Updated: The Nikon D5 has Leaked

[privatebydesign]

Re: The Nikon D5 has Leaked

Please, CFast cards.

Why? That is so arbitrary.

I don't want one single video enhancing feature that costs a singe cent. I don't want a heaphone socket, I don't want CFast, I don't want 4K heat sinks.

I want the best stills camera Canon is capable of making.

 

[Viggo]

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Do I really hear people complain about more AF points? Ridiculous....

If they fill the entire frame with AF points I'll be as happy as ever. They won't show everyone lit up constantly, why would anyone even think that?

I'm hoping for a full customizable layout of AF points in the next pro bodies, choose which ever you want and only have those available.

 

[Bennymiata]

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The 1dx and the 1dc will be merged AND improved on the new 1dx2.
Better 4k than the 1dc + lots of new and improved features that may not look fantastically better than the 1dx/c on paper, but it will be better to use and produce better photos and video.

Simple.

 

[9VIII]

Re: The Nikon D5 has Leaked

Please, CFast cards.

Why? That is so arbitrary.

I don't want one single video enhancing feature that costs a singe cent. I don't want a heaphone socket, I don't want CFast, I don't want 4K heat sinks.

I want the best stills camera Canon is capable of making.

You would probably pay an extra $1,000 for it. Are you sure that's really what you want?

 

[Loswr]

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1 bit of tech I'd like Canon to copy from Nikon is that window for their viewfinders so that I don't need to remove my eyepiece when shooting long exposure

What's to copy? Canon's 1-series bodies already have a viewfinder shutter (controlled by a little lever next to the eyecup), I wouldn't expect them to remove it from the 1D X II. Or are you referring to something else?

When shooting long exposures, do you usually compose with the VF, use a remote release, and set exposure with an automatic mode (P, Av, Tv)? The only time you'd want to block light entering the VF is if the camera is making an exposure decision for you when you're not actually looking through the VF, and you're not in Live View. All the VF shutter or eyepiece cap does is prevent light entering through the VF from affecting the metering sensor (which is in the pentaprism housing). In Live View and during exposure the mirror is up so light entering the VF has no effect.

Personally, I use M for long exposures and usually compose and set exposure in Live View, or if not then I'm looking through the VF when I set exposure (and using the self-timer). The primary time I use the viewfinder shutter is when shooting AFMA test shots (Av mode and a fixed composition), and occasional outdoor ambient portraits in Av where I'm remote triggering so I can be next to a child. Even before getting the 1D X, I never removed the eyecup to use that silly little plastic eyepiece cap – rather, I just hung a lens cap on the eyecup and that worked perfectly.

 

[davidmurray]

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So maybe they will cripple the 5D4 or 1DX2 by not including clog but then again all the cheap competitors do...
Interesting to see Canon's next move - after all they haven't innovated anything in quite awhile

Personally I would very much hope that Canon not clog up their new models with unnecessary or ineffective features.

I don't understand why people would use a DSLR for video. They're well set up for stills photography but ergonomically difficult to use for sophisticated video recording,

With respect to your last point, it seems odd that you've said that given Canon's historic cycle of innovation we're in the latter part of a steady, ongoing development cycle. What we're seeing is normal for this stage in the cycle.

 

[Loswr]

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What has been left out is that the rumor also says that the 153 AF points cover a wider area but it isn't clear just how much bigger the area is that AF sensor area will cover.

What has been left out is the number and distribution of cross-type AF points (historically for Nikon, low and clustered in the center), and what has also been left out is the number of high-precision f/2.8 dual-cross points (historically for Nikon, zero).

 

[Orangutan]

Re: The Nikon D5 has Leaked

So maybe they will cripple the 5D4 or 1DX2 by not including clog but then again all the cheap competitors do...
Interesting to see Canon's next move - after all they haven't innovated anything in quite awhile

Personally I would very much hope that Canon not clog up their new models with unnecessary or ineffective features.

Possibly unnecessary to you, but required in the current market. A DSLR without video will sell poorly, and per-unit retail price will go up considerably. Leaving out video is no longer an option.

I don't understand why people would use a DSLR for video. They're well set up for stills photography but ergonomically difficult to use for sophisticated video recording,

For pros, perhaps (I'm not a pro, so I can't comment). For amateurs, good-quality video with imperfect ergonomics is vastly superior to no video at all, or having to buy and maintain separate kit for video.

 

[romanr74]

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Well if it does come out with 153 AF points, every Canon owner is going to be suffering from "small d*** syndrome" because the 1DX/1DXII won't have as many, leading to Canon camera owners feeling inadequate.

I'm obviously not sure about your personality, but mine doesn't work like that. But thank you for speaking for me anyway....

 

[raptor3x]

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1 bit of tech I'd like Canon to copy from Nikon is that window for their viewfinders so that I don't need to remove my eyepiece when shooting long exposure

Canon's had viewfinder shutters for a very long time, but they only put them into the 1D bodies while Nikon also started putting them into the D700/D800 bodies in addition to the D4 style bodies.

 

[Sabaki]

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1 bit of tech I'd like Canon to copy from Nikon is that window for their viewfinders so that I don't need to remove my eyepiece when shooting long exposure

What's to copy? Canon's 1-series bodies already have a viewfinder shutter (controlled by a little lever next to the eyecup), I wouldn't expect them to remove it from the 1D X II. Or are you referring to something else?

When shooting long exposures, do you usually compose with the VF, use a remote release, and set exposure with an automatic mode (P, Av, Tv)? The only time you'd want to block light entering the VF is if the camera is making an exposure decision for you when you're not actually looking through the VF, and you're not in Live View. All the VF shutter or eyepiece cap does is prevent light entering through the VF from affecting the metering sensor (which is in the pentaprism housing). In Live View and during exposure the mirror is up so light entering the VF has no effect.

Personally, I use M for long exposures and usually compose and set exposure in Live View, or if not then I'm looking through the VF when I set exposure (and using the self-timer). The primary time I use the viewfinder shutter is when shooting AFMA test shots (Av mode and a fixed composition), and occasional outdoor ambient portraits in Av where I'm remote triggering so I can be next to a child. Even before getting the 1D X, I never removed the eyecup to use that silly little plastic eyepiece cap – rather, I just hung a lens cap on the eyecup and that worked perfectly.

Hi Neuro

Was meaning I'd like to see the viewfinder shutter in all Canon bodies.

I do all my landscapes in Liveview, manual mode. You saying I don't need to worry about light leak when shooting like that?

 

[Loswr]

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I do all my landscapes in Liveview, manual mode. You saying I don't need to worry about light leak when shooting like that?

Correct. In Live View the mirror is up and metering is done from the image sensor. If light entering the VF is affecting your image, your camera needs service.

 

[Sabaki]

Re: The Nikon D5 has Leaked

I do all my landscapes in Liveview, manual mode. You saying I don't need to worry about light leak when shooting like that?

Correct. In Live View the mirror is up and metering is done from the image sensor. If light entering the VF is affecting your image, your camera needs service.

Thanks Neuro! I appreciate the education, I had the wrong understanding regarding light leak

 

[privatebydesign]

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I do all my landscapes in Liveview, manual mode. You saying I don't need to worry about light leak when shooting like that?

Correct. In Live View the mirror is up and metering is done from the image sensor. If light entering the VF is affecting your image, your camera needs service.

Unless you own a Nikon.

http://www.photographio.com/cover-viewfinder-long-exposures/

https://photographylife.com/how-to-fix-light-leaks-in-long-exposure-photography

https://www.reddit.com/r/photography/comments/3c2l1t/block_your_viewfinder_when_taking_long_exposures/

 

[RayValdez360]

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Wow so much hate. I guess there is nothing they can do for you.

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[*]Only 20mp? I'm kinda surprised, seeing as the D3x way back in 2008(?) had 24.5... but whatever.
[*]153 AF points is getting ridiculous, that display is going to be insanely crowded, and selecting any one point is going to take a while. Hope they have some way of coping with that complexity, since even 61 points is pretty crowded.
[*]see #2
[*]But is ISO 102,400 usable? There's no point making it a native ISO if it's still awful.
[*]14fps, 15fps... same difference, Canon basically had this covered with the 1Dx (yes I know it can't autofocus at 14fps, but I can't imagine how a camera could AF at 15fps anyway).
[*]Body, schmody...
[*]4K video at 60FPS? Goodbye Canon C3/500 series market. There's no way Nikon makes THAT big of a jump. 30FPS, maybe, but not 60.
[*]Let's be honest, iPhones have had 1080p slomo video for a year now, it's ridiculous that a dSLR that can shoot 10-15fps 18-20MP stills can't handle 1080p/120fps AT LEAST. It'd be great if Nikon could give Canon the kick in the pants that we seem to need.
[/list]
All in all, sounds like a good camera if all the features actually pan out, but if there's 4k/60 video, anyone who buys this can bid their bank account balance farewell, this is not going to be a $6-7k camera.

 

[3kramd5]

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I want the best stills camera Canon is capable of making.

So when does your 5DSR arrive?

 

[privatebydesign]

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I want the best stills camera Canon is capable of making.

So when does your 5DSR arrive?

A couple of days after I have personally played with 1DX MkII RAW files if they are not what I need.

So far I see no reason to go to the 5DSR from my 1DS MkIII's for my personal uses, I truthfully don't need the MP but the post 2012 RT flash functionality would be nice as would the higher iso capabilities better rear screen and a few other bits and pieces. However, I have been a 1 series user for the longest time, things like faster sync speed, AF point linked spot metering, battery life etc are difficult to give up if you are used to them and if the 1DX MkII has 24ish MP then it would suit me and my shooting better than a 5DSR.

As an aside, for low iso shooting the 1DS MkIII was years ahead of its time, secondhand they are the digital camera bargain of the day.

 

[gunship01]

Re: The Nikon D5 has Leaked

Please, CFast cards.

Why? That is so arbitrary.

I don't want one single video enhancing feature that costs a singe cent. I don't want a heaphone socket, I don't want CFast, I don't want 4K heat sinks.

I want the best stills camera Canon is capable of making.

What he said.

I second the motion.

 

[Tugela]

Re: The Nikon D5 has Leaked

Current rumored specifications:

• New 20MP FX sensor (not sure)
  
• 153 autofocus points
  
• New focusing module with larger coverage and 153 autofocus points (confident)
  
• Native high ISO of 102,400 (confident)
  
• 15 fps (not sure)
  
• Body design similar to the D4s (confident)
  
• 4K video 60/30fps (not sure)
  
• Full HD slow motion (not sure)
  
• Announcement expected in early 2016 (confident)

[list type=decimal]
[*]Only 20mp? I'm kinda surprised, seeing as the D3x way back in 2008(?) had 24.5... but whatever.
[*]153 AF points is getting ridiculous, that display is going to be insanely crowded, and selecting any one point is going to take a while. Hope they have some way of coping with that complexity, since even 61 points is pretty crowded.
[*]see #2
[*]But is ISO 102,400 usable? There's no point making it a native ISO if it's still awful.
[*]14fps, 15fps... same difference, Canon basically had this covered with the 1Dx (yes I know it can't autofocus at 14fps, but I can't imagine how a camera could AF at 15fps anyway).
[*]Body, schmody...
[*]4K video at 60FPS? Goodbye Canon C3/500 series market. There's no way Nikon makes THAT big of a jump. 30FPS, maybe, but not 60.
[*]Let's be honest, iPhones have had 1080p slomo video for a year now, it's ridiculous that a dSLR that can shoot 10-15fps 18-20MP stills can't handle 1080p/120fps AT LEAST. It'd be great if Nikon could give Canon the kick in the pants that we seem to need.
[/list]
All in all, sounds like a good camera if all the features actually pan out, but if there's 4k/60 video, anyone who buys this can bid their bank account balance farewell, this is not going to be a $6-7k camera.

The 28 MP sensor in the NX1 is capable of full sensor reads at 240 fps, and that is a 2014 camera, so all of those specs are entirely doable with a 2016 processor onboard. Translate that to a FF frame format with 20 MP and you should get a sensor that will match the specs.

The speculative specs given for the D5 are completely in the range expected for a flagship 2016 camera with up to date technology. I would say that anything less from any manufacturer should be considered sub-par and unacceptable.

 

[Tugela]

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For those that keep saying Canon have to do this or that to play catch up.

Rumoured Nikon D5.
15fps, 100,000 iso native, 20MP.

1DX been out for years.
14 fps, 50,000 iso native, 18MP.

D4s been out for years.
11fps, 25,000 iso native, 16MP.

Do you seriously believe the 1DX MkII specs won't make the D5 look as bad as the D4s, which was actually a refresh because the D4, that was announced 8 months after the 1DX, just wasn't competitive enough?

The D5 is Nikon's answer to the 1DX, it will probably take them another four years to catch up to the 1DX MkII.

IF they were both developing their own sensors, since neither is a leader in silicon development.

In 2015 however Canon are still doing their own thing whereas Nikon will be sourcing their silicon, so I think we can expect the D5 to have better internals than the 1DXM2 this time around.