jpeg. That really isn't a good demonstration of anything.

What I find most disappointing about these self appointed opinionators asinine comments is they are so dumb they don't even get that they are talking utter crap.

The multitude of followers then go on forums with their 'proof' of a characteristic and we end up here, "the Canon 5D MkIV can do four stop lifts but not five stop lifts", the fact that they were jpeg captures gets lost in translation and people actually looking for relevant info get this nonsense served up in a Google search.

It seems this age of freely available information is not lifting us all up to a higher level of knowledge, it is just resulting in a constant battle between those that understand what was shown and those that simply read the headline/bullet point of a badly written or explained invalid point.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

Canon 5D Mark IV Cheap CMOS Image Sensor Exposed
If you under expose a picture and adjust the exposure up 5 stops it can expose the defect in Canons New CMOS Image Sensor...

This is a joke, right?

If you underexposed the image and pushed it five stops in post and it is still that dark, then the original was probably more like eight to 10 stops underexposed.

Precisely.

the ISO 800 example was even worse...

for instance it's the equivalent on an ISOless sensor of boosting 8EV.

Also .. extreme pushing is kind of irrelevant .. look at how the D810 turns to magenta banding after 5-6EV and the D5 turns to banding after around 3-4.

We're not even talking about canon here.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

It seems this age of freely available information is not lifting us all up to a higher level of knowledge, it is just resulting in a constant battle between those that understand what was shown and those that simply read the headline/bullet point of a badly written or explained invalid point.

You just perfectly described politics in America.

- A

 

[mmeerdam]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

Shall we stop debating the DR nonsense? I would love to hear some opinions on how much megapixels we deem likely for the 5dsr2. Will Canon allow it to be less than the rumored Sony from a marketing perspective? (obviously with the 5d4 they chose not to compete on specs with Nikon).

edit: I mean including me, not trying to be blunt

 

[glness]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

I hope this is true. With the new sensor technology that many have been waiting for patiently, Canon should be moving up their typical refresh timetable on all their major camera bodies. That includes a new 6D II, a 7D III as well as a 5DS R II. It probably applies equally to the Rebel series, too. I hope these are all sooner rather than later.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

If Canon could credibly run a campain under the motto "We care about photography" rather than "We care about sales" they'd be back on track for the long run. Credibility is earned through the approval of the most critical of minds (That is btw why Fujifilm GFX will succeed).

Maybe they think putting cameras into as many hands as possible does more for photography than being elitist? And as for the part I've highlighted: says who? Credibility can be earned in different ways.

I don't say that Canon is doomed. But sometimes it comes across that they lost focus in photographers. And that troubles me. I wish for Canon to correct this rather sooner than later.

So are the latest Canon cameras unable to take good photographs? Be honest, "lost focus on photographers" means 'didn't deliver what I personally wanted'.

PS it's spelled 'wannabe'.

 

[dak723]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

If Canon could credibly run a campain under the motto "We care about photography" rather than "We care about sales" they'd be back on track for the long run. Credibility is earned through the approval of the most critical of minds (That is btw why Fujifilm GFX will succeed).

I don't say that Canon is doomed. But sometimes it comes across that they lost focus in photographers. And that troubles me. I wish for Canon to correct this rather sooner than later.

Don't know this personally, but it is always reported that Canon gets the majority of feedback regarding its products and what is desired in a new camera from PRO photographers. It seems for my perspective, that they deliver cameras that PRO photographers want - extremely well built, easy to use, comfortable to hold, excellent AF, very reliable exposure, excellent color. They are not that interested in what the "techies" or "spec counters" want, many of which are merely gimmicks, or such high end specs (such as 14 bit vs. 12 bit compressed RAW for continuous shooting) that actually do nothing noticeably positive, but do have negative impacts in terms of taking photos. Thank goodness Canon does get feedback from PRO photographers or we would end up with a super spec camera that is unreliable, harder to use and doesn't take better photos in any way.

 

[Jopa]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

They are not that interested in what the "techies" or "spec counters" want, many of which are merely gimmicks, or such high end specs (such as 14 bit vs. 12 bit compressed RAW for continuous shooting) that actually do nothing noticeably positive, but do have negative impacts in terms of taking photos.

Recently I was thinking about the same thing. To satisfy the "spec counters" Canon should introduce a separate product line, something like "Canon C7". Bloat it with "specs" and gimmics, no one cares if they aren't even working, because the spec counters don't buy anything and don't take pictures, but they all will be so happy to see the specs and b/vlog about them

 

[RGF]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

Wonder if Canon will ever work a deal with Sony. Imagine the sensor in the A7R II in a Canon body. That would be an excellent camera, even if only 40-something MP.

 

[wockawocka]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

Wonder if Canon will ever work a deal with Sony. Imagine the sensor in the A7R II in a Canon body. That would be an excellent camera, even if only 40-something MP.

We've already got that sensor performance in the 5D4, but with much better colours. Upscale that to 51mp....

 

[hubie]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

So basically it will be the 5D we hoped for?
5D mk IV with high resolution Sensor and no lowpass filter.

Perhaps also some changes to video but I don't think so yet, as both features mentioned aboth will already set it apart from the 5D mk IV quite significantly. May be even crippled video capabilities but definitely no improvements there (just my guess). Less fps (may be 5 or in that region), smaller buffer & stuff..., let's see.

 

[mmeerdam]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

An aa filter on the 5d4 was almost a given in hindsight. Most wedding photographers didn't want 24+ megapixel and don't want moire issues at any time. Canon knew they could risk to trail too much - mp wise - behind the d810 and it's upcoming succesor or even more the inevitable cheaper d750 successor. So 30 is a safe number and will not impact file size and handling speed too much. Wedding en portrait photographers happy enough, they can also film some footage with dpaf which is a big plus. Those who really need high mp can be serviced with the other 5d(s). If the plan was from the start to release an 5ds2 pretty soon they will not worry about people switching to Nikon because few less experienced new buyers will pick the older camera over a brand new one with a couple of more megapixels. People invested in Canon but considering a switch will wait until the new Nikon release meanwhile. They only have to step up when Nikon actually releases their d810 succesor. Canon is ready whenever. Canon will then unofficially leak (they already do actually) a successor of a 5dsr is coming and most gearheads will hold out to see what's up. Most current 5dsr users will not opt out, because the 5dsr is actually good enough to see what's next and decide later.....

that'll keep us busy for about a year. ;D ;D

 

[romanr74]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

As a publicly traded company, Fujifilm has the same goal – and legal mandate – as Canon: strive to return value to shareholders.

Intersting, tell me about that legal mandate.

 

[Mikehit]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

As a publicly traded company, Fujifilm has the same goal – and legal mandate – as Canon: strive to return value to shareholders.

Intersting, tell me about that legal mandate.

how about spending 10 minutes on the internet....

 

[Loswr]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

As a publicly traded company, Fujifilm has the same goal – and legal mandate – as Canon: strive to return value to shareholders.

Intersting, tell me about that legal mandate.

how about spending 10 minutes on the internet....

Why should we expect anyone on CR to have better business acumen than a small bowl of jello? :

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

Canon 5D Mark IV Cheap CMOS Image Sensor Exposed
If you under expose a picture and adjust the exposure up 5 stops it can expose the defect in Canons New CMOS Image Sensor.

See Attached Image: The exposure has been increased 5 stops so you can see the defects. See the strips in the image? This is exposing a Horrible inconsistency in the new canon sensor.

Expect the same results in the New 5DS replacement?

I really push my cameras and yes Ive had banding and bemoaned it on the 6D. In the 5DS so far Ive never seen or noticed banding and the test your reporting here is bordering on blockhead stupid with the 5D MKIV. Who in real world shooting under exposes 5 stops and then boosts the image 5 stops? Frankly its a crazy idea and would show artefacts in ANY camera.
Maybe you should get out more and actually take photographs.

 

[romanr74]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

As a publicly traded company, Fujifilm has the same goal – and legal mandate – as Canon: strive to return value to shareholders.

Intersting, tell me about that legal mandate.

how about spending 10 minutes on the internet....

Why should we expect anyone on CR to have better business acumen than a small bowl of jello? :

Very true, very true... sadly...

This I call reliable strategy: Immediate insult. But only that. Donald, is that you?

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

Wonder if Canon will ever work a deal with Sony. Imagine the sensor in the A7R II in a Canon body. That would be an excellent camera, even if only 40-something MP.

People were waiting for Nikon to make a D820 or D900 with that very same sensor and it never happened. I am very curious why that didn't materialize (was sony's price too high, did Nikon have something better in-house that they wanted to use, did Nikon want to break its reliance on EXMOR, etc?), but your guess is as good as mine.

- A