What’s next from Canon?

SecureGSM

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I don’t need the “pro” R body if that means a 1DX type. What I need is a 5D equivalent, with redundant card slots and at least 8fps. If an 80mp body is what canon chooses to release at this juncture in the schedule, I can only guess that they are consolidating the 5D and 5Ds equivalents into a single camera for the RF Mount. If that is true, then I really hope that they have a solution for those of us that don’t want or need 80mp. Say, 40 or 30mp M-RAW option would be perfect.
40 or 30mp M-RAW option would be perfect, provided there is no an IQ loss associated with shooting in M-RAW.
 
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djack41

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Canon needs to match the A7R4. Sony has set a high bar in terms of resolution, FR and AF. Fingers crossed!
 

unfocused

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...The other part, I can't cite a legitimate source for, which is my point.
Well now I'm confused. You wrote: "...Canon supposedly won't ever sell an M series lens that violates their self-imposed (meaning marketing imposed) limit on the diameter of the lens because the M series is for beginners who want convenience?"

I asked for your source and your reply is you can't cite a source, "which is my point."

What does that mean? You attributed a policy to Canon and now are you saying you just made it up?
 

Roo

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As I noted earlier, Canon Europe only considers the 1D and 5D series "professional" (including the 5Ds). I guess the product divisions are mostly up to the marketing departments of individual Canon subsidiaries.
Marketing would have a different view to CPS. USA and Australian websites may list the M6 Mk II/6D MkII as advanced or professional cameras but neither qualify for CPS. For Australia the CPS qualifying cameras are 1D/5D series or EOS R.
 

Joules

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What does that mean? You attributed a policy to Canon and now are you saying you just made it up?
Are you questioning the fact that all Ef-m lenses have the same diameter? You can confirm that easily by going through their respective specs. It doesn't mean there will never be an Ef-m lens with a larger diameter, but so far it seems Canon have decided they won't release such a lens.
 
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SteveC

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Well now I'm confused. You wrote: "...Canon supposedly won't ever sell an M series lens that violates their self-imposed (meaning marketing imposed) limit on the diameter of the lens because the M series is for beginners who want convenience?"

I asked for your source and your reply is you can't cite a source, "which is my point."

What does that mean? You attributed a policy to Canon and now are you saying you just made it up?
OK, I see the confusion now.

No, people here have made that argument to me, and I'm trying to point up the inconsistency between what they are saying and what Canon is showing.

They never really sourced it either.
 

unfocused

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OK, I see the confusion now.

No, people here have made that argument to me, and I'm trying to point up the inconsistency between what they are saying and what Canon is showing.

They never really sourced it either.
Okay. Well, obviously you should never believe anyone who pretends to know what Canon's plans, strategies and rationales are. There are far too many people on this forum who love to make false claims about Canon's perspective on their own products. The only definition of professional camera that means anything is a camera used by someone who is a professional. Since that can be any camera (including iPhones), arbitrary designations like "professional camera" are really sort of silly.
 

mb66energy

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Because managing 100mb large files for
Screen output and or printing 8” x 12” is
Such a joy. 5dsr was a specialist camera at 50Mb. The new rumoured rig at 80Mb is clearly overkill for run and gun situations.
I bet a 80 Mpix camera will have a 20 Mpix RAW mode where each image pixel has data from its own R, GG, B cells which might give you unprecedented IQ at medium high resolutions and that is one reason for such a camera.
In situations where resolution is required (with the right lens, tripod/enough light) you can do the "Bayer-trick" and you have 80 MPix.
Just with the 20 MPix mode file size would be 14+15+14 =43 bits per pixel resulting in 40...60 MByte files (with lossless compression). But this is half the file size and maybe 1/10th of the computing power (no debayering) so should be much faster compared to 80 MPix full res files.
20 MPix mode - Screen and small prints
80 MPix mode - large advertising posters, BIF for those who search the bird afterwards
 

mb66energy

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I would really be interested to know what the 4-6 lenses will be. Still hoping for a RF 70-135mm f/2 zoom.
70 135 f/2 would be very nice including 10 sessions in a fitness studio (2kg +)
I would be satisfied with a 100mm macro with f/2 resolving my dilemma with two lenses (2.8 macro + 2.0 100mm).
Add an RF 50 f/2 macro and this would maybe my preferred setup if I will ever switch to FF.
 
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SecureGSM

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I bet a 80 Mpix camera will have a 20 Mpix RAW mode where each image pixel has data from its own R, GG, B cells which might give you unprecedented IQ at medium high resolutions and that is one reason for such a camera.
In situations where resolution is required (with the right lens, tripod/enough light) you can do the "Bayer-trick" and you have 80 MPix.
Just with the 20 MPix mode file size would be 14+15+14 =43 bits per pixel resulting in 40...60 MByte files (with lossless compression). But this is half the file size and maybe 1/10th of the computing power (no debayering) so should be much faster compared to 80 MPix full res files.
20 MPix mode - Screen and small prints
80 MPix mode - large advertising posters, BIF for those who search the bird afterwards
That would absolutely make sense provided files are around 50Mb each give or take. I hope this is correct as I am out of my depth with this already.
Canon folks are smarter than us. I hope they get this camera right. I really do.
 

yoms

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Still waiting for the next 5D. Hope it'll retain the GPS and get (partially) the new 1 DX III AF system.

Have Canon find a way to deal with this AF micro-adjustment thingy for good? Fingers crossed.
 

Memdroid

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Why is the EOS R not considered a pro body? Other than the weird ergonomics and lack of joystick, it is exactly like a 5D IV in liveview mode and then some.
 
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Marketing would have a different view to CPS. USA and Australian websites may list the M6 Mk II/6D MkII as advanced or professional cameras but neither qualify for CPS. For Australia the CPS qualifying cameras are 1D/5D series or EOS R.
USA website lists M6II as 'Advanced', there's no 'professional' filter as such, as far as I can see.

On the Australian site, no mirrorless Canon's camera is listed in 'professional' section. R and RP are in the 'enthusiast' category.
 
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SecureGSM

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Why is the EOS R not considered a pro body? Other than the weird ergonomics and lack of joystick, it is exactly like a 5D IV in liveview mode and then some.
because it is not rugged enough to withstand a commercial use:

CPS membership is only available to professionals who own eligible EOS 1D, EOS 5D, L-series lens and Cinema EOS products (view eligible products).
there you have it.
 
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Quarkcharmed

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So hold on here...the M6II is in the SAME bucket as the 1DxII and yet, Canon supposedly won't ever sell an M series lens that violates their self-imposed (meaning marketing imposed) limit on the diameter of the lens because the M series is for beginners who want convenience?
You're questioning me as if it were myself who categorised cameras on the Canon US website. :)