*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Ok, so now we know 7fps and 30.4MP (although Craig himself hasn't appeared to have confirmed the DPAF part I've seen elsewhere)

This is making my decision even easier to move up to the DX2. The 1-2 extra FPS over my 5D3 isn't going to help any better. I already have a High MP Machine in my 5DSR. The extra speed and video capability (yes the 4:2:2 is same as DX2 far as I know and looks very good) in the DX2 is going to better fill my capability gaps rather than adding/upgrading my 5D3 to a 5D4. At least for right now.

If the built in Wifi happens, that would really be nice when I'm shooting 450 dance students while tethered, but dosen't itself warrant the move. Damn good lookin camera they've made it seems, just not the right fit for me based on this info
 
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CanonFanBoy said:
tpatana said:
PureClassA said:
Clearly, Canon is doomed. So doomed in fact that I've 90% settled on buying a 1DX II. Oh but someone here said the 120fps looked like junk. Yeah, no. For those who want/need a fast action stills body like I do that can also do great (albeit perhaps not the THE best) video, I've become convinced. This link is a great short video that was done by a guy who shoots professionally with RED Cinema gear and bought the DX2 as a B cam. In a conversation I had with him tonight, he could not have been more praising of the DX2's cinematic prowess for what it is. Technical aspects of this are wonderful, and there are some very lovely ladies scantily clad in it. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H948Lq7SYbA

Sweet.

I'm completely unimpressed with the shadow detail around the bent over thongs. :(

Yip, thongs just ain't wot they used to be :P
 
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dilbert said:
Cosmicbug said:
Canon has done enough for me to justify the move to the newer model. I will be trading in my 5D3. I am sure ithe IV will continue to earn me a living.

Really guys, where else could I go???

Sounds like Canon own you.

Quite the contrary, Cosmicbug owns and will for the near future own Canons. :P
 
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Make my living using the mark III and the 3 big things that I'm looking for are improvements in dynamic range, focusing system (not that the mark III is that bad but could be a lot better) especially in lowish light and then noise control. Just thought I'd say.
 
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I think you'll get what you're looking for then. The new Sensor tech we first saw on the DX2 will undoubtedly be on this body as well. AF system I suspect will be fairly similar to the new DX2 system with better accuracy and faster

lloyd709 said:
Make my living using the mark III and the 3 big things that I'm looking for are improvements in dynamic range, focusing system (not that the mark III is that bad but could be a lot better) in term of focussing accuracy and speed (especially in lowish light) and then noise control. Just thought I'd say!
 
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Speclist schmecklist.

There's really only one factor here... If the 5D4 sensor is still far behind Sony and Nikon after 4 and a half years of R&D, I'm going to have to seriously start considering a gear switch. Sorry, Canon, I can only hang on for so long. :-\
 
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justsomedude said:
Speclist schmecklist.

There's really only one factor here... If the 5D4 sensor is still far behind Sony and Nikon after 4 and a half years of R&D, I'm going to have to seriously start considering a gear switch. Sorry, Canon, I can only hang on for so long. :-\

why would you even assume that when the 1dx mark ii already shows canon catches up.
 
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unfocused said:
privatebydesign said:
unfocused said:
neuroanatomist said:
...if you downsample the 50 MP sensor to 20 MP, the noise will be the same...

Thanks Neuro,

But this still leaves me wondering...

...The manufacturers have been fighting consumer preconceived prejudices for ever...market forces have obviously proven the high pixel versions are not economical...

I appreciate the discussion. I must admit that when I review this and then try to reconcile it with past demonstrations by both Neuro and PDB that have shown examples of some pretty severe crops using cameras with sensors under 20 mp which don't seem to suffer significantly, I'm coming to the conclusion that MP counts may be the least relevant specification out there.

I agree with you, unless you are intending to produce exhibition sized prints under controlled conditions, and even under those circumstances moving up to a larger format would produce a better result, pro rata.

I thought that moving up to the 40 to 50 MP mark on a FF sensor would give better colour definition, given the four pixel bayer array sensors, but in practice this doesn't really seem to be the case, even against a 12 MP camera. Yes you can define more colour definition / detail at 100% with a much larger image, but it is lost when reducing the output size. (A bit like the noise ;) ). I would say that 99% of the time for most people we are talking about an output size of somewhere between 100mm and 420 long side, and as we go for ever increasing MP I think this is giving images with something of a brittle signature compared with a relatively low MP camera, unless further work is done on the reduced size file. PS carries some blame here I think.

Quality is subjective. In the early days of photography when using large format cameras, infinite depth of field was very difficult to achieve, and full focus throughout the image was regarded as quality. Then in the modern age infinite depth of field became the domain of small sensored cameras, easy to achieve, and we now associate a selective focus with higher quality. It wouldn't surprise me if in time smoother, less brittle, micro-detailed images become more associated with 'quality', and lower MP cameras are better at this IMO.

When you look at the main raisin de tair of the one series or Nikon single digit series, those cameras are all about speed and accuracy, and optimum quality output at normal output sizes, even under sub optimal, demanding conditions, so it's not at all surprising that they are going to stay around the 16 to 20 MP mark.
 
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If Canon kept 1:1 readout in 4K mode (which is the only readout mode that makes sense for 4K), with 30.4MP sensor, the 4K video would come out as a massive 2.4x crop factor.
 
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rrcphoto said:
justsomedude said:
Speclist schmecklist.

There's really only one factor here... If the 5D4 sensor is still far behind Sony and Nikon after 4 and a half years of R&D, I'm going to have to seriously start considering a gear switch. Sorry, Canon, I can only hang on for so long. :-\

why would you even assume that when the 1dx mark ii already shows canon catches up.

I'd say it shows Canon "catching" up, and not that they've necessarily "Caught up." Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8090146652/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-studio-tests

Although I will wait for samples. I do want to stick with Canon... I have way too much invested in glass. :/
 
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justsomedude said:
Speclist schmecklist.

There's really only one factor here... If the 5D4 sensor is still far behind Sony and Nikon after 4 and a half years of R&D, I'm going to have to seriously start considering a gear switch. Sorry, Canon, I can only hang on for so long. :-\

Really? ONE factor? (and the DX2 is on pretty much par with the Sony sensors, which the 5D4 will share same tech) Could you please share some photos you've taken where the 5D3 failed and the D810 would have succeeded and tell us why?
 
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justsomedude said:
rrcphoto said:
justsomedude said:
Speclist schmecklist.

There's really only one factor here... If the 5D4 sensor is still far behind Sony and Nikon after 4 and a half years of R&D, I'm going to have to seriously start considering a gear switch. Sorry, Canon, I can only hang on for so long. :-\

why would you even assume that when the 1dx mark ii already shows canon catches up.

I'd say it shows Canon "catching" up, and not that they've necessarily "Caught up." Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8090146652/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-studio-tests

Although I will wait for samples. I do want to stick with Canon... I have way too much invested in glass. :/

if a different of .5EV really makes that much difference to you .. okay then.

but really they have caught up.

load up the 1dx and do the same thing.
 
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PureClassA said:
justsomedude said:
Speclist schmecklist.

There's really only one factor here... If the 5D4 sensor is still far behind Sony and Nikon after 4 and a half years of R&D, I'm going to have to seriously start considering a gear switch. Sorry, Canon, I can only hang on for so long. :-\

Really? ONE factor? (and the DX2 is on pretty much par with the Sony sensors, which the 5D4 will share same tech) Could you please share some photos you've taken where the 5D3 failed and the D810 would have succeeded and tell us why?

Ugh. Why does everyone get so grumpy? I'm a Canon user, I use Canon glass, I will probably buy a Mark IV.

Why does everyone get so offended by asking for a little better shadow recovery after 4 years?

Cripes. Sit down, have some tea.
 
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rrcphoto said:
justsomedude said:
rrcphoto said:
justsomedude said:
Speclist schmecklist.

There's really only one factor here... If the 5D4 sensor is still far behind Sony and Nikon after 4 and a half years of R&D, I'm going to have to seriously start considering a gear switch. Sorry, Canon, I can only hang on for so long. :-\

why would you even assume that when the 1dx mark ii already shows canon catches up.

I'd say it shows Canon "catching" up, and not that they've necessarily "Caught up." Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8090146652/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-studio-tests

Although I will wait for samples. I do want to stick with Canon... I have way too much invested in glass. :/

if a different of .5EV really makes that much difference to you .. i'd say you have issues far more than the the chosen camera body.

You are right. I have a lot of issues. And I'm a terrible photographer.

I should sell all of my gear.

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Thank you for helping me realize that I have no business in photography or commenting on cameras.

This has been a phenomenal learning experience.

I wish I knew these things about myself earlier in life.

As the saying goes... better late than never!
 
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Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications: (2016)

30.4mp CHECK
7fps HM
Compact Flash/SD Card Slots (No CFast) LOL
Built-in Wifi OK
24/30fps @ 4K This is a Joke for a new camera what is in 3 years in development
60fps @ 1080 LOL - MIN 120
120fps @ 720 WHO CARES ABOUT 720? First TV stations in Japan broadcasting 8k
4:2:2 4:4:4
8bit 500mbps MJPEG LOL

From my 20 colleagues 16 went to Sony. Canon had a huge chance to innovate the market but this is a DEAD HORSE. I invested over 20k in Canon glass and I own Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.
Without the correct LUT and 4:4:4 output this is just a nice Z camera. We all been waiting for Canon to give us some innovation but in 2016 a touch screen and WIFI is simple not enough...
Fact is Sony is taking over and Canon with this strange marketing strategy is not going anywhere.
Protecting the C line is a very bad mistake...
 
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I wasn't being grumpy. I'm very happy with my gear. I wouldn't mind having more DR. But what I have now works fine. I was responding to you casting aside the entire spec list as meaningless unless the "one factor" was improved or you were (implied) gonna leave Canon. That sounded pretty grumpy to me. I'll have some Earl Grey, thanks

justsomedude said:
PureClassA said:
justsomedude said:
Speclist schmecklist.

There's really only one factor here... If the 5D4 sensor is still far behind Sony and Nikon after 4 and a half years of R&D, I'm going to have to seriously start considering a gear switch. Sorry, Canon, I can only hang on for so long. :-\

Really? ONE factor? (and the DX2 is on pretty much par with the Sony sensors, which the 5D4 will share same tech) Could you please share some photos you've taken where the 5D3 failed and the D810 would have succeeded and tell us why?

Ugh. Why does everyone get so grumpy? I'm a Canon user, I use Canon glass, I will probably buy a Mark IV.

Why does everyone get so offended by asking for a little better shadow recovery after 4 years?

Cripes. Sit down, have some tea.
 
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