So it doesn't look like there is any competition for the Sony A7S. I think it would make good sense to release the 5D iv next summer or fall with a 24-30mp sensor and with the 1DX's true autofocus capability and shortly afterwards release the 6D mkii with a 12 mp A7S sensor with a 19pt AF and all plastic but semi weather sealed body (like the 70D) capable of recording 4K (presumably like the 5D iv) but crippled (in Canon fashion) to have only 1 SD card and no headphone jack.
What about the 6D mkii? Is the 12mp A7S sensor a possibility?
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Unless they plan on moving the 6D II to target video I doubt it. Lets face it the primary focus of the 12mp A7s is its low light performance and support for external 4k video recording.
The current 6D was focused toward low light event and general purpose use. It is not primary focused toward video. I am interested in a 6D II with 24MP sensor, 5d III auto-focus, same size or slightly smaller, and an articulating screen like 60D/70D.
I would would not mind even more MP if they could keep ISO performance the same. As it stands I am very happy with my 6D.
The current 6D was focused toward low light event and general purpose use. It is not primary focused toward video. I am interested in a 6D II with 24MP sensor, 5d III auto-focus, same size or slightly smaller, and an articulating screen like 60D/70D.
I would would not mind even more MP if they could keep ISO performance the same. As it stands I am very happy with my 6D.
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tcmatthews said:
No way the 6D is getting 5D3 autofocus. Even with the Mark 4 likely going to the 65 point system, the 61 point system is still very, very good. That is, good enough the 6D2 will hurt 5D4 sales unless the 5D4 has some other incredible must-have features. I can't imagine they give it 61 points. Too many shooters who won't care about all the other bells and whistles will not buy a 5D4 because they are getting FF and good AF on a new body with a new sensor. It is hard to argue what other grouping of features could offset this to deter 6D sales in favor of 5D4.
I love the 6D, but is absolutely clear Canon crippled it so as to protect the 5D3. The AF system for one. The single card slot being the other. The rest is just minor features. Serious/Pro work these days, the standard is 2 slots for data integrity. I know that a lot of people make the argument that not too long ago, pro cameras had a single CF and it wasn't the end of the world. But now that 2 cards exist, it is the standard. In the past, it was all you had. Nowadays, if a card goes bad and you can't recover - it's not the limitations of technology at fault, it's your fault for not paying more for a camera with 2 slots.
Hard to say what Canon will do with the 6D. I doubt they will compete with the D750 even up. That would mean giving the 6D a much better AF system, video features and speed. Speed is the concern here. How fast will the 5D4 be? I doubt it will do 10fps. Probably in the 7-8 range at best. How can the 6D compete with the D750 if it doesn't get 7fps also?
I could see it getting the 19 point system with dual pixel and articulating screen - if they gear it for video somewhat. The only way it is getting dual pixel and good video is only if the 5D4 gets 4K. Thus, you can have good FF video with dual pixel and all that - but you're not getting 4K, for that you must pay.
My point being is, the 5D4 needs to have a significant upgrade in a particular area in order for the 6D2 to improve in that area also. Otherwise, the 6D "catches up" and does cut into sales.
I own both a 6D and a 5D3, and I can say with complete certainty I wouldn't own a 5D3 if the 6D had slightly better AF (doesn't even have to be the 61 point system) and 2 card slots. I'd have 2 6D's and an extra $1,000 to buy lens or other gear.
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6D mark II; display, resolution, ...
People's needs are very different.
I would be very, very happy with only one focus sensor (but a good one), 'cause I'm always using the focus-and-recompose-technique (and never had problems by doing so, even with fast lenses).
I'm expecting the 6D mark II to have slightly more megapixels, even if I'd wish it to have much less (not because my computer isn't the fastest, but because of better high-iso-performance).
My guess is that the 6D mk II version will also feature a tilt-able display (if not something more flexible). What Nikon did with the D750, Canon should also be able to deliver - especially in form of a high-res tilt-able display in a FF camera.
Before I upgraded to my 6D, I owned a 600D. I really miss it's display. lol btw. I'm not a lazy one
If you want to shoot from low down on the ground, why getting down and dirty when we have all that tech...
You sir, are probably right. I don't believe that there will ever be a large sensor DSLR from Canon with less than 15 megapixels in the future.
Well, it's the business. We have to deal with it. But everything's getting better and better, so I'm good to go with it anyway
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How much will the 6D mkII cost... any guess? I think it'll move slightly upmarket and sells for ~ 2k € at launch - but not much more - as this would be nonsense imo. Every product line (xxxxD, xxxD, xxD, xD) has it's distinctive price points and they wont change dramatically. At least that's what I am expecting.
K said:
People's needs are very different.
I would be very, very happy with only one focus sensor (but a good one), 'cause I'm always using the focus-and-recompose-technique (and never had problems by doing so, even with fast lenses).
I'm expecting the 6D mark II to have slightly more megapixels, even if I'd wish it to have much less (not because my computer isn't the fastest, but because of better high-iso-performance).
My guess is that the 6D mk II version will also feature a tilt-able display (if not something more flexible). What Nikon did with the D750, Canon should also be able to deliver - especially in form of a high-res tilt-able display in a FF camera.
Before I upgraded to my 6D, I owned a 600D. I really miss it's display. lol btw. I'm not a lazy one
If you want to shoot from low down on the ground, why getting down and dirty when we have all that tech... jeffa4444 said:
You sir, are probably right. I don't believe that there will ever be a large sensor DSLR from Canon with less than 15 megapixels in the future.
Well, it's the business. We have to deal with it. But everything's getting better and better, so I'm good to go with it anyway
Price point
How much will the 6D mkII cost... any guess? I think it'll move slightly upmarket and sells for ~ 2k € at launch - but not much more - as this would be nonsense imo. Every product line (xxxxD, xxxD, xxD, xD) has it's distinctive price points and they wont change dramatically. At least that's what I am expecting.
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I'm in the market for a full frame DSLR. (I have a 7D which I love and will keep but want a FF.)
I will wait for the 6D Mark II to see what type of AF it has. I'd like the 19-point, all cross type, that the 7D has. Agree that it's unrealistic and not necessary to have the full 61-pt. system of the 5D3.
The 6D line is and should be an entry level full frame DSLR. But that is still a specialty camera. It's not meant to be accessible to the masses; that's what the Rebel line is for, or even the XXD line. It's for enthusiasts, like me, who like SLRs. I grew up on the T-60 - a "full frame" SLR that was simple. But in the age of digital where an entry level FF costs $1800 it can't be so stripped down. It should be geared to still photography, SLR enthusiasts. (This is obviously my own personal take.)
So, it should not have DPAF. Not be geared to video (altho it can have video function). It should not have an articulating or touch screen -- too gimicky for the xD line of cameras; save that for the Rebels and XXD line.
My main hope is that the 6D Mark II specs are announced before the 5D3 is taken off shelves to make room for the IV. If the 6D2 still has crippled AF (or worse, has a touch/swivel screen added) I'll probably just suck it up and get a 5D3 but hopefully it will be at a great discount by then.
I don't really care about dual card slots. MPs don't really matter much to me either, they won't release a Mark II without going up a little so it will be in the 20s anyway.
I will wait for the 6D Mark II to see what type of AF it has. I'd like the 19-point, all cross type, that the 7D has. Agree that it's unrealistic and not necessary to have the full 61-pt. system of the 5D3.
The 6D line is and should be an entry level full frame DSLR. But that is still a specialty camera. It's not meant to be accessible to the masses; that's what the Rebel line is for, or even the XXD line. It's for enthusiasts, like me, who like SLRs. I grew up on the T-60 - a "full frame" SLR that was simple. But in the age of digital where an entry level FF costs $1800 it can't be so stripped down. It should be geared to still photography, SLR enthusiasts. (This is obviously my own personal take.)
So, it should not have DPAF. Not be geared to video (altho it can have video function). It should not have an articulating or touch screen -- too gimicky for the xD line of cameras; save that for the Rebels and XXD line.
My main hope is that the 6D Mark II specs are announced before the 5D3 is taken off shelves to make room for the IV. If the 6D2 still has crippled AF (or worse, has a touch/swivel screen added) I'll probably just suck it up and get a 5D3 but hopefully it will be at a great discount by then.
I don't really care about dual card slots. MPs don't really matter much to me either, they won't release a Mark II without going up a little so it will be in the 20s anyway.
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articulating display & fullframe DSLR? Why not?
Hi there,... I wouldn't "downgrade" an articulating display so much to call it a "gimmick". It's a real helper in many sitations. It saves a lot of time and makes you much more efficient, without getting down & dirty for example. And it's better than a WiFi-smartphone-connection as a remote display because it's faster, much quicker and more responsive... and of course an already integrated tilt-able display is a lot more comfortable to use than a remote one.
edit: the only thing I'd call "gimmicky" is a touchscreen i.m.o. so on that one I agree with you.
I really like the new Nikon D750 and the fact that it's a modern fullframe DSLR with a tiltable display. I believe many people appreciate that someone listened to them and made it possible without pricing it too high.
The reason why I'm not switching over to Nikon or someone else is not because I'm a so-called "die-hard" Canon faboy or so... I just have too many Canon lenses and of course I have faith in Canon that they'll strike back some day.
We'll see what's in store for us. I'm okay with everything on the AF-side, as long as the 6D mark II features at least one -3EV high sensitivity AF cross-type one (or even better).
And the price should be about the same as the Nikon D750.
Good24 said:
Hi there,... I wouldn't "downgrade" an articulating display so much to call it a "gimmick". It's a real helper in many sitations. It saves a lot of time and makes you much more efficient, without getting down & dirty for example. And it's better than a WiFi-smartphone-connection as a remote display because it's faster, much quicker and more responsive... and of course an already integrated tilt-able display is a lot more comfortable to use than a remote one.
edit: the only thing I'd call "gimmicky" is a touchscreen i.m.o. so on that one I agree with you.
I really like the new Nikon D750 and the fact that it's a modern fullframe DSLR with a tiltable display. I believe many people appreciate that someone listened to them and made it possible without pricing it too high.
The reason why I'm not switching over to Nikon or someone else is not because I'm a so-called "die-hard" Canon faboy or so... I just have too many Canon lenses and of course I have faith in Canon that they'll strike back some day.
Good24 said:
We'll see what's in store for us. I'm okay with everything on the AF-side, as long as the 6D mark II features at least one -3EV high sensitivity AF cross-type one (or even better).
And the price should be about the same as the Nikon D750.
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